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    Dec 24, 2012 12:49 AM GMT
    What are the qualities of perfect human being? Although there are no such thing as a perfect human being, there are qualities that could help you getting closer to becoming one.

    Have you ever try make gradual changes to your behaviors and thoughts to create a better person than what you are right now? Changes do not just occur from just hard work but it must originate through our passion and desire to change. Changes are hard but it can increase the flexibility of your mind.

    The important qualities are:

    Benevolence
    Awareness of negative emotion
    Willingness to control and restraint oneself of negative thoughts and behaviors, Honesty
    Forgiveness
    Diligent

    I was curious to see if anyone ever made a daily check list with at least similar items to these qualities. You would use this list to check off at the end of each day to rate yourself on how you handle situations in life from 1-10 as 10 being the best of performance for that quality for that day.

    I find this to be hard for a majority of people since most of us do not try to be a better person. We just live life as it is and do not challenge ourselves.
    People have to find things that are important to them to initiate actions.
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    Dec 24, 2012 1:03 AM GMT
    Problem is most people don't care. Rather than correct their own bad behavior, they expect others to adapt to it.

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    Dec 24, 2012 1:04 AM GMT
    wut?

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    Dec 24, 2012 1:06 AM GMT
    xrichx saidProblem is most people don't care. Rather than correct their own bad behavior, they expect others to adapt to it.

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    I would think it is also due to the culture and the values they are raised up with through parenting.
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    Dec 24, 2012 1:07 AM GMT
    Perserverance saidWhat are the qualities of perfect human being?
    Jesus
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    Dec 24, 2012 1:10 AM GMT
    paulflexes said
    Perserverance saidWhat are the qualities of perfect human being?
    Jesus

    Yeah but he wasn't 100% human according to the bible and many religions do not have Jesus as a figure so I can not accept him 100% in this case.
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    Dec 24, 2012 1:29 AM GMT
    Perserverance said...
    Yeah but he wasn't 100% human according to the bible and many religions do not have Jesus as a figure so I can not accept him 100% in this case.


    Blasphemy! You must accept Jesus as your savior, or you will never experience peas, and not a tortured soul.

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    Dec 24, 2012 1:37 AM GMT
    I am a buddhist..................
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    Dec 24, 2012 1:41 AM GMT
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    Dec 24, 2012 1:44 AM GMT
    Perserverance saidI am a buddhist..................


    Was the Buddha fully human before ascending to full enlightenment?
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    Dec 24, 2012 1:50 AM GMT
    GAMRican said
    Perserverance saidI am a buddhist..................


    Was the Buddha fully human before ascending to full enlightenment?


    He was but there are many branches of Buddhism. The common belief is to be a good person but there are many other diferrent beliefs among the branches.
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    Dec 24, 2012 1:56 AM GMT
    Perserverance said
    GAMRican said
    Perserverance saidI am a buddhist..................


    Was the Buddha fully human before ascending to full enlightenment?


    He was but there are many branches of Buddhism. The common belief is to be a good person but there are many other diferrent beliefs among the branches.


    He "was"? Or, He "is"?

    Young grasshopper, the paradox of the Buddah is deeply mystical like RealJock!

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    Dec 24, 2012 2:01 AM GMT
    He was.............that was Kill Bill 2 icon_rolleyes.gif

    There is nothing mystical about RJicon_rolleyes.gif...RJ is just a salad bowl of orientations and races with mostly white chesse.
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    Dec 24, 2012 2:05 AM GMT
    Perserverance saidHe was.............that was Kill Bill 2 icon_rolleyes.gif

    There is nothing mystical about RJicon_rolleyes.gif...RJ is just a salad bowl of orientations and races with mostly white chesse.


    And, processed cereal too.


    The mystery grows moar fascinating!
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    Dec 24, 2012 2:21 AM GMT
    One word- knowledge=power
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    Dec 24, 2012 4:13 AM GMT
    Now, just for the pleasure of brainfuck :

    The desire to become closer to a perfect being, while other are not, is also a desire to raise yourself above others. It's self love, self promotion, seldom a value in any spiritual system.

    The important quality you forgot is : humility, a trademark of all great spiritual peoples in my book, the ones who focus on helping others more than helping themselves ;-)
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    Dec 24, 2012 4:41 AM GMT
    minox saidNow, just for the pleasure of brainfuck :

    The desire to become closer to a perfect being, while other are not, is also a desire to raise yourself above others. It's self love, self promotion, seldom a value in any spiritual system.

    The important quality you forgot is : humility, a trademark of all great spiritual peoples in my book, the ones who focus on helping others more than helping themselves ;-)


    Sorry, but the part I bolded is not necessarily true, if not always untrue.

    In Buddhism, the idea of working towards your own enlightenment has nothing at all to do with "raising yourself above others" and is even further from self promotion or self love.

    While it is lovely to be bodhisattva, helping others off the wheel, it is enough even to go off into a cave and meditate alone that you would no longer be adding to karma of sangsara.

    It matters not to those truly interested in so-called enlightenment whether they get there first or without others. Enlightenment is not a race. There's no competition. That type of thinking isn't involved. It doesn't matter who gets there first or who puts in more effort than another to accompish the same task.

    So your notion of raising "yourself above others" is miscontrued.
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    Dec 24, 2012 4:44 AM GMT
    Perserverance said Changes do not just occur from just hard work but it must originate through our passion and desire to change.


    And yet passions and desires are attachments.
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    Dec 24, 2012 5:08 AM GMT
    theantijock said
    Perserverance said Changes do not just occur from just hard work but it must originate through our passion and desire to change.


    And yet passions and desires are attachments.


    Ahhhh! "Attachments". It is painful, yet freeing to be rid of these.

    Less is more.
    More or less.
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    Dec 24, 2012 5:16 AM GMT
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    minox saidNow, just for the pleasure of brainfuck :

    The desire to become closer to a perfect being, while other are not, is also a desire to raise yourself above others. It's self love, self promotion, seldom a value in any spiritual system.

    The important quality you forgot is : humility, a trademark of all great spiritual peoples in my book, the ones who focus on helping others more than helping themselves ;-)


    Sorry, but the part I bolded is not necessarily true, if not always untrue.

    In Buddhism, the idea of working towards your own enlightenment has nothing at all to do with "raising yourself above others" and is even further from self promotion or self love.

    While it is lovely to be bodhisattva, helping others off the wheel, it is enough even to go off into a cave and meditate alone that you would no longer be adding to karma of sangsara.

    It matters not to those truly interested in so-called enlightenment whether they get there first or without others. Enlightenment is not a race. There's no competition. That type of thinking isn't involved. It doesn't matter who gets there first or who puts in more effort than another to accompish the same task.

    So your notion of raising "yourself above others" is miscontrued.


    My apologies, I was not talking about Buddhism, I was talking about 'trying to become a perfect human being'.

    A bit like christians making efforts so that they can go in paradise, it defeat the purpose, if the motivation is about oneself while the message is about how you interact with others.

    To be absolutely clear, I see nothing wrong in being your own goal.
    But it's interesting to be aware of the tricks that our ego can play with us.
    The desire to be perfect (or virtuous) need to be questioned, just saying.



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    Dec 24, 2012 5:42 AM GMT
    minox saidMy apologies, I was not talking about Buddhism, I was talking about 'trying to become a perfect human being'.

    A bit like christians making efforts so that they can go in paradise, it defeat the purpose, if the motivation is about oneself while the message is about how you interact with others.

    To be absolutely clear, I see nothing wrong in being your own goal.
    But it's interesting to be aware of the tricks that our ego can play with us.
    The desire to be perfect (or virtuous) need to be questioned, just saying.


    Thanx but no need. Might have been my overstep. I could tell immediately from the OP's OP where he was coming from and so that's where my mind went.

    Your point as to the tricks our ego can play is well taken and why I mentioned to the OP that little aspect of passion and desire. Even though something might be a poison within itself, some can be useful as remedy to other poisons which maybe can't be destroyed any other way. Chemotherapy for instance or tough love.

    I get your point of humility and helping others. But I think even the notion of saving one's self, not at the expense of another, of course, can be just as honorable as martyrdom, completely sacrificing yourself to save others, dying for the sins of others, because of this notion of not adding more misery to the world. As we don't seem to have the power to stop the misery, then all we can really do is work towards reducing it. So the person who removes himself from society, a Buddhist or Christian monk, serves that purpose the same as Florence Nightingale, just in different ways.

    It can even be argued that the person who simply takes themself out of the misery equation does more to reduce misery in the world than the person who starts a religion of people trying to reduce misery. How many wars were caused by a monk in a cave? And then back to Buddhism, there's the concept of creating Karma. Even creating good karma is still creating karma. And creating karma keeps the wheel of sangsara turning even through the misery.

    And so it is not necessarily hypocritical, though it may appear so, to preach to the masses while saving the self. Though certainly and you are right, that is easily and probably often has been corrupted. And so you are right to issue warning and to put on guard.
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    Dec 24, 2012 5:48 AM GMT
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    Perserverance said Changes do not just occur from just hard work but it must originate through our passion and desire to change.


    And yet passions and desires are attachments.


    Ahhhh! "Attachments". It is painful, yet freeing to be rid of these.

    Less is more.
    More or less.


    The trick is letting go without falling into the abyss of nihilism.
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    Dec 24, 2012 6:19 AM GMT
    And what's the point of being a better person?
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    Dec 24, 2012 6:21 AM GMT
    How about we examine the qualities of the person, and not worry about religous aspects:

    Honesty
    Compassion

    not only with regards to other people, but with oneself as well.

    Unfounded also poses a good question: Define 'better'


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    Dec 24, 2012 5:44 PM GMT
    theantijock said
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    Ahhhh! "Attachments". It is painful, yet freeing to be rid of these.

    Less is more.
    More or less.


    The trick is letting go without falling into the abyss of nihilism.


    Ahhh! Yes, a pivotal differenting factor. I know of those who seek asceticism and become acidic. Quite miserable.

    No peace exists in their tortured soul. icon_wink.gif

    From my own experience since my existential crisis in 2000, I have been learning to let go of attachment AND to be open to pursuing the highest purpose in the moment.

    I attempt to live in the moment, pursuing highest calling with deliberate seriousness while simultaneously jocular.

    It's not easy, but it's coming easier as I relax into it. For me it's being conscious of my own state of fear/faith. It's all good fun.