Two firefighters shot while putting out fire

  • reptile18

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    Dec 24, 2012 11:07 PM GMT
    http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/12/24/firefighters-responding-to-house-fire-met-with-gunfire/
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    Dec 24, 2012 11:23 PM GMT
    "Several weapons were used at the shooting today, including "at least" an assault rifle, Pickering said.

    "This is an individual who obviously had a lot of problems," he said, adding that there were "probably some mental health issues."

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/24/william-spengler-identified-webster-shooter_n_2360280.html?1356379075&ncid=webmail1

    BAN ASSAULT WEAPONS.
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    Dec 24, 2012 11:49 PM GMT
    More tragic and preventable deaths brought to you by the gun industry and the NRA, the lobbyists for mass murder.

    Thanks for ruining more lives, gun nuts!
    You should be so proud...

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    Dec 24, 2012 11:55 PM GMT
    What Obama said after the Aurora massacre:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/decision2012/2012-presidential-debate-president-obama-and-mitt-romneys-remarks-at-hofstra-university-on-oct-16-running-transcript/2012/10/16/be8bfb9a-17dd-11e2-9855-71f2b202721b_print.html

    We’re a nation that believes in the Second Amendment, and I believe in the Second Amendment. We’ve got a long tradition of hunting and sportsmen and people who want to make sure they can protect themselves....

    [M]y belief is that, (A), we have to enforce the laws we’ve already got, make sure that we’re keeping guns out of the hands of criminals, those who are mentally ill. We’ve done a much better job in terms of background checks, but we’ve got more to do when it comes to enforcement.

    But I also share your belief that weapons that were designed for soldiers in war theaters don’t belong on our streets. And so what I’m trying to do is to get a broader conversation about how do we reduce the violence generally. Part of it is seeing if we can get an assault weapons ban reintroduced. But part of it is also looking at other sources of the violence. Because frankly, in my home town of Chicago, there’s an awful lot of violence and they’re not using AK-47s. They’re using cheap hand guns.

    And so what can we do to intervene, to make sure that young people have opportunity; that our schools are working; that if there’s violence on the streets, that working with faith groups and law enforcement, we can catch it before it gets out of control.

    And so what I want is a -- is a comprehensive strategy. Part of it is seeing if we can get automatic weapons that kill folks in amazing numbers out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill. But part of it is also going deeper and seeing if we can get into these communities and making sure we catch violent impulses before they occur.


    While he does call for an assault weapons ban (for which there is already one in Connecticut and federally in the US) -http://reason.com/archives/2012/12/19/flash-suppressors-do-not-kill-people, he seems considerably less myopic than some of you here...
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    Dec 24, 2012 11:56 PM GMT
    KissTheSky saidMore tragic and preventable deaths brought to you by the gun industry and the NRA, the lobbyists for mass murder.

    Thanks for ruining more lives, gun nuts!
    You should be so proud...



    How is the fault of legal, mentally sane gun owners? It's like blaming all gay people for gay child molesters.
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    Dec 25, 2012 12:11 AM GMT
    Second amendment offers you nutters a musket, that's all. Shut up about handguns and assault weapons.

    You want to end these crazies with guns killing people? Cause the crazy is always going to find a way to mass murder, it's the crazy way after all. We need to get back to locking up and over medicating the insane. Yeah, I know, it's all unfair and anti-American and everything, but you see how the conservative lesbians go batshit when you want some sort of decent gun laws, so instead, lets ban crazy. Lock them up, medicate the hell out of them, allow them to vote for Romney or Reagan whatever, but no matter what, lock them the fuck up and leave them there, because I am tired of crazy insane whack jobs killing innocent people just because today was the day they lost their shit.
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    Dec 25, 2012 1:50 AM GMT
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    KissTheSky saidMore tragic and preventable deaths brought to you by the gun industry and the NRA, the lobbyists for mass murder.

    Thanks for ruining more lives, gun nuts!
    You should be so proud...



    How is the fault of legal, mentally sane gun owners? It's like blaming all gay people for gay child molesters.


    Yes, it's the fault of the gun industry and the NRA, who have bitterly resisted the most commonsense attempts to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and the insane, and they continue to do so. While they cloak themselves in lofty language about their so-called "Second Amendment Rights," this is all about money: Selling more guns to make more money.

    It's the same old story, but I think this time the tide is turning.
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    Dec 25, 2012 1:57 AM GMT
    KissTheSky said
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    KissTheSky saidMore tragic and preventable deaths brought to you by the gun industry and the NRA, the lobbyists for mass murder.

    Thanks for ruining more lives, gun nuts!
    You should be so proud...



    How is the fault of legal, mentally sane gun owners? It's like blaming all gay people for gay child molesters.


    Yes, it's the fault of the gun industry and the NRA, who have bitterly resisted the most commonsense attempts to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and the insane, and they continue to do so. While they cloak themselves in lofty language about their so-called "Second Amendment Rights," this is all about money: Selling more guns to make more money.

    It's the same old story, but I think this time the tide is turning.


    re: "who have bitterly resisted the most commonsense attempts to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and the insane, and they continue to do so"

    Which restrictions are you referring to that they oppose that differentiate the criminals and the insane from the law abiding/sane?
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    Dec 25, 2012 2:27 AM GMT
    Two words:gun shows.
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    Dec 25, 2012 3:32 AM GMT
    q1w2e3 saidTwo words:gun shows.


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/21/private-gun-sales-sandy-hook_n_2347420.html

    Although the NRA has historically opposed such measures, public opinion may be shifting. A poll of NRA members and gun owners, conducted earlier this year by GOP pollster Frank Luntz, found that 74 percent of NRA members and 87 percent of non-NRA gun owners supported mandatory background checks for all gun purchases.


    But - on a practical level, while this might close a loophole, that loophole may be a lot smaller than many people believe:

    http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Gun-show-packed-amid-national-gun-control-4141064.php

    Among the reforms floated by gun control advocates is closing a loophole in many states, including Texas, that allows guns to be sold at shows by private sellers without a background check.

    Several attendees pointed out, however, that most of those who sell weapons at gun shows already hold a federal firearms license, which requires them to make background checks.

    A more effective approach, some suggested, would be to require felons to carry a driver's license that bears a visible mark, allowing gun show owners to easily identify and stop them at the entrance.
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    Dec 25, 2012 5:09 PM GMT
    The NRA has been consistently against closing gun show loopholes, against the wishes of its members:

    http://www.salon.com/2012/07/24/gun_owners_vs_nra_leadership_salpart/

    But then, the people who belong to the NRA are a special type--they certainly are not your routine gun owner:
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/23/gun-owners-vs-the-nra-what-the-polling-shows/
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    The reason I mention gun shows--the guy who shot the firefighters is a felon and yet has acquired an arsenal. Where else could he have gotten those guns?
    http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/24/justice/new-york-firefighters-shooter/
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    Dec 25, 2012 5:25 PM GMT
    q1w2e3 saidThe NRA has been consistently against closing gun show loopholes, against the wishes of its members:

    http://www.salon.com/2012/07/24/gun_owners_vs_nra_leadership_salpart/

    But then, the people who belong to the NRA are a special type--they certainly are not your routine gun owner:
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/23/gun-owners-vs-the-nra-what-the-polling-shows/
    gunlaws-graphic.jpg

    The reason I mention gun shows--the guy who shot the firefighters is a felon and yet has acquired an arsenal. Where else could he have gotten those guns?
    http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/24/justice/new-york-firefighters-shooter/


    Um so if he couldn't possibly have gotten it anywhere other than from a gun show?

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/guns/more/facts.html
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    Dec 25, 2012 6:54 PM GMT
    OK so he could have stolen it. So make it mandatory for guns to be registered and reported when stolen.

    There's at least 30% chance his guns were bought in a gun show.

    http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/html/federal/gun_show.shtml

    I also mentioned gun shows to answer your question:

    riddlerre: "who have bitterly resisted the most commonsense attempts to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and the insane, and they continue to do so"

    Which restrictions are you referring to that they oppose that differentiate the criminals and the insane from the law abiding/sane?
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    Dec 25, 2012 8:07 PM GMT
    What are the restrictions on gun ownership in Hong Kong?

    I do understand the appeal of a Wild West mentality for those living in a highly restrictive society. But for those of us living in the USA, we can see that our current free-for-all policies aren't working.
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    Dec 25, 2012 10:11 PM GMT
    GeorgeLifts saidWhat are the restrictions on gun ownership in Hong Kong?

    http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/hong-kong
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    Dec 25, 2012 10:15 PM GMT
    Aren't ex-cons already banned from owning and shooting a gun? Shouldn't this violent ex-con have still been locked up for the rest of his life for the horrible and extremely violent crime he committed 30 years ago? Or, shouldn't he have been executed 30 years ago? That would have solved this problem quite simply.
    And, isn't starting a fire dangerous enough?
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    Dec 26, 2012 12:01 AM GMT
    Blakes7 said Shouldn't this violent ex-con have still been locked up for the rest of his life for the horrible and extremely violent crime he committed 30 years ago?


    HELL YEAH.