Classical Music & Opera: Why is it considered "gay"?

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    Dec 25, 2012 12:37 AM GMT
    So I'm a huge classical music and opera fan. However, I don't know any gay people who really LOVE classical music or opera. (I don't mean people who say "I love Mozart", but actually have only heard Eine Kleine Nachtmusik once on a compillation CD.) All my classical buddies are straight. Given that experience, why do people seem to think classical music is "gay"? Are there any gay opera/classical music lovers out there?
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    Dec 25, 2012 12:38 AM GMT
    I've never heard that. I've only heard that showtunes are gay.
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    Dec 25, 2012 1:44 AM GMT
    HIstorically, the creation (and appreciation) of everything that is deeply and complexly creative and aesthetic has been and is territory predominated by the gay man.
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    Dec 25, 2012 5:10 AM GMT
    McQueen saidI've never heard that. I've only heard that showtunes are gay.


    Don't forget Techno!

    http://www.gayshatetechno.com/
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    Dec 27, 2012 7:10 AM GMT
    I love classical music icon_biggrin.gif I could talk for a while about music. My favorite composer happens to be Tchaikovsky. I think his musical ideas are a little bit too complex for me to fully understand them now, but I'm making plans to study scores from his compositions. The piece from him that really intrigues me the most is his Serenade for Strings in C major, specially Tema Russo, the last movement of this work.

    I also listen to Schubert, I love his short Mass in G Major from the Kyrie to the Agnus Dei, and let's not forget his Unfinshed Symphony in B Minor and his Great Symphony in C Minor. I love how he makes a whole symphony out of small musical ideas. I wish I can do that some day into the future.

    I find it weird I'm not a big fan of Beethoven. No idea why.

    Don't let me start on J.S Bach. Just love the Baroque era, and I would like to explore the musical syles one day.
    I'm also a Mozart fan. icon_biggrin.gif He was truly a genius. I envy him sometimes (good envy though), what would be music without him? I'm shocked he never wrote a concerto for viola, but he did write a symphony concerto for Violin and Viola.

    I'm not a big fan of contemporary music. I don't see/can't hear the development of musical ideas. icon_cry.gif I think music is all about developing these musical ideas, your emotions and put them on music.

    Finally I think to answer your question, I have never associated classical music with gay people, where do you get this idea from?
    I've always associated it with older generations.
    My friends always ask me, "Don't you listen to some other type of music besides classical?"
    My family, they got used to it already.
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    Dec 27, 2012 7:12 AM GMT
    I love Edita Gruderova...
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    Dec 27, 2012 7:16 AM GMT
    My biggest nerd qualm is everything gets lumped under the term "Classical".

    Bach = Not Classical (late Baroque)
    Monteverdi = Not Classical (post Renaissance/proto Baroque)
    Tchaikovsky/Chopin/Liszt/Schumann etc = Not Classical (Romantic)

    Classical = Haydn/Mozart/Beethoven

    Also people who classify Beethoven as Romantic irk me (though his late work is classifiable as proto Romantic as a general whole he is hallmark Classical).
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    Dec 27, 2012 7:20 AM GMT
    Narciso, you forgot about 20th century classical icon_biggrin.gif

    And yeah Beethoven was NOT one of the Romantics.

    Opera isn't gay it's just FABULOUS !
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    Dec 27, 2012 7:24 AM GMT
    Narciso saidMy biggest nerd qualm is everything gets lumped under the term "Classical".


    Also people who classify Beethoven as Romantic irk me (though his late work is classifiable as proto Romantic as a general whole he is hallmark Classical).


    I think people lump everything into classical as a reference to the music itself, not the eras of music if this makes any sense.
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    Dec 27, 2012 7:24 AM GMT
    Roguewave saidNarciso, you forgot about 20th century classical icon_biggrin.gif

    And yeah Beethoven was NOT one of the Romantics.

    Opera isn't gay it's just FABULOUS !


    ^this.
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    Dec 27, 2012 7:28 AM GMT
    Walter92 said

    I think people lump everything into classical as a reference to the music itself, not the eras of music if this makes any sense.


    That's the problem. Only a small portion is actually Classical capital C. The term is completely misused.

    Whatever. #formercollegemusicmajorproblems
  • Pontifex

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    Dec 27, 2012 7:30 AM GMT
    idk... I started gettting interested in Baroque music when I was about 10. hah. That may have indicated something...


    I don't really know many people who are interested in earlier music. My father is. Most of my music teachers had some interest in it but that was many years ago. I did just run across a recording of me playing Tocatta in d at a music festival when I was 11.
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    Dec 27, 2012 7:32 AM GMT
    Pontifex saididk... I started gettting interested in Baroque music when I was about 10.


    #boner
  • Will123

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    Dec 27, 2012 7:32 AM GMT
    Hey, I got my Bachelor's in Violin Performance and am continuing on with my Masters in Violin Performance. Hit me up if you want to talk music icon_smile.gif
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    Dec 27, 2012 7:38 AM GMT
    Narciso said

    That's the problem. Only a small portion is actually Classical capital C. The term is completely misused.

    Whatever. #formercollegemusicmajorproblems


    I think people refer to the music in general as "classical music" to differentiate it from other types of music. (Pop, Rock, Jazz, Heavy Metal, etc.)
  • Pontifex

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    Dec 27, 2012 7:40 AM GMT
    yes.. But that is kind of like calling Pop, jazz, rock, heavy metal, etc. Modern music.... Nobody says I'm going to go listen to some modern music.
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    Dec 27, 2012 7:45 AM GMT
    Pontifex saidyes.. But that is kind of like calling Pop, jazz, rock, heavy metal, etc. Modern music.... Nobody says I'm going to go listen to some modern music.


    It's Contemporary actually, Modernism in music spans the first 3/4 of the 20th century icon_wink.gif

    #unlikablemusichistorysnob


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    Dec 27, 2012 7:57 AM GMT
    Yep... More into Opera, to be sure... though, I do love classical.... Goreki (contemporary classical).. and Gounod or Chopin (early romantic era classical)...and Debussy (20th century romantic)

    as far as Opera? ANY and ALL... Though, Verdi, Puccini, Rossini & Bizet Rule... imo...
  • FRE0

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    Dec 27, 2012 8:03 AM GMT
    Sidney12 said
    Roguewave saidNarciso, you forgot about 20th century classical icon_biggrin.gif

    And yeah Beethoven was NOT one of the Romantics.

    Opera isn't gay it's just FABULOUS !


    ^this.


    But do remember that the word "fabulous" was derived from the word "fable." Thus, the word "fabulous" means not true. However, I do like opera and classical music.

    I especially like J.S. Bach, Mozart, and Tellaman. I even like some modern composers, including Beethoven.
  • Machina

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    Dec 27, 2012 9:20 AM GMT
    I also wasn't aware that "Classical" music was considered gay. Now if we are talking musicals, showtunes, broadway, etc., then I think that those would definitely fit the "gay" music stereotype.

    I am definitely a lover of "classical" and operatic music. Years ago when I was much younger, probably around 7 or 8, my Dad had decided to take a humanities class from the University of Utah to fill an elective credit. Part of the coursework for this humanities class required him to attend several symphonic music performances and write a review based upon his experience.

    I still remember the first performance as vividly as if it had happened yesterday; it was a program of selections from Gioachino Rossini's "William Tell" opera. When the energetic and very fun "Soldiers Dance" boomed from the stage of Abravanel Hall, I was both enamored and instantly addicted. That night after the performance, I grabbed my Dad's old boombox and tuned it to the local classical music station, falling asleep to Tchaikovsky's Symphony No. 2.

    Throughout my life after that night, "classical" music has become my staple with my favorite pieces coming mostly from Romantic, Modern, and Contemporary period compositions. Wagner, Tchaikovsky, Debussy, Holst, Sibelius, Williams, and Goldsmith are my favorites.
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    Dec 27, 2012 5:49 PM GMT
    I was raised on the classics, my mother playing piano beautifully for us for all my life up until now that she has died and even playing through her Alzheimer's in the nursing home where we installed a piano for her. I miss her music terribly and now that I think of it, I've hardly listened to the classics since she died. I don't believe I realized that until just now. Though I do know that when I tried listening to some pieces she'd play, they'd make me cry.

    This is what I grew up with in my house...

    Yep, just started crying. Fuck. Still can't do it. I tend to hold on. I need more time. More time. I gotta work on that. It's good music. It should be listened to. Maybe I just keep realizing that over again.

    Most of the people I've known who have enjoyed the classics have been str8 so I never thought of it as gay phenomena. I had a str8 roommate (well, I thought he was bi, but a female roommate won his heart over me, that bitch) back in college who freakin loved the stuff, sitting for hours at his stereo indulging it. My str8 brother loves it too. But I suspect I know what the OP's issue is.

    Because I wasn't just raised on my mother's piano playing, but also I was raised on Bugs Bunny so I can see where the OP got confused....



    Yep, it's gay alright!
  • maxi_bon

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    Jan 06, 2013 7:43 AM GMT
    I disagree with "classical music" (yes i agree with the nerd qualm!) being stereotyped as gay. I see that more with musical theatre. I'm a classical musician (for want of a better word) and i wouldn't say it's a particularly gay profession to be in at all.

    Nice to see there are some people here into classical music though icon_biggrin.gif