School Obama daughters attend has 11 armed guards...seeking more

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  Dec 25, 2012 3:22 PM GMT

  http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/23/School-Obama-s-Daughters-Attend-Has-11-Armed-Guards-Not-Counting-Secret-Service
  
  This is what I've been advocating for all schools. If we can find money in our budget to send over seas why not reserve a little to defend our children?
  
  And btw, why is Obama turning to more gun protection if curtailing guns is what we need?

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  Dec 25, 2012 3:56 PM GMT

  I don't think you've put forward your solution to the problem of gun mass murders. We look forward to reading it.
  
  It's no secret that everyone connected with the president these days is surrounded by (excessive?) security. Presidential assassinations and terrorism are the reason.
  
  In any case, this is a complete red herring argument.
  
  

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  Dec 25, 2012 4:36 PM GMT

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  This is what I've been advocating for all schools. If we can find money in our budget to send over seas why not reserve a little to defend our children?
  
  COMPLETELY AGREE. And finding that money will remind us of just how expensive protecting ourselves from gun violence really is. We will soon realize that we don't want to protect the rights of gun show lunatics.
  
  
  And btw, why is Obama turning to more gun protection if curtailing guns is what we need?

  
  
  BECAUSE it's not one or the other.
  
  Few of us calling for stricter gun control, and FROM YOUR RECENT POSTS, YOU SEEM TO BE ONE OF US, is calling to disarm our law enforcement or to replace public security with chanting Buddhist monks.
  
  We should protect our kids by any means necessary and simultaneously halt the flow of assault weapons.
  
  And neither will be easy.

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  Dec 25, 2012 5:06 PM GMT

  It's the president's daughters. If every kid were a target for kidnapping, I would say every kid needs a Secret Service agent.

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  Dec 25, 2012 5:27 PM GMT

  q1w2e3 saidIt's the president's daughters. If every kid were a target for kidnapping, I would say every kid needs a Secret Service agent.

  
  
  You either have gun free zones or you don't. This is hypocrisy. I note as well that the Israelis don't have an issue with this kind of thing either despite the risk to their kids. I wonder what their solution is.

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  Dec 25, 2012 5:38 PM GMT

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  q1w2e3 saidIt's the president's daughters. If every kid were a target for kidnapping, I would say every kid needs a Secret Service agent.

  
  
  You either have gun free zones or you don't. This is hypocrisy. I note as well that the Israelis don't have an issue with this kind of thing either despite the risk to their kids. I wonder what their solution is.

  
  
  You win most ludicrous post of the day.

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  TigerTim saidI don't think you've put forward your solution to the problem of gun mass murders. We look forward to reading it.
  
  It's no secret that everyone connected with the president these days is surrounded by (excessive?) security. Presidential assassinations and terrorism are the reason.
  
  In any case, this is a complete red herring argument.
  
  

  
  
  No, you dummy. That school has had armed security even prior to the President's kids attending. It's a school that many of the "well-to-do" in Washington DC send their kids to - the same libs who are screaming that we need to ban guns and ridiculing the idea of having at least one armed security guard / police officer in each school.
  
  
  

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  Dec 25, 2012 7:37 PM GMT

  I don't know what you guys are talking about, but every school I have been to has always had at least one patrol man outside of the school and one inside. My high school's Police man was named Officer Chuck. Nice guy.

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  Dec 25, 2012 9:21 PM GMT

  This story just goes to show how far and how low the right wing loons will go to try and spin their bullshit. Crazy people with easy access to guns equals tragedy, both need to be stopped and trying to post bullshit is typical of brain dead republican idiocy when factual arguments can not be won.

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  TigerTim saidI don't think you've put forward your solution to the problem of gun mass murders. We look forward to reading it.
  
  It's no secret that everyone connected with the president these days is surrounded by (excessive?) security. Presidential assassinations and terrorism are the reason.
  
  In any case, this is a complete red herring argument.
  
  

  
  
  No, you dummy. That school has had armed security even prior to the President's kids attending. It's a school that many of the "well-to-do" in Washington DC send their kids to - the same libs who are screaming that we need to ban guns and ridiculing the idea of having at least one armed security guard / police officer in each school.

  
  
  No, retard—Go crawl back under your rock. You've misrepresented completely the argument.

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  Dec 25, 2012 10:37 PM GMT

  TigerTim said

  DontQuoteMe said

  TigerTim saidI don't think you've put forward your solution to the problem of gun mass murders. We look forward to reading it.
  
  It's no secret that everyone connected with the president these days is surrounded by (excessive?) security. Presidential assassinations and terrorism are the reason.
  
  In any case, this is a complete red herring argument.
  
  

  
  
  No, you dummy. That school has had armed security even prior to the President's kids attending. It's a school that many of the "well-to-do" in Washington DC send their kids to - the same libs who are screaming that we need to ban guns and ridiculing the idea of having at least one armed security guard / police officer in each school.

  
  
  No, retard—Go crawl back under your rock. You've misrepresented completely the argument.

  
  
  Maybe you should stop calling people retarded. All that seething hatred is a pretty transparent cover for your pseudo-intellectualism .
  http://articles.latimes.com/2012/oct/25/sports/la-sp-sn-special-olympian-ann-coulter-20121024

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  TigerTim saidI don't think you've put forward your solution to the problem of gun mass murders. We look forward to reading it.
  
  It's no secret that everyone connected with the president these days is surrounded by (excessive?) security. Presidential assassinations and terrorism are the reason.
  
  In any case, this is a complete red herring argument.
  
  

  
  
  No, you dummy. That school has had armed security even prior to the President's kids attending. It's a school that many of the "well-to-do" in Washington DC send their kids to - the same libs who are screaming that we need to ban guns and ridiculing the idea of having at least one armed security guard / police officer in each school.
  
  
  

  
  
  Speaking of dummies, are you saying that schools in DC are segregated by political party?
  
  PS on top of being a school full of kids of both Republicans and Democrats, it is a Private school. So DQM, is the security being paid out of private or public funding?

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  Dec 26, 2012 1:19 AM GMT

  Considering who the parents are, you can make a case for why armed guards are stationed at the school—there is a likelihood of their children being targets for kidnapping and extortion. Most schools don't face this kind of situation, so hiring armed guards is pointless. Why hire armed guards when school shootings and situations that call for armed security are a rare occurrence.
  
  And Mocktwinkles, being the "libertarian" that you claim to be, I thought you might want to hear Ron Paul's recent comment:
  
  Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) rejected a call from the National Rifle Association to put armed guards in schools on Monday, saying in a statement on his website that “government security is just another kind of violence.”
  
  “Do we really want to live in a world of police checkpoints, surveillance cameras, metal detectors, X-ray scanners, and warrantless physical searches?” Paul wrote.
  
  "We see this culture in our airports: witness the shabby spectacle of once proud, happy Americans shuffling through long lines while uniformed TSA agents bark orders. This is the world of government provided ‘security,’ a world far too many Americans now seem to accept or even endorse. School shootings, no matter how horrific, do not justify creating an Orwellian surveillance state in America.”
  
  http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/blog-summaries/274485-ron-paul-breaks-with-nra-on-armed-guards-in-schools

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  Dec 26, 2012 3:59 AM GMT

  DontQuoteMe said

  TigerTim saidI don't think you've put forward your solution to the problem of gun mass murders. We look forward to reading it.
  
  It's no secret that everyone connected with the president these days is surrounded by (excessive?) security. Presidential assassinations and terrorism are the reason.
  
  In any case, this is a complete red herring argument.
  
  

  
  
  No, you dummy. That school has had armed security even prior to the President's kids attending. It's a school that many of the "well-to-do" in Washington DC send their kids to - the same libs who are screaming that we need to ban guns and ridiculing the idea of having at least one armed security guard / police officer in each school.
  

  
  
  How do you know that school's politics? You don't know anything about them.

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  Dec 26, 2012 3:59 AM GMT

  "An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind." ~ Ghandi

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  Dec 26, 2012 4:02 AM GMT

  I saw a meme on facebook recently. The gist of it read, "one failed shoe bomb plot and everyone is okay with removing their shoes for airport security checkpoints. Countless mass shootings and we still haven't done anything about it."

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  Dec 26, 2012 5:28 PM GMT

  I think it maybe only relevant if the school had 11 guards before Obama's children attended.
  
  I would rather not discuss Obama's children. They have a right to privacy and I believe they are off limits.
  
  
  The most effective way to curtail gun violence in the short term would to ban clips for all guns over 6 bullets.
  
  Banning assault weapons outright is unlikely to work given the amount out in circulation and anticipated loopholes in any law.
  
  No one needs to have 6 shots without reloading.

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  Dec 28, 2012 12:21 AM GMT

  I wonder what the pro-gun lobby will say when armed guards at all schools fail to prevent more mass shootings and deaths?
  Compulsory firearms training for all teachers, assistants, and janitors/groundsmen, etc.? Arming the older children and drilling them in firearms training and practice? What happens to their childhood, an innocent and carefree time, as a result?
  I fear the madmen`s response will be to come ever more effectively armed and prepared for a shooting, with more powerful weapons; investing them with ever more dark 'glamour', making them ever more morbid media 'events' to be endlessly discussed and worried over.
  This is a recipe for even more deaths, what with accidents and childish nature.
  A society with everyone armed with guns to protect themselves from their fellow citizens sounds like a living nightmare; a highly pessimistic one, full of a disabling and crippling fear, especially for children and the vulnerable members of society.

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  Dec 29, 2012 6:12 PM GMT

  q1w2e3 saidIt's the president's daughters. If every kid were a target for kidnapping, I would say every kid needs a Secret Service agent.

  
  My thought, exactly. Extend this logic further and every American needs a Secret Service agent. If it comes with access to my personal plane, too, I'll take it.
  
  
  

  riddler78 saidYou either have gun free zones or you don't. This is hypocrisy. I note as well that the Israelis don't have an issue with this kind of thing either despite the risk to their kids. I wonder what their solution is.

  
  A friend just posted this on Facebook:
  
  http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/17/15971960-conn-massacre-lessons-from-israel-where-guns-are-a-way-of-life?lite
  
  Conn. massacre: Lessons from Israel, where guns are a way of life
  By Paul Goldman, NBC News
  
  In Israel, schools are protected by armed guards, and everyone is on some sort of an alert for suspicious objects or people. Cars and personal belongings are checked at cafés, movies theaters, public buildings and malls.
  
  ...However, it is very difficult for any Israeli civilian to purchase and own a gun, and all must have a license to do so. The ownership of assault rifles by a private person is forbidden, and pistols are limited to one per person.
  
  In a country with a population of almost 8 million there are only about 300,000 weapons, of which just over half - 170,000 - belong to private individuals. The rest belong to security institutions.
  
  The license process, which must be completed every year, includes mental and physical health checkups as well as a firing-range exercise. Most importantly, it is a crime with harsh penalty to carry a weapon in Israel without a license.
  
  Security guards must meet regulations before they are granted the license to carry a gun; they must be at least 27 years old, unless they served in the army, in which case they can apply at the age of 21. They also need to be a resident of Israel for at least three years and sign a waiver that gives the health ministry and the police the right to check their health and criminal records.
  

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