Sen Chuck Hagel(Rep) on Palin

  • Koaa2

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    Sep 18, 2008 11:23 AM GMT
    Sen. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska on Wednesday became the nation’s most prominent Republican officeholder to publicly question whether Sarah Palin has the experience to serve as president.

    "She doesn't have any foreign policy credentials," Hagel said in an interview with the Omaha World-Herald. "You get a passport for the first time in your life last year? I mean, I don't know what you can say. You can't say anything."

    Palin was elected governor of Alaska in 2006 and before that was the mayor of a small town.

    Democrats have raised questions about Palin since Sen. John McCain picked her as his vice presidential running mate. Most national Republican officeholders have rallied to Palin’s candidacy.

    Palin has cited the proximity of Alaska to Russia as evidence of her international experience.

    Hagel scoffed at that notion.

    "I think they ought to be just honest about it and stop the nonsense about, 'I look out my window and I see Russia and so therefore I know something about Russia,' " he said. "That kind of thing is insulting to the American people."

    A senior member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Hagel has been an outspoken critic of the Bush administration’s handling of the Iraq war and had considered making his own run for president. He traveled with Democratic nominee Barack Obama to the Middle East in July.
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    Sep 18, 2008 11:35 AM GMT
    This should mean something. But yesterday, CuriousJockAz revealed to me that a Republican will hold a totally nonsensical view even in the face to demonstrable empirical evidence. (and I say in all sincerity that I was stunned by it yesterday) So what hope is there to present any facts and expect a rational judgment from Repubs.?
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    Sep 18, 2008 2:30 PM GMT
    I kind of have a "thing" for Chuck Hagel. Over the years, I've meandered between extreme liberal and moderate, but I've had tremendous respect for the man ever since, as a candidate first running for office, he spoke to my high school AP Gov't class.

    I don't agree with everything he says, but I think even the most dyed-in-the-wool Democrat has to respect the honesty and principle this man exudes.

    Oh, also...I kind of think he's cute. Does that totally invalidate my opinion of his politics? icon_smile.gif
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    Sep 18, 2008 2:37 PM GMT
    If this election was all about "Foreign Policy" experience, McCain would clean Obama's clock. It isn't though. It could be argued quite logically that Obama has no more "foreign policy" experience than Palin. One major difference, however, is that Obama is running for President, Palin is not. Granted, she will be a heartbeat away from the Presidency and, should anything happen to McCain she will be our President. What then? Well, she'll need to do the very same thing that Obama is going to have to do from DAY ONE, and that is surround herself with the very best and brightest where foreign policy is concerned. I have no doubt that she would do just fine. Personally, I don't trust Obama -- and neither do many Americans. For some reason, I trust Palin. I like her style...her down-to-earth "Washington outsider" mentality, and I'm not so sure that this sort of refreshing approach to the Presidency would be such a bad thing. Just my opinion.
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    Sep 18, 2008 2:42 PM GMT
    It could also be argued that Hagel didn't mention Obama in his critique of palin.
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    Sep 18, 2008 2:43 PM GMT
    WHATever! If someone is going to argue that Sarah Palin doesn't have any foreign policy credentials then it doesn't make any sense to basically ignore the fact that neither does Obama. It's just another example of people holding Palin up to a higher standard than they do Obama -- and HE is the one running for President.
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    Sep 18, 2008 2:47 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said It could be argued quite logically that Obama has no more "foreign policy" experience than Palin.

    That would be a losing/illogical argument ..

    From another post ..
    I think he understands the world and has been interested in world affairs since his first degree in political science with a specialization in international relations. His experience and diplomatic demeanor would help us improve our relations with the rest of the world:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obama#CommitteesObama held assignments on the Senate Committees for Foreign Relations, Environment and Public Works and Veterans' Affairs through December 2006. In January 2007, he left the Environment and Public Works committee and took additional assignments with Health, Education, Labor and Pensions and Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs.He also became Chairman of the Senate's subcommittee on European Affairs. As a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Obama has made official trips to Eastern Europe, the Middle East, Central Asia and Africa.

    Also
    http://www.obamapedia.org/page/Does+Barack+Obama+have+enough+experience+to+be+president%3FObama service on the Foreign Relations committee has placed him in an unique position in that he is the Chair of the Subcommittee on European Relations and serves on the Subcommittees on African Affairs; East Asia and Pacific Affairs; and International Development and Foreign Assistance, Economic Affairs, and International Environmental Protection. This cross-section of subcommittees places Obama in a unique position of having knowledge about Asian, African and European issues. The only other member of the Foreign Relations committee who is running for President is Democrat Joseph Biden who is Chairman of the full Foreign Relations Committee yet unlike Obama he does not serve on any of the other foreign policy committees and his experience is limited to foreign policy issues covered by the Foreign Relations Committee.

    Also world polls indicate that he would be well received by other countries.
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/09/09/2360240.htm?section=worldIn 17 of the 22 nations, people expect relations between the US and the rest of the world to improve if Senator Obama wins.


    In the international polls obama got a 49% rating and McCain just got 12%
    http://publicdiplomacy.foreignpolicyblogs.com/2008/09/10/bbc-poll-shows-publics-in-22-nations-prefer-obama-to-mccain/

    http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/home_page/533.php?nid=&id=&pnt=533&lb=The countries most optimistic that an Obama presidency would improve relations are America's NATO allies - Canada (69%), France (62%), Germany (61%), United Kingdom (54%), Italy (64%) - as well as Australia (62%) and the African countries Kenya (87%) and Nigeria (71%).
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    Sep 18, 2008 2:50 PM GMT
    Barack, in addtion to A&F's post

    Occidental College - Two years.
    Columbia University - B.A. political science with a specialization in international relations.
    Harvard - Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna Cum Laude

    but palin can see Russia from her house. oh, and she got a passport for the first time last year. still, if warring nations ever need a bake sale...
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    Sep 18, 2008 2:56 PM GMT
    Some of my fellow Republicans have accused me of being a RINO (Republican In Name Only) for supporting equality for same sex couples and gays and lesbians serving openly in the military but; Chuck Hagel is a Democrat in Republican garb.

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    Sep 18, 2008 3:14 PM GMT
    So Curious you trust palin even though it has been shown that she is untrustworthy. most recent example, using her personal email account to do government business in an effort to hide her misdoings. another recent example she went to Iraq wait let us rephrase she went to the border. another Alaska has 1/5 of domestic energy production, actually no it doesnt.

    and do you really want another regular joe president because that is exactly what palin will be. McCain will die within his first term, and last I checked a regular joe president hasnt done shit for us for the last 8 years but fuck this country up, hopefully it is not beyond repair.
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    Sep 18, 2008 3:16 PM GMT
    ActiveAndFit said
    CuriousJockAZ said It could be argued quite logically that Obama has no more "foreign policy" experience than Palin.

    That would be a losing/illogical argument ..

    From another post ..
    I think he understands the world and has been interested in world affairs since his first degree in political science with a specialization in international relations. His experience and diplomatic demeanor would help us improve our relations with the rest of the world:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obama#CommitteesObama held assignments on the Senate Committees for Foreign Relations, Environment and Public Works and Veterans' Affairs through December 2006. In January 2007, he left the Environment and Public Works committee and took additional assignments with Health, Education, Labor and Pensions and Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs.He also became Chairman of the Senate's subcommittee on European Affairs. As a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Obama has made official trips to Eastern Europe, the Middle East, Central Asia and Africa.

    Also
    http://www.obamapedia.org/page/Does+Barack+Obama+have+enough+experience+to+be+president%3FObama service on the Foreign Relations committee has placed him in an unique position in that he is the Chair of the Subcommittee on European Relations and serves on the Subcommittees on African Affairs; East Asia and Pacific Affairs; and International Development and Foreign Assistance, Economic Affairs, and International Environmental Protection. This cross-section of subcommittees places Obama in a unique position of having knowledge about Asian, African and European issues. The only other member of the Foreign Relations committee who is running for President is Democrat Joseph Biden who is Chairman of the full Foreign Relations Committee yet unlike Obama he does not serve on any of the other foreign policy committees and his experience is limited to foreign policy issues covered by the Foreign Relations Committee.

    Also world polls indicate that he would be well received by other countries.
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/09/09/2360240.htm?section=worldIn 17 of the 22 nations, people expect relations between the US and the rest of the world to improve if Senator Obama wins.


    In the international polls obama got a 49% rating and McCain just got 12%
    http://publicdiplomacy.foreignpolicyblogs.com/2008/09/10/bbc-poll-shows-publics-in-22-nations-prefer-obama-to-mccain/

    http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/home_page/533.php?nid=&id=&pnt=533&lb=The countries most optimistic that an Obama presidency would improve relations are America's NATO allies - Canada (69%), France (62%), Germany (61%), United Kingdom (54%), Italy (64%) - as well as Australia (62%) and the African countries Kenya (87%) and Nigeria (71%).



    I LOVE when facts trump opinion. Arguements bases in opinion are weak as they usually are not true and have nothing solid to stand on. Good job ActiveAndFit!
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    Sep 18, 2008 3:51 PM GMT
    I just read the article posted online. Was taken aback when I read that since she can see Russia from her window or backyard somehows qualifies her!


    LAUGHABLE!
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    Sep 18, 2008 3:58 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said


    Personally, I don't trust Obama -- and neither do many Americans. For some reason, I trust Palin. I like her style...her down-to-earth "Washington outsider" mentality, and I'm not so sure that this sort of refreshing approach to the Presidency would be such a bad thing. Just my opinion.



    For some reason I don't trust the Palin woman, and neither do many Americans... For some reason, I trust Obama, I like his style, story, "Washington outsider" mentality, with the security of knowing there are competent people beside him such as Biden...

    Just my opinion....
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    Sep 18, 2008 4:07 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidI like her style...her down-to-earth "Washington outsider" mentality, and I'm not so sure that this sort of refreshing approach to the Presidency would be such a bad thing. Just my opinion.

    First off, what is wrong with understanding government? Why is working in Washington such a bad thing? Do you want a surgeon who has never been in an operating room?

    And didnt we just try the "Washington outsider" thing with Bush? Why didnt he turn out stupendous, if just being from outside Washington all that was needed?

    I am totally perplexed by this attitude that somehow being an inexperienced rube automatically makes you some kind of genius. I guess rubes of a feather flock together.

    I am really getting to the point that the coasts should secede and leave the corn country to fuck itself
  • auryn

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    Sep 18, 2008 4:53 PM GMT
    Ok, folks, though it's great fun to misquote her, let's not forget that she's stated that there is an island in Alaska where you can stand and see Russia. She can't see Russia from her house, probably because she spends too much time in her tanning bed to overcome depression caused by Seasonal Affective Disorder. icon_wink.gif

    You may now continue brow beating Blunder Woman (who can't talk with the media at large so it makes me wonder how she'd discuss anything with foreign heads of state or members of Congress that she can't fire. I mean really, she's even pissed off folks in her own party in her sparcely populated state, and she thinks that she's ready for the big leagues).
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    Sep 18, 2008 5:25 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidIf this election was all about "Foreign Policy" experience, McCain would clean Obama's clock. It isn't though. It could be argued quite logically that Obama has no more "foreign policy" experience than Palin. One major difference, however, is that Obama is running for President, Palin is not. Granted, she will be a heartbeat away from the Presidency and, should anything happen to McCain she will be our President. What then? Well, she'll need to do the very same thing that Obama is going to have to do from DAY ONE, and that is surround herself with the very best and brightest where foreign policy is concerned. I have no doubt that she would do just fine. Personally, I don't trust Obama -- and neither do many Americans. For some reason, I trust Palin. I like her style...her down-to-earth "Washington outsider" mentality, and I'm not so sure that this sort of refreshing approach to the Presidency would be such a bad thing. Just my opinion.



    I wonder if the trust issue, is because he is Black! The elephant in the room. Not to many Black people or minorities at the Repug convention! People are not going to say it, but this is one of the big issues in this race, like it or not.
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    Sep 18, 2008 5:39 PM GMT
    i just want her to stop lying and tell the truth and stop acting like she doesnt owe the american people any information regarding who she is, and sometimes that information is more than what she packages up, puts a bow on and feeds the blind sheep with a glass of the red kool-aid.... even if she doesnt think it is important to her or think that it is any of our buisness, some of it is very important to millions of americans,,, but she wont be allowed by those that now have their hand up her ass,,,, she has become another puppet in a long line of republican dummies.. so sad and dissapointing coming from someone who was once a true outside (doubtful that was even true, but until she speaks and answers questions from someone not in love with her, we will never truly know)


    george mccain and sarah cheney are liars, even when confronted with the truth. they still feel the need to lie, no wonder joy from the view got testy, george mccain sat right next to her and lied right to her face.. pathetic.



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    Sep 18, 2008 5:43 PM GMT
    hobronto saidI kind of have a "thing" for Chuck Hagel. Over the years, I've meandered between extreme liberal and moderate, but I've had tremendous respect for the man ever since, as a candidate first running for office, he spoke to my high school AP Gov't class.

    I don't agree with everything he says, but I think even the most dyed-in-the-wool Democrat has to respect the honesty and principle this man exudes.

    Oh, also...I kind of think he's cute. Does that totally invalidate my opinion of his politics? icon_smile.gif


    lol.. i think joe biden has a huge cock


    and a majority of americans respect an honest politician no matter what political party they are a part of, just like most americans respected the former honorabal maverick,, that is until he too became a puppet for the GOP and corporate america.. and learned to lie through his teeth, and sometimes it would appear that he even believes his lies.
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    Sep 18, 2008 6:49 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said Well, she'll need to do the very same thing that Obama is going to have to do from DAY ONE, and that is surround herself with the very best and brightest where foreign policy is concerned. I have no doubt that she would do just fine. Personally, I don't trust Obama -- and neither do many Americans. For some reason, I trust Palin. I like her style...her down-to-earth "Washington outsider" mentality, and I'm not so sure that this sort of refreshing approach to the Presidency would be such a bad thing. Just my opinion.

    I assume you are aware that this is exactly what people said about George Bush. Of course, you may well regard Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Albert Gonzales, Heckuva Job Brownie, and numerous other ejected or discredited administration officials (Alphonso Jackson, Kevin Martin, Scooter Libby, etc.) and people who edited scientific reports for political reasons as the "best and brightest." Never mind that even the president's former press secretary would disagree with you.

    And what is "down-to-earth" about a woman who illegally spends $50,000 to gussy up her mayoral digs, conducts documented vendettas against her opponents and lies repeatedly? Is this really your idea of "down-to-earth"?

    Are you paying any attention to facts at all? Seriously, you're reciting an 8-year-old mantra that has brought the nation to its absolute nadir.
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    Sep 18, 2008 6:51 PM GMT
    "nadir"

    On behalf of the republicans here, "I just knew you were an ayrab sympathizer".
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    Sep 18, 2008 7:00 PM GMT
    NNJfitandbi said And I could do her/her husband, too!"



    Rofl. I was thinking the same thing while I watched McCain blather on and on during his "town meeting/speech today"

    Sorry to bring this off subject but...what exactly makes that.....a town hall meeting btw?

    To me it is a stop on the campaign trail.
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    "what exactly makes that.....a town hall meeting btw?"

    If it's a republican town hall meeting, most of the audience arrives in short busses.
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    Sep 18, 2008 7:23 PM GMT
    Palin isn't in line to become the next PTA Chairperson; She has to be just as qualified to become President as any other. I don't get those people who think that they have to vote for a label (Repub or Demo). I really don't. It's ignorant. McCain says the economy is essentially strong. Obama asked him what economy he was talking about and McCain back pedaled.

    For you guys who think McCain is the best candidate, I can only believe that you have no interest in what's right for America. If you'd take a minute to look through all the crap that has come out of his mouth and every position he has taken, you'd scratch your head. He admittedly knows very little about economics yet he says our economy is essentially strong. He has changed his positions on so many issues since he started running that he simply appears at the most, senile, or at the least, unsure of himself.

    You wanna see what real leadership is? Watch the Vice Presidential Debate October 2nd. Biden will show America what intelligence is.

    I'm no big fan of Obama. I wanted Clinton in his spot, but I don't always get what I want. I have to work with what I've got. After weighing it all, I can't trust a pseudo Republican to fix the shit hole Bush has created. McCain's all about war and aggression and right now, we need diplomacy to bring the rest of the world over to our corner.

    Being gay, the last thing I want is someone to accept or reject me based solely on a label. Maybe we should stop electing politicians solely on their labels!
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    Sep 18, 2008 7:30 PM GMT
    obscenewish said

    And what is "down-to-earth" about a woman who illegally spends $50,000 to gussy up her mayoral digs, conducts documented vendettas against her opponents and lies repeatedly? Is this really your idea of "down-to-earth"?

    Are you paying any attention to facts at all? Seriously, you're reciting an 8-year-old mantra that has brought the nation to its absolute nadir.



    Yes, I am paying attention to the "facts", NOT the liberal left-generated and exaggerated version of them.
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    Sep 18, 2008 7:34 PM GMT
    pdxpally said

    You wanna see what real leadership is? Watch the Vice Presidential Debate October 2nd. Biden will show America what intelligence is.



    Yes, the debates should be enlightening indeed. Perhaps not quite the way many of you think, but we shall see.