I'd give my life for my country!

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    Sep 18, 2008 1:31 PM GMT
    But not one dime more in taxes!


    What's wrong with that picture?
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    Sep 18, 2008 2:25 PM GMT
    I thought it was, the other guy can give his life for the country .... etc
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    Sep 18, 2008 2:30 PM GMT
    I don't see anything wrong with that picture


    Dumb-ass people have realized that their lives are absolutely worthless
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    Sep 18, 2008 2:30 PM GMT
    There's guys on this site who'd give their life for their country. It's shouted from the rooftops of the VFW.
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    Sep 18, 2008 3:13 PM GMT
    WELL EXCUSE ME! I'll have you know that I served my county and damm near gave my life for it. If I had the chance I would do it again. icon_mad.gif So don't sit around say our lives are worthless because there not. Think long and hard about the guys that gave all so everyone can enjoy everything we have right or wrong in this country today.
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    Sep 18, 2008 3:14 PM GMT
    Think long and hard about my question.
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    Sep 18, 2008 3:26 PM GMT
    kscott6671 saidWELL EXCUSE ME! I'll have you know that I served my county and damm near gave my life for it.
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    Sep 18, 2008 3:29 PM GMT
    Well check out this story, it was just posted today

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080918/ap_on_re_us/death_by_grenade


    This is a real soldier who gave his life for his country and comrades!

    R.I.P. Rafael Peralta

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    Sep 18, 2008 3:47 PM GMT
    AMT87 saidDumb-ass people have realized that their lives are absolutely worthless
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    I think the question is related to certain republicans etc that "support the war" don't want to pay more taxes to get us out of debt it has caused. Under Obama's tax plan most people would get a tax break, but the very wealthy would pay more. This has the very wealthy stomping mad.

    I would add why is it that the military contractors should make so much more pay-wise than our service members who are putting their lives on the line?
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    Sep 18, 2008 3:51 PM GMT
    R.I.P. Rafael Peralta

    What a brave guy.

    It's a shame, that like a lot of the brave guys how die or suffer injuries fighting for their country, that Rafael is denied even the curtesy of the correct recognition of his bravery.

    Someone should grab Bush and his war-mongering cronies and have them spend some time on the front-line, lets see how brave they are.

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    Sep 18, 2008 4:07 PM GMT
    kscott6671 saidWELL EXCUSE ME! I'll have you know that I served my county and damm near gave my life for it. If I had the chance I would do it again. icon_mad.gif So don't sit around say our lives are worthless because there not. Think long and hard about the guys that gave all so everyone can enjoy everything we have right or wrong in this country today.


    Thank you so much for your service. I for one am extremely greatful for the men and women who risked their lives for our country and our safety. I applaud all of your efforts. You are all heroes in my book!
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    Sep 18, 2008 4:11 PM GMT
    I think the statement has it all wrong, being a vet, I can say, I would gladly risk my life for my country, and I think I have and would in the future, but I would never just give it up.

    I also must say, grudgingly, taxes are necessary, it's the degree of taxation that I often have conflict with. I pay it anyway, I don't need to go to prison to meet guys.

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    Sep 18, 2008 4:16 PM GMT
    To those who do not want to pay taxes (or higher taxes) I always say, That's fine. You opt out. When your house catches fire, make sure you grab your check book to pay for the fire truck when it arrives. My understanding is it costs $10000+ every time a fire truck makes a run...so save up! And if your kid breaks his leg, don't forget to have $5000 laying around to pay for the ambulance ride that will guarantee immediate service vs you driving him there and waiting while he wails in pain for 4 hrs in the er.
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    Sep 18, 2008 5:30 PM GMT
    Why would some people die more readily in a war with a foreign country than they would pay more taxes in the country for whom they're fighting? The priority of it is all wrong. I will defend to the death your well being and protection as a _______________ citizen, but I am not willing to contribute financially to your well being. Take my life but not my currency.
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    Sep 18, 2008 8:51 PM GMT
    I'd give my life for a Klondike bar. Doo dee Doo dah.
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    Sep 18, 2008 10:08 PM GMT
    "I'd give my life for my country!"

    What a black and white and relatively simple statement.

    Why would you give your life for your country?

    Is your live worth giving or could it be better used doing something else (e.g. becoming a teacher; researching a cure for cancer and/or pathogens; mentoring a child, etc.).

    Is you information correct? Do you trust your government enough to give up your life?

    Is there such a thing as a just war? How do you know it is just?

    What about propaganda from the government? “Mission Accomplished!” Ring a bell?

    First of all, I am grateful for all veterans! One of my favorite quotes is "If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you are reading this in English, thank a veteran." I would give my life for not only my country, but for the freedom of others in extreme cases (e.g. fighting Nazi Germany, and the Empire of Japan, fighting to set the slaves free--yes I know the Civil War was not about that issue directly... so don't lecture me on that war. lol). I kind of think saying, "I'd die for my country," has a nationalistic component to it. Is one American’s life worth more than one Iraqis' life? If not than why aren't more people concerned about the death toll of Iraqis (civilians and soldiers) right now?

    Blind patriotism and nationalism scare the shit out of me. Life is life, and mine is not more valuable than a German's or an Ethiopian’s life.

    So, would I fight for my country and die? Possibly if the war was just and had no hidden agendas-- freeing those in Nazi concentration camps must have been fulfilling (and scaring too I can imagine)

    But in the Iraq war we have uncertain information/data/evidence- was Hussein connected to 9/11 and/or Al Qaida (sp?)? Is the Middle East better off now with him gone? Or will an power hungry Iran sweep across the boarder to occupy a relatively weak Iraq when we leave?

    So the last war I can say for sure I would have fought in is probably WWII (if I were alive of course)... I'd need more evidence before I’d say otherwise for every war/military conflict since then.

    As for taxes... we need them. The government need to tax people. What we need is better ways of controlling spending. Instead of spending billions and billions of dollars blowing up two countries and piecing them back together we need to concentrate on education, education, social programs, responsible environmental regulations, research, education, research, and other stuff I am forgetting since they are not as important to me as the issues I just listed.

    That is my opinion on this thread... I could have written much more and given more evidence, but I have to go!
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    Sep 19, 2008 7:23 AM GMT
    i have a question, and (for a change) i'm not being a smart ass:

    i was talking to a gay republican the other day... not something i care to repeat again... anyway, this is the gist of the convo. how would you carry it through?

    me: "you keep saying we've lost 4,000 soldiers. the iraqis have lost 400,000 civilians. their lives don't matter?"

    him: "no."

    me: "no?"

    him: "no, they're the enemy."

    me: "so, you're saying american lives are more valuable than iraqi lives?"

    him: "yes. we're american. our lives are more valuable."

    me: "if american lives are more valuable, then why can't some of the money being spent to blow up iraq and then rebuild it be brought back here to fix our own infrastructure?"

    him: "because we have to stop enemies before they come here."

    me: "so then, it's better to blow up iraq's roads than to fix our own?"

    him: "yes, if need be."

    me: "if american lives are worth so much, why are you willing to spend billions of dollars on blowing up iraqi roads but not millions of dollars on fixing the bridge in minneapolis that collapsed and crushed 13 american people to death?"

    him: got up and walked away...
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    Sep 26, 2008 6:07 AM GMT
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    WOW!!!

    Republican and he's gay! What a scary and sad mentality icon_sad.gif