SF Team Disqualified For Having Too Many Str8 Players

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    Sep 18, 2008 2:54 PM GMT
    A friend of mine, who plays on the D2 softball team, shared this article with me after their team was recently disqualified from the Gay World Series for having too many straight players on their team.

    Thought I would share it and see what other's thought about the rules. Do yu think it's a fair ruling? Do you think it's discriminatory (legally or otherwise)? What about the verbal verification of a person's orientation? I hope it will spark some discussion.


    There's some major drama going down in the world of gay softball!

    Top team D2, which hails from San Francisco, found itself disqualified from the Gay World Series after a "review" found that six of their players were straight, a violation of officials rules stating a gay team can only have two straight members.
    The team's furious, of course, and plan on appealing the disqualification.

    Vincent Suquay, Commissioner of San Francisco's Gay Softball League, says he has major problems with how the North American Gay Amateur Athletic Alliance handled the matter:
    My understanding is [that players] were read a definition of what a homosexual person was and what a gay person was. How they responded was used to determine whether they were gay or straight. Not one person when they responded ever actually said they were straight. These were not new players; they had played in six Gay World Series already. As long as I’ve been involved with NAGAA, nobody before has been disqualified.
    Suquay also takes issue with the hetero-capping, which he calls discriminatory. It's also a bit offensive, if you ask us, as if straights are inherently better players, an advantage, than the gays. But, then again, it is the gay world series, an idea that in and of itself strikes us as queer. We're more of the cheer leading type. Go gays!


  • upsguy68

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    Sep 18, 2008 5:06 PM GMT
    What is the definition of homosexual? What is the definition of gay? I thought because I was one, I was also the other!icon_surprised.gif
    Since there is a rule about the number of straights on a team, it should
    be abided by. But it sounds like someone is reading into the rules to try and disqualify this team.
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    Sep 18, 2008 5:20 PM GMT
    upsguy68 saidWhat is the definition of homosexual? What is the definition of gay? I thought because I was one, I was also the other!icon_surprised.gif
    Since there is a rule about the number of straights on a team, it should
    be abided by. But it sounds like someone is reading into the rules to try and disqualify this team.



    Think about it. Homosexual means (in a warped way) : Attracted to the same sex.

    What happens beyond mere attraction that would need the defining term gay?
  • CAtoFL

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    Sep 18, 2008 5:36 PM GMT
    I played in the Gay World Series in 1987 and this issue has been around at least as long as I've been around NAGAA. To me, it's an issue of sportsmanship. Some teams 'stack' their roster with guys they know are great players regardless of sexual orientation. They pick them up from straight leagues to satisfy a 'win at all costs' mentality. Sometimes, they haven't even played with their gay teammates prior to the Series. Personally, I think it defeats the spirit of the league. Especially if the straight guys were just brought in as ringers for the Series and didn't play as a regular part of D2's roster during the season.

    But this particular issue isn't about whether capping each team to two straight players is right or wrong. It's about violating league rules. Every team coach knows what those rules are and, if the coach still chooses to violate them, then he or she has to suck it up and accept the consequences when he or she is caught breaking them.

    The D2 coach probably thought this would slide right through - especially since NAGAA's enforcement of it has been woefully lax. Frankly, whether I agree with NAGAA's rule or not, I applaud them for finally having the nads to DO something about enforcing it. The D2 team absolutely should be disqualified under current existing rules. And if they feel it's unfair, they should work now to change those rules.

    Let's face it, there are endless softball 'world series' around the U.S. every summer. Straight guys aren't limited to where they can play softball. And, if you're going to promote one series as 'gay' it makes some sense to try to impose some limit (but not exclusion).

    Also, the gay leagues around the country are established to promote community camaraderie. After games during regular league play, many of the teams attend parties or BBQs at their sponsor's establishments. In my experience, the straight players rarely go to those 'gay' events and if half your team doesn't show up, you're cheating the sponsors. There's also the point that many players choose 'gay' sports as an alternative to the bar life. So, the more gay guys the merrier. I met my best gay friends (and first BF) playing gay softball.

    Overall, a big "RAH!" to NAGAA for finally enforcing one of their ancient rules and a big "BOO!" to D2 for trying to skirt it. It's supposed to all be for fun and - just a guess - I think there were probably enough gay guys in San Francisco for D2 to fill out a team while still limiting the straight part of their roster to two players.
  • TallGWMvballe...

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    Sep 18, 2008 5:40 PM GMT
    We had that issue in NAGVA (the North American Gay Volleyball Association) some years before I started playing but resolved it by changing the rules to include anyone.

    I understand the issue is more about player skill level and "stacking" teams.

    My opinion is to allow all to participate in our games to help promote more understanding and fellowship with the no gay community.
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    Sep 18, 2008 8:13 PM GMT
    This seems to be basically an issue of:
    1) What are the rules.
    2) What are definitions of the terms.
    3) What qualifies those definitions.

    The article is actually vague in that it points out inconsistencies without saying specifically what they are and how they did or didn't define and/or meet the criteria. Verging on sensationalizing without thorough research or investigation of the facts.

    I would understand that the majority of the players on a team would have to be gay in order to prevent the team from being weighted in the direction of the charter of the team. If you have a gay baseball team and there are 20 members of the team and 6 are straight, then at one time, you could have 66% of the outfield 'straight.' That's just one way of looking at it, but again, what are the rules and are you following them.