Out In Africa

  • metta

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    Dec 27, 2012 2:24 AM GMT
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/24/opinion/keller-out-in-africa.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1356469676-GdXtjnTM2ztzB64MjiCDTg&
  • EJ994

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    Dec 27, 2012 3:29 AM GMT
    Hmmmm touchy subject. I try not to generalize the entire continent under one certain view as I've met and read of many Africans who are either indifferent or support gay rights. I think the commotion in Nigeria, Uganda and also Liberia has given the other 53 nations a bad rep. Not to say they aren't still opposed to gay rights as well, but it isn't like there is some massive anti-gay wave engulfing all nations on the continent. In some, such as South Africa and even Kenya, homosexuals seem to be slowly becoming more accepted by the society and/or government.

    Regardless of all of this I imagine being out or even closeted in Africa isn't a walk in the park. Traditional, conservative societies have a long ways to go towards accepting homosexuals, or even acknowledging they exist and aren't a figment of our imaginations. One thing I do hope doesn't change as African nations become more open is the notion that two men or women holding hands is gay. I've seen it in a lot of African nations as a show of friendship, and yeah I think it's cute, so hopefully it stays unrelated to being gay.
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    Dec 27, 2012 3:29 AM GMT
    Yet in the United States, where public opinion is more mature — not universally so, as many bullied victims can testify, but more socially hospitable to gays than in South Africa — our law and our politics at the highest level verge on cowardice.

    I can't keep reading beyond this.

    Unlike South Africa and a number of other countries we have a branch of our legislature here in the US that exists partly outside the realm of popular opinion. The Senate rewards small conservative states with as much power and influence as highly populated progressive states.
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    Dec 27, 2012 4:33 AM GMT
    According to the evolution theory, mankind evolved out of Africa.

    Apparently some of the powerful few haven't evolved yet.

    *awaits RJ flamewar of the century*
  • O5vx

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    Dec 27, 2012 5:09 AM GMT
    In my opinion, things will take quite a while to change in Africa. The government has the money to continue to run propaganda agendas in the midea and through societial means. They have a while to go, but they will get there.
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    Dec 27, 2012 10:28 AM GMT

    A lot of the anti gay sentiment across Africa is simply a smokescreen to hide the endemic corruption and mismanagement of national budgets and funds.

    It's very to get people whipped up about gays, immigrants or terrorists to deflect from dictatorships or slipping civil liberties and freedom of the press.
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    Dec 27, 2012 10:52 AM GMT
    O5vx saidIn my opinion, things will take quite a while to change in Africa. The government has the money to continue to run propaganda agendas in the midea and through societial means. They have a while to go, but they will get there.


    Just bear in mind that Africa is a continent & not a country therefore we do not not share a 'government' . It just is what it is -You find very consevative states in the US just like you find countries in Africa that segragate & aren't tolerant of different assesments.

    I'm from South Africa & this country actually has one of the most advanced democractic systems of governance, the South African constitution was the first in the world to outlaw discrimination based on sexual orientation and the first in Africa, to legalise same-sex marriage.,..So in terms of LGBT rights we're light years ahead of other African countries.

    P.S I say this again Africa is NOT a country ! I had an American friend ask me once If I know this friend of his from Uganda & I replied in jest going ' No, I'm from South Africa, not the big brother house'

    So read a book, travel & be well informed..
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    Dec 27, 2012 1:00 PM GMT
    ThatSouthAfricanDude said
    O5vx saidIn my opinion, things will take quite a while to change in Africa. The government has the money to continue to run propaganda agendas in the midea and through societial means. They have a while to go, but they will get there.


    Just bear in mind that Africa is a continent & not a country therefore we do not not share a 'government' . It just is what it is -You find very consevative states in the US just like you find countries in Africa that segragate & aren't tolerant of different assesments.

    I'm from South Africa & this country actually has one of the most advanced democractic systems of governance, the South African constitution was the first in the world to outlaw discrimination based on sexual orientation and the first in Africa, to legalise same-sex marriage.,..So in terms of LGBT rights we're light years ahead of other African countries.

    P.S I say this again Africa is NOT a country ! I had an American friend ask me once If I know this friend of his from Uganda & I replied in jest going ' No, I'm from South Africa, not the big brother house'

    So read a book, travel & be well informed..

    You're asking for way too much.
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    Dec 27, 2012 2:37 PM GMT
    nevz said
    ThatSouthAfricanDude said
    O5vx saidIn my opinion, things will take quite a while to change in Africa. The government has the money to continue to run propaganda agendas in the midea and through societial means. They have a while to go, but they will get there.


    Just bear in mind that Africa is a continent & not a country therefore we do not not share a 'government' . It just is what it is -You find very consevative states in the US just like you find countries in Africa that segragate & aren't tolerant of different assesments.

    I'm from South Africa & this country actually has one of the most advanced democractic systems of governance, the South African constitution was the first in the world to outlaw discrimination based on sexual orientation and the first in Africa, to legalise same-sex marriage.,..So in terms of LGBT rights we're light years ahead of other African countries.

    P.S I say this again Africa is NOT a country ! I had an American friend ask me once If I know this friend of his from Uganda & I replied in jest going ' No, I'm from South Africa, not the big brother house'

    So read a book, travel & be well informed..

    You're asking for way too much.



    Haha ! Clearly ! People must learn to argue with facts, ignorance will make a fool out you..