The "Start"

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    Dec 27, 2012 10:58 AM GMT
    This is not a evolution vs creation debate. What I'm wondering (and I know I'll get some stupid answers) is where it all begin?

    Where did what made up the big bang come from, if something made it happen, where did it come from and so fourth and back and back to the "Start" of it all.

    Obviously the law of conservation of mass is wrong.

    Anyone have and ideas or hypothesis?
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    Dec 27, 2012 11:49 AM GMT
    But were did everything come form that was part of the "big bang"?
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    Dec 27, 2012 12:50 PM GMT
    It came from outer space.
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    Dec 27, 2012 1:04 PM GMT
    We came from Adam & Eve as far as I know.
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    Dec 27, 2012 1:11 PM GMT
    ^^ Where did outer space come from?

    ^ Where did adam and eve come from?
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    Dec 27, 2012 4:41 PM GMT
    http://bit.ly/W76Puq
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    Dec 28, 2012 12:20 AM GMT
    And what is the last natural number ?
    There is none,yet, even if we can manipulate infinity in math, it's a headache to try to 'imagine' it.

    It's not because we can't make a mental picture of something that it's not true.


    For universe, you can imagine it had 'no start'.
    As in the theory where it expand for a time before to collapse on itself and explode again in infinite cycle. But this is generally not considered to be our case.

    You also get that weird quantum physic thing : void is not void.
    Void is just a maelstrom of particles and anti particles that come to existence and annihilate each other continuously, so there is something called the energy of void, (like in Star Gate SG1), and it seems the energy becomes infinite if you consider an infinity small space.

    So you can imagine an rare event where the particles for some unknown reason don't annihilate completely, and that would give you a big bang.

    Of course, it's pure speculation, we don't have way to 'test' those things, and don't even have enough information coming for the time it happen to analyse them, so we are reduced to conjecture.
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    Dec 28, 2012 12:26 AM GMT
    TheCelticFury said^^ Where did outer space come from?

    ^ Where did adam and eve come from?


    Who invented English ?
    Who was the first man to speak English ?

    You can't assume that because something exist, it means it had identifiable start. Some process are continuous.

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    Dec 28, 2012 12:26 AM GMT
    TheCelticFury saidThis is not a evolution vs creation debate.

    clarification for OP: Whoever believes in creation gtfo.
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    Dec 28, 2012 12:29 AM GMT
    Conceptualizing a start seems to indicate linear thinking.
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    Dec 28, 2012 12:34 AM GMT
    theantijock saidConceptualizing a start seems to indicate linear thinking.


    Lol, I knew you would come here ;-)

    I think you are right, the concept things need a start and an end are just extension of common experience, but in no way a logical necessity.
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    Dec 28, 2012 1:10 AM GMT
    minox said
    theantijock saidConceptualizing a start seems to indicate linear thinking.


    Lol, I knew you would come here ;-)

    I think you are right, the concept things need a start and an end are just extension of common experience, but in no way a logical necessity.


    And I knew you would get my humor on the topic. I suspect very few do. You might wanna have that checked. Could just be a medical issue that can be corrected if you act on it early.

    Though, as you seem to know, it was my very first thought on reading the thread title so how surprising to not be surprised by finding you here & going off into quantum. Because that really is where to find the answer to this question.

    Life is odd. And now we have the science to prove it. How fun is that!