Bear? Or just fat?

  • JuneauMike

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    Dec 28, 2012 12:50 AM GMT
    Just wondering here. I have always thought of a "Bear" as being beefy, as in big and powerful. But many of the guys who describe themselves as bears just look fat or even morbidly obese to me. Is there an "official" definition of what a bear is? Or is it all just in the persons mind....
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    Dec 28, 2012 12:53 AM GMT
    JuneauMike saidJust wondering here. I have always thought of a "Bear" as being beefy, as in big and powerful. But many of the guys who describe themselves as bears just look fat or even morbidly obese to me. Is there an "official" definition of what a bear is? Or is it all just in the persons mind....


    Well... For me bear is a strong, muscled, and hairy guy, usually middle-aged who likes to dominate. That's how I see it.
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    Dec 28, 2012 1:03 AM GMT
    In my understanding "bear" refers to all large men, but their is a subsection of muscle bears. They are mountains of solid rock meant to be climbed. I like to climb.
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    Dec 28, 2012 1:26 AM GMT
    From a biological standpoint, there are different kinds of bears, eg. grizzly bear, black bear, polar bear, piggy bear, Bobo bear, baby bear, gummy bear...
  • Bunjamon

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    Dec 28, 2012 1:40 AM GMT
    HottJoe saidYou're thinking of muscle bears. I saw a documentary on bears. Fat bears are the ones to avoid. They absolutely loathe muscle bears--and twinks for that matter--because they feel threatened by them. Whatever you do, don't feed them, because once is never enough, and they will go berserk.icon_eek.gif


    Wow, aren't you a charmer.

    People come in all shapes and sizes. Labels can work for an against people who fit into a certain category. Where do you draw a line for a guy who is super muscly but has some extra weight and isn't ashamed of it? Different strokes for different folks, I say.

    Here's a field guide to bears!

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    Dec 28, 2012 1:40 AM GMT
    HottJoe saidYou're thinking of muscle bears. I saw a documentary on bears. Fat bears are the ones to avoid. They absolutely loathe muscle bears--and twinks for that matter--because they feel threatened by them.[...]icon_eek.gif


    In my experience, fat bears are amongst the friendliest guys to anyone.
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    Dec 28, 2012 1:42 AM GMT
    Bear is an overgeneralizing term for a needlessly over-subcategorized (wolf, otter, badger, bull, etc.) gay subculture. The only overlapping requirement for all subcategories is a hairy body and not being an emaciated twink (but if a twink is hairy enough he'll get included in the subcategories, often with the cub suffix).
  • Timbales

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    Dec 28, 2012 1:44 AM GMT
    All those gay labels are arbitrary and I find it best to avoid people who strongly identify themselves by them.
  • TheBizMan

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    Dec 28, 2012 1:47 AM GMT
    Most "bears" I see are packin way to many extra pounds for my liking. Now this wouldn't be a problem if that weight were muscle but, ya know... it's not.icon_neutral.gif
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    Dec 28, 2012 1:50 AM GMT
    My crystal ball sees this thread devolving into a anti-fat tirade.
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    Dec 28, 2012 1:54 AM GMT
    Most bears - not to mention anyone self-described online as "beefy" - are fat. I think the term was coined to sexualize an often unsexy but unfairly maligned and disregarded part of gay culture that makes that group feel more included and accepted. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. When I was fat I didn't consider myself a "bear," nor any other label, in my mind I didn't let it define me, but if others did, it was understandable and quite all right given the innate nature of most people to categorize.
  • HottJoe

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    Dec 28, 2012 1:58 AM GMT
    Bunjamon said
    HottJoe saidYou're thinking of muscle bears. I saw a documentary on bears. Fat bears are the ones to avoid. They absolutely loathe muscle bears--and twinks for that matter--because they feel threatened by them. Whatever you do, don't feed them, because once is never enough, and they will go berserk.icon_eek.gif


    Wow, aren't you a charmer.

    People come in all shapes and sizes. Labels can work for an against people who fit into a certain category. Where do you draw a line for a guy who is super muscly but has some extra weight and isn't ashamed of it? Different strokes for different folks, I say.

    Here's a field guide to bears!

    bears.jpg


    I was trying, and apparently failing, at humor... I thought my post was clearly not meant to be taken seriously. icon_confused.gif I have nothing against anyone for their body type. Sorry for offending you.
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    Dec 28, 2012 2:09 AM GMT
    In the beginning bears were just normal guys, that didn't fit into other groups like Leather, Fems, "muscle queens" or others.

    Having to be bigger and hairier came later and (since they are gay men, who all need labels (and someone to ostracize)), they started to build subgroups and became cliquish and 'exclusive', like the groups that shunned them earlier.
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    Dec 28, 2012 2:11 AM GMT
    Well, call them what you want but I totally get what you're saying. I see it a LOT in the bay area. I think guys who have beer bellies look for some identity and they've latched onto "bear". Some that I've seen referring to themselves as bears aren't even hairy! When I think of bear I think of solid built bigger guy with a hairy body, I don't think of someone that has a big gut and looks like they've never seen exercise. I know we're all different and we all have different body types and I'm cool with that. I've chatted with these guys when I've been out and enjoyed them but in my book, they're not bears.
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    Dec 28, 2012 2:12 AM GMT
    JuneauMike saidJust wondering here. I have always thought of a "Bear" as being beefy, as in big and powerful. But many of the guys who describe themselves as bears just look fat or even morbidly obese to me. Is there an "official" definition of what a bear is? Or is it all just in the persons mind....


    You can be fat, big and powerful.
    You can be ripped and muscular, yet not really strong, as in able to move real heavy things.
    'Just look fat' is offensive. It not because someone doesn't turns you on that you look down on him.

    And yes, it's all in the person mind, and a 'one size fit all' definition for many body types.

    Being muscular, is also 'one size fit all', and also just in the person mind : take the same gay with or without a thick layer of fat : ripped, he will be called muscular, even with the exact same amount of muscle mass.
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    Dec 28, 2012 2:16 AM GMT
    dudewithabeard saidIn my understanding "bear" refers to all large men, but their is a subsection of muscle bears. They are mountains of solid rock meant to be climbed. I like to climb.



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    Dec 28, 2012 2:27 AM GMT
    And the new species of bears exist in human population.

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    Not trying to offend any one.
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    Dec 28, 2012 2:33 AM GMT
    I think it's polite to indulge people who spend no energy on a particular happenstance feature of their being (hairiness, beardedness, bellyness) that allows them to create a classification system that celebrates their attributes as though they were earned through hard work.

    Now excuse me while I work on my tan...
  • Bunjamon

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    Dec 28, 2012 2:36 AM GMT
    HottJoe said


    I was trying, and apparently failing, at humor... I thought my post was clearly not meant to be taken seriously. icon_confused.gif I have nothing against anyone for their body type. Sorry for offending you.


    Sorry, I missed that. I was trying to be good natured about it, too, I didn't mean my "charmer" comment to sound *too* sassy.

    In any case, this thread needs more of these:

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    (bear hugs, get it?:winkicon_smile.gif
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    Dec 28, 2012 2:39 AM GMT
    BuddyinNYC said
    HottJoe saidYou're thinking of muscle bears. I saw a documentary on bears. Fat bears are the ones to avoid. They absolutely loathe muscle bears--and twinks for that matter--because they feel threatened by them.[...]icon_eek.gif


    In my experience, fat bears are amongst the friendliest guys to anyone.


    Kinda true, they seem to be compare to the other skinny group.....Is there another term like bear for the skinny gay too? And don't say twink because twinks are not animals.
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    Dec 28, 2012 2:45 AM GMT
    HottJoe saidYou're thinking of muscle bears. I saw a documentary on bears. Fat bears are the ones to avoid. They absolutely loathe muscle bears--and twinks for that matter--because they feel threatened by them. Whatever you do, don't feed them, because once is never enough, and they will go berserk.icon_eek.gif


    Wow. That's unbelievably judgmental. Here's an idea...let's all mature out of the high school mentality that is the gay animal kingdom. That way we can stop classifying everyone into these moronic caste system monikers.
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    Dec 28, 2012 2:53 AM GMT
    redsoxfan791 said
    HottJoe saidYou're thinking of muscle bears. I saw a documentary on bears. Fat bears are the ones to avoid. They absolutely loathe muscle bears--and twinks for that matter--because they feel threatened by them. Whatever you do, don't feed them, because once is never enough, and they will go berserk.icon_eek.gif


    Wow. That's unbelievably judgmental. Here's an idea...let's all mature out of the high school mentality that is the gay animal kingdom. That way we can stop classifying everyone into these moronic caste system monikers.


    You missed the correction Hottjoe made : he apologized already for a failed attempts at sarcastic humor.
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    Dec 28, 2012 2:56 AM GMT
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    redsoxfan791 said
    HottJoe saidYou're thinking of muscle bears. I saw a documentary on bears. Fat bears are the ones to avoid. They absolutely loathe muscle bears--and twinks for that matter--because they feel threatened by them. Whatever you do, don't feed them, because once is never enough, and they will go berserk.icon_eek.gif


    Wow. That's unbelievably judgmental. Here's an idea...let's all mature out of the high school mentality that is the gay animal kingdom. That way we can stop classifying everyone into these moronic caste system monikers.


    You missed the correction Hottjoe made : he apologized already for a failed attempts at sarcastic humor.


    I think hotjoe just want people to have more preys for hunting season....which is very mean!
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    Dec 28, 2012 3:01 AM GMT
    Muscle bears are nice.
  • Trauts

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    Dec 28, 2012 3:05 AM GMT
    I always thought bears just meant anyone who's big and hairy. The only difference is the muscle ones are more desired and the fat ones, well...