Letter from Chinese Laborer Pleading for Help Found in Halloween Decorations

  • HottJoe

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    Dec 28, 2012 10:25 PM GMT
    Saw this on Yahoo. Reminds me of a letter-in-a-bottle message. It's so sad that China violates human rights to such an extent.icon_sad.gif

    http://shine.yahoo.com/work-money/letter-chinese-laborer-pleading-help-found-halloween-decorations-202400773.html
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    Dec 29, 2012 2:00 AM GMT
    HottJoe saidSaw this on Yahoo. Reminds me of a letter-in-a-bottle message. It's so sad that China violates human rights to such an extent.icon_sad.gif

    http://shine.yahoo.com/work-money/letter-chinese-laborer-pleading-help-found-halloween-decorations-202400773.html


    It reminds me of an article from The Onion, where a little girl working in a sweatshop stitched "Help Me" on a piece of clothing. Really sad when reality mirrors what's found on The Onion.
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    Dec 29, 2012 2:33 AM GMT
    HottJoe saidSaw this on Yahoo. Reminds me of a letter-in-a-bottle message. It's so sad that China violates human rights to such an extent.icon_sad.gif

    http://shine.yahoo.com/work-money/letter-chinese-laborer-pleading-help-found-halloween-decorations-202400773.html


    Labor camps in China *are* horrible. They are however the exception rather than the rule. Many prisoners are political ones though I think there are fewer now than there used to be. What was even worse was the incentive there used to be when prisoners' organs were donated/sold to others.

    Should the solution be not to buy made in China? I suppose that would be one solution to pressuring the Chinese government to stop the practice - but is it likely these camps would stop? I wouldn't bet on it.

    In the meantime, the increased economic liberty has allowed hundreds of millions of Chinese to come out from absolute poverty. There's been nothing like it in our life times. Economic liberty has also resulted in increasing political liberties. While there is an ebb and flow to this (China has very recently attempted to crack down on the Internet), the cat is already out of the bag. "You can't stop the signal" (most recently, China also broadcasted V is for Vendetta on state television much to the shock of many politicos). Let's also understand that China didn't deliberately seek out to give economic liberty to people here - they were forced to. Without doing so was risking revolution - you can only tell people so long that the western bourgeoisie will drown in their moral excesses while your own people struggle to find food to eat. Despite being a highly closed society, there were always rumors of what existed outside of China.

    So yes, not buying made in China might make you feel better and your wallet lighter, but it's also hurting the average Zhou in China. It also doesn't reflect more generally the massive political and economic changes that have happened in China over the last few decades.
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    Dec 29, 2012 2:42 AM GMT
    yourname2000 saidWhere's Riddler? No doubt he'd explain that the "Chinese human rights violation" here is these selfish workers intruding on a happy paying customer's enjoyment of Halloween.

    This is his line of work --he outsources for companies in NA to cheap --aka slave--labour in China (and Malaysia! --share the pain!) He probably figures that's a fair wage and they should STFU. icon_rolleyes.gif "Let the market decide."

    We created this problem by ignoring all sides of it. A big part is us buying this crap and creating a market for these abuses. And then supporting the companies that participate. I suspect that every nickel a person saves at Walmart sucks a dime out of their local community...and leads to these slave labour camps, and environmental issues, and host of other problems.


    And that's why I consistently point out that you have little understanding of economics or even China. I've never said people should STFU - rather it's you and others who claim I'm the one who should STFU because this pancake's so flat there is no "other side". Malaysia doesn't have labor camps and if you'd actually been there, or maybe even travelled the world a bit more, you might actually recognize the differences geographically, politically and economically. Markets require free will and the ability to offer services willingly and freely. Labor camps are nothing of the sort - but this isn't indicative of the vast majority of trade that happens from China or Asia.

    You seem to think that closing up borders will make Canada or the US wealthier - the Chinese thought that too once - and it was the rationale for the Great Wall itself - and historians point out that this halt in trade, believing that China was the intellectual center for the world and as a result no longer needed the world was what set China back hundreds of years technologically and as a society. So yeah, keep on trucking and suspect all you want.
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    Dec 29, 2012 4:17 AM GMT
    Apparently I foresaw this in the "your last fortune cookie" thread

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