Right Wing Narcotics

  • GQjock

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    Sep 19, 2008 4:41 PM GMT
    Okay...
    Now I see it
    I've been banging my head against the wall trying to figure out
    why people vote for Republicans against their own interests

    **** Gay Republicans?
    **** Blue Collar workers?
    **** Minorities?
    **** Women?

    When the republican party has done EVERYTHING in their power
    to legislate against them

    But now with the meltdown of our economy it's all become clear to me
    it's got to be drugs icon_wink.gif

    Comon you guys ... tell me
    they send you some K in those fliers they send out don't they?

    Because how else can you vote for a party that
    tries to change the US Constitution to take away the rights of Gay people
    for a party that has been responsible for soaring deficits
    in the Ronnie administration
    in the Bush I administration and ESPECIALLY in the Bush II administration
    The party directly responsible for the deregulation fiasco we're suffering thru right now ... yes Phil Gramm?
    for ENRON
    for Terri Schiavo (May she rest in peace)
    for placing the term Swiftboating into our American lexicon

    because if it is...
    like that woman said in When Harry Met Sally "I'll have what she's having"
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    Sep 19, 2008 9:27 PM GMT
    I love that term, "voting Republican is voting against your interests." It says so much.
    It says, if you vote for a Democrat it means you want something in return, it says your vote is bought.

    I expect my government to establish justice, provide for the common defense, promote (not provide) the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to us and our posterity. (That sound familiar?) That's what I expect from the government.

    I don't want to provide Unions the power to extort from their employers and so, we the consumers. I don't want to provide the welfare of those who will not work. I want the government to maintain the infrastructure to provide a good business climate without actually having a hand in running the businesses (That's how this current financial mess started)

    The great thing about being a Republican is, we have the satisfaction of knowing that our vote isn't bought and paid for.

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    Sep 19, 2008 9:39 PM GMT
    What is the world are you talking about, john? This is a democracy, not a monarchy. You have the freedom to choose the candidate who you feel will represent you, not just pick a candidate because he says you're not patriotic if don't.

    Wow, such blind loyalty is ASTOUNDING. It's people like you that let the Holocaust happen. Hitler didn't commit genocide. The PEOPLE, with their blind loyalty, commited genocide. People, probably against EVERYTHING they believed in, murdered thousands of people for loyalty. How terrible is that?


    Wake up and please switch your brain back into the "on" position.
  • EricLA

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    Sep 19, 2008 9:40 PM GMT
    There's interesting research being done by George Lakoff, a sociologist. He came out with a small almost pamphlet-sized book last presidential election called "Don't Think of an Elephant" which talked about how voters think. He explains that people either respond to the more paternalistic approach (Repubs) or maternalistic (Dem) approach. For instance, Blue Collar workers, you'd think, would vote more with the Dems because of how Dems protect workers' rights. But, no, they tend to vote for strong defense, etc. Essentially voting against their self-interests. Lakoff cites other examples, and especially credits the Repubs with how they message things like "death tax." Of course, who'd be for a death tax? That sounds bad. Of course, most middle- and lower-class people aren't affected that much, but you need their support so you call a thing that would benefit them something bad.

    Let's face it, the Dems are called progressive for a reason. But they're horrible at making their issues resonate and connect with the public. It's an interesting book and a quick read.
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    Sep 19, 2008 9:48 PM GMT
    John43620 saidI love that term, "voting Republican is voting against your interests." It says so much.
    It says, if you vote for a Democrat it means you want something in return, it says your vote is bought.

    I expect my government to establish justice, provide for the common defense, promote (not provide) the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to us and our posterity. (That sound familiar?) That's what I expect from the government.

    I don't want to provide Unions the power to extort from their employers and so, we the consumers. I don't want to provide the welfare of those who will not work. I want the government to maintain the infrastructure to provide a good business climate without actually having a hand in running the businesses (That's how this current financial mess started)

    The great thing about being a Republican is, we have the satisfaction of knowing that our vote isn't bought and paid for.



    That's the biggest load of BS you have attempted yet, and that's saying a lot. First, one of the founding principles of America is that everyone will vote in their interests. It's called "enlightened self interest," and it includes much more than a simplistic notion of "buying" a vote. Confusing self interest with selling out is a cynical view that I am not surprised to see from a supporter of $600 election year "incentives."

    Second, the notion that the Republicans can establish justice, provide for the common defense, and promote the general welfare is accurate if you ignore the actions of the Justice Department, the mismanagement of the Department of Defense, and the general decline in real incomes over recent years.

    As for the suggestion that the government's "hand in running business" was responsible for the current mess, it was in fact the deregulation of investment banks and the hands-off approach or regulators that led to the over-leveraging that has cost trillions of dollars to investors.

    It's pretty pitiful to see that your argument for voting Republican is that somehow by not voting in your own self interest you are somehow not bought and paid for. In fact, it's not a rational argument at all. The only way it makes any sense is if, believing that Republicans have the best interest on mind, you vote against them. Because if you vote for them, believing that their policies are best, then by your own logic, you are bought and sold.
  • GQjock

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    Sep 19, 2008 10:33 PM GMT
    Yes John Voting republican IS voting against your interests and until you stop
    schtupping men in the ass from time to time you always will be
    because you my man are a pariah to the republican ideal
    gun toting Jesus-loving Fetus-saving Americans don't want your kind didn't they tell you that?
    Or are the signs too hard for you to read?

    You want the government to provide justice?
    Then why the hell is Scooter Libby walking around after being indicted?
    Why are Karl Rove Harriet Miers and the rest of the Bush Henchmen allowed to walk away from a Congressional subpoena
    ... a tactic that Caribou Barbie is sure learin' fast , huh?

    and the common defense?
    Need I remind you about a certain counterterrorism task force that was dispensed with when a certain someone came into office
    a task force that was dealing with and watching for people like Mr Bin Laden?
    ... Memos fromn Aug 6th? Ring a bell?

    Promote general welfare? Like cutting FEMA to the bones and putting a political hack in charge of it? ... A man who bred horses as the closest thing to public service on his resume????

    Secure the blessings of Liberty?
    From an administration that suspended Habeus Corpus??
    and Prosperity??? Are you kidding me man?
    Have you been reading the papers John
    They're throwing dollars out the windows on Wall Street
    Memo to John .... we taxpayers are on the hook for TRILLIONS in losses
    Thank the deregulators .... from Ronnie on down the line
    Phil ENRON Gramm the McCain Chief Economic advisor?

    The last 20 years of republican rule is crashing down on our heads but we don't have any helmets on unfortunately



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    Sep 19, 2008 10:59 PM GMT
    My dad owns a few homes out of the country... and my mom has some real estate too. No, I don't know exactly how many houses we have but that doesn't make me Republican. Because what we support are FUNDAMENTALLY different.

    Supporting a group of people who will never acknowledge you for something you cannot change cannot be healthy for anybody.




    I wish I had a helmet... sigh* I'm going to be paying extra taxes until I die, right?



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  • SkyMiles

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    Sep 19, 2008 11:00 PM GMT
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    Sep 19, 2008 11:41 PM GMT
    The quintessential recent book on why so many people vote against their own best interests is Thomas Frank's "What's the Matter with Kansas?"

    http://tcfrank.com/books/whats-the-matter-with-kansas-2/

    He has a new book out, "The Wrecking Crew: How Conservatives Rule." I haven't read it.
  • Koaa2

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    Sep 20, 2008 12:33 AM GMT
    All the Repugs can think of is God, Gays & Guns. Abortion is right up there to, along with discriminationg against minorities.
    Needless to say none of these help them with jobs, healthcare, pensions, edcucation etc. They really have been blindsided by the Republican establishment who want them to keep voting for them, but could care less about fucking them over to make a dollar.
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    Sep 20, 2008 9:14 AM GMT
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    Sep 20, 2008 10:08 AM GMT
    George Lakoff has been discredited pretty roundly. I heard him on a talk show and he could barely defend his position under mild rebuck.

    How can someone defend voting for a Rebublican? ( I disagree with your assumption that it is against my interest)

    First-

    I voted for Clinton. Need I say more? I was a get out the vote guy for him, I attended all his rallies in So Cal, I donated money to his campaign and I stood next to him when he said, time and time again, that the first thing he would do if elected was eliminate the Ban on Gays in the military. What did he do? He enacted Don't Ask Don't Tell almost immediately. Put into law what had not been law up till then.

    Then he signed ENDA. The federal Defense of Marriage Act, putting into Federal law a ban on Gay Marriage.

    Wow? Why do I not vote for Democrats? Need I say more?

    That was enough to teach me the first rule of politics: Money talks.

    Rebublicans let me keep more of the money I earn. So I can give it to politicians that will vote in my favor.

    I like to have a President that thinks first about what is good for America. That will not worry that the French might not like us.

    Republicans believe in a strong national defense. Democrats have been so weak on this since the 70's. Carter would have had us dismantle our nuclear defenses in '78. Think the Soviets would have done the same?

    Republicans believe in a smaller central government, stronger states rights. Kinda like Thomas Jefferson. He was a President. Look it up if you do not believe me.

    I bought my first house under Carter, that fucking idiot. Interest rates were 14%. Americans were held hostage in Iran. Iran for godsakes. I saw life under Carter and I do not wish to go back there, thanks so much.

    I lived under Carter and Clinton. Actually under Johnson also, who turned Kennedy's small Vietnam War into a huge fiasco. Thank you Democrats. Killed 55,000 Americans.

    I am not a Rebublican or Democrat. I am an independent. I do not like what the Rebubs have become but that is their problem. Democrats scare me more. Obama does not support Gay marriage or gay anything.

    I am tired of paying $100 million a year in California to pay subsidized "in state tuition" for illegals. I am tired of seeing hospital after hospital close down because illegal immigrants use emergency rooms for primary care. In my lifetime, California has gone from leading the nation in education to being last in education because of illegal immigrants. We now have to teach in 3-4 languages. It sounds all nice and all, until you have to pay the taxes for all this. California kids can not learn.

    Don't get me wrong. If I lived in a country as fucked up as Mexico I would cross the border as fast as I could. I have nothing against the Mexican people. Most are very decent hardworking people. They just want the best for their kids. I would also. But CA is overwhelmed. In So CA schools, Spanish speakers out number English speakers. It has put our educational system beyond the breaking point. Everyone knows it. Nobody will say it.

    Democrats see illegals as potential voters and cater to them. I think it is wrong. Rules are rules. Wait in line.

    Democrats in my state care more about illegal aliens than they do about me. It is a numbers game. They are courting votes.

    So, why would I vote for Rebublicans? Because, my life is not only about being gay, it is about American values.

    Leave me alone. Let me achieve. Protect me from foreign invaders. Don't regulate me to death. Don't tax me to the nth degree to pay for social programs that end up helping no one.

    Rebublicans have been bad, but Democrats have been worse.
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    Sep 20, 2008 10:28 AM GMT
    Personally-

    I hope that Obama wins the Presidency.

    Maybe that will end the misconception that America is racist, even though we were the first, and only, country to fight a civil war over slavery between races.

    Maybe because then the rest of the world will love us, because we really need them to love us right or wrong.

    Maybe the economy will get better because of Obama and his world of experience.

    Maybe Rebublicans and Democrats will come together in unity because Obama is such an inspirational leader. He says so. I believe him and Oprah that he is.

    And maybe he will fall on his ass like Carter and prove to be nothing more than an empty suit so full of promise and hope and nothing else and I will be able to say to my liberal friends, " Well, you could have voted for Hillary!!!"

    Does my life change if Obama or McCain wins? No. If it did, I am definitely doing something wrong.
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    Sep 20, 2008 11:23 AM GMT
    Triggerman saidGeorge Lakoff has been discredited pretty roundly. I heard him on a talk show and he could barely defend his position under mild rebuck.

    How can someone defend voting for a Rebublican? ( I disagree with your assumption that it is against my interest)

    First-

    I voted for Clinton. Need I say more? I was a get out the vote guy for him, I attended all his rallies in So Cal, I donated money to his campaign and I stood next to him when he said, time and time again, that the first thing he would do if elected was eliminate the Ban on Gays in the military. What did he do? He enacted Don't Ask Don't Tell almost immediately. Put into law what had not been law up till then.

    Then he signed ENDA. The federal Defense of Marriage Act, putting into Federal law a ban on Gay Marriage.

    Wow? Why do I not vote for Democrats? Need I say more?

    That was enough to teach me the first rule of politics: Money talks.

    Republicans let me keep more of the money I earn. So I can give it to politicians that will vote in my favor.

    I like to have a President that thinks first about what is good for America. That will not worry that the French might not like us.

    Republicans believe in a strong national defense. Democrats have been so weak on this since the 70's. Carter would have had us dismantle our nuclear defenses in '78. Think the Soviets would have done the same?

    Republicans believe in a smaller central government, stronger states rights. Kinda like Thomas Jefferson. He was a President. Look it up if you do not believe me.

    I bought my first house under Carter, that fucking idiot. Interest rates were 14%. Americans were held hostage in Iran. Iran for godsakes. I saw life under Carter and I do not wish to go back there, thanks so much.

    I lived under Carter and Clinton. Actually under Johnson also, who turned Kennedy's small Vietnam War into a huge fiasco. Thank you Democrats. Killed 55,000 Americans.

    I am not a Rebublican or Democrat. I am an independent. I do not like what the Rebubs have become but that is their problem. Democrats scare me more. Obama does not support Gay marriage or gay anything.

    I am tired of paying $100 million a year in California to pay subsidized "in state tuition" for illegals. I am tired of seeing hospital after hospital close down because illegal immigrants use emergency rooms for primary care. In my lifetime, California has gone from leading the nation in education to being last in education because of illegal immigrants. We now have to teach in 3-4 languages. It sounds all nice and all, until you have to pay the taxes for all this. California kids can not learn.

    Don't get me wrong. If I lived in a country as fucked up as Mexico I would cross the border as fast as I could. I have nothing against the Mexican people. Most are very decent hardworking people. They just want the best for their kids. I would also. But CA is overwhelmed. In So CA schools, Spanish speakers out number English speakers. It has put our educational system beyond the breaking point. Everyone knows it. Nobody will say it.

    Democrats see illegals as potential voters and cater to them. I think it is wrong. Rules are rules. Wait in line.

    Democrats in my state care more about illegal aliens than they do about me. It is a numbers game. They are courting votes.

    So, why would I vote for Rebublicans? Because, my life is not only about being gay, it is about American values.

    Leave me alone. Let me achieve. Protect me from foreign invaders. Don't regulate me to death. Don't tax me to the nth degree to pay for social programs that end up helping no one.

    Rebublicans have been bad, but Democrats have been worse.


    Now i found so much of this intriguing and educational.

    I myself have nothing against immigration! But I do if it's illegal. As you said "get in line." But Oz unlike the US, has no borders. So people have to travel though a number of countries, before they even get on the boat to get here illegally, and jump the cue. our legal Aid, and other services are stretched to the limit, and this puts hardship on people of this country.

    I had a friend who's Aussie son, went to a school, full of children of Illegal entry's, and his education suffered while he was there, as their education was more important than his, as well so little of it was done in English. Once he moved schools, he thrived.

    So I give credence to what you said.

    I sit on the fence, as I do not belong to one party. I keep my mind and eyes open. But the liberals (democrats) labour down here, have given me less reason to vote for them than the Conservatives, Liberal down here. The left put us into debt, and the right are voted in to get the bill paid, as it was squandered by the left. Giving had outs, instead of teaching them to fish, so they can go and feed themselves, and not have to put the hand out to eat.

    Funny how open minded the liberals like to be portrayed. But when you disagree with em, it becomes apparent, how closed minded they really are, and nasty too. icon_biggrin.gif

    God bless America.
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    Sep 20, 2008 12:58 PM GMT
    DJ AM, Nicole Ritchie's former bf, was also injured, if anyone knows him or cares. Plane crash in Georgia. Just an FYI.
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    Sep 20, 2008 1:01 PM GMT
    Thanks, mate. It is a lonely world out here with me but I appreciate your support. GO REBELS!!!!! lol...rebels being free thinkers unchained by the left or the right.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Sep 20, 2008 4:55 PM GMT
    John43620 saidI love that term, "voting Republican is voting against your interests." It says so much.
    It says, if you vote for a Democrat it means you want something in return, it says your vote is bought.

    The great thing about being a Republican is, we have the satisfaction of knowing that our vote isn't bought and paid for.



    Your in dreamland.. no wonder I'm yawning....
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Sep 20, 2008 5:03 PM GMT
    Pattison said
    Funny how open minded the liberals like to be portrayed. But when you disagree with em, it becomes apparent, how closed minded they really are, and nasty too. icon_biggrin.gif

    God bless America.



    Truer words were never spoken...and the "Gay Liberals" are even MORE close-minded and nasty. icon_rolleyes.gif
  • HndsmKansan

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    Sep 20, 2008 5:08 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Pattison said
    Funny how open minded the liberals like to be portrayed. But when you disagree with em, it becomes apparent, how closed minded they really are, and nasty too. icon_biggrin.gif

    God bless America.



    Truer words were never spoken...and the "Gay Liberals" are even MORE close-minded and nasty. icon_rolleyes.gif


    I think the right wingers are worse.. they aren't only nasty, they will "Willie Horton" , "swift boat you or come up with just lies on a topic.... like sex education for kindergarteners.........
  • GQjock

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    Sep 21, 2008 1:26 AM GMT
    Excuse me?
    Close minded?

    Isn't that a bit of the pot calling the kettle black?
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    Sep 21, 2008 1:32 AM GMT
    GQjock saidExcuse me?
    Close minded?
    Isn't that a bit of the pot calling the kettle black?

    I think it's sweet to see Pattison and Curious form an alliance against the nasty rhetoric of liberals.
  • GQjock

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    Sep 21, 2008 1:49 AM GMT
    Yeah...
    those liberals can sure as hell be a hard nosed bunch
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    Sep 21, 2008 2:37 AM GMT
    Triggerman said

    Then he signed ENDA. The federal Defense of Marriage Act, putting into Federal law a ban on Gay Marriage.
    ...
    Rebublicans let me keep more of the money I earn. So I can give it to politicians that will vote in my favor.
    ...
    Obama does not support Gay marriage or gay anything.


    You made a mistake above. DOMA = Defense of Marriage Act .. not ENDA. ENDA is what Obama want to see pass .. Employment Non-Discriminatory Act (McCain is against it).

    Obama actually sponsored an ENDA like bill for Illinois which passed after he moved on to U.S. Senate -- it established equality and non-discrimination in jobs and housing in his state. So he has proven that he is for equality for everyone. He also supports strong civil unions that are the SAME as marriage in the eyes of the government .. If a particular church wants to do gay marriages he says that is a religious matter up to the churches. He believes in the separation of church and state.

    You also made a statement above that maybe you didn't think about .. "Rebublicans let me keep more of the money I earn. So I can give it to politicians that will vote in my favor." That is the same as bribery .. A politician should vote to your benefit because it is the right thing to do, not because they get money from you icon_biggrin.gif
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    Sep 21, 2008 4:14 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidTruer words were never spoken...and the "Gay Liberals" are even MORE close-minded and nasty. icon_rolleyes.gif
    Yeah!! How dare they get offended when you call them close minded and nasty. I expect all my victims not to fight back when I shove them around and call them names! icon_rolleyes.gif