Cyclist killed by car this morning.

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    Dec 31, 2012 1:23 AM GMT
    I was told about it when I got to work. It happened just a few blocks away from where I live, on a street I ride regularly (though mostly on the sidewalk when possible).

    http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/12/30/3161292/bicyclist-struck-and-killed-by.html
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    Dec 31, 2012 4:38 AM GMT
    Always sad when that happens. Too bad the article doesn't give any information on how it happened. And, of course, the first comment is the typical "bikes need to get off my damn road or they have only themselves to blame when I kill them" post.
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    Jan 01, 2013 4:12 PM GMT
    Another, though sad, opportunity wasted by the Herald to educate as it informs.

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    At least the driver stopped on this one. It seems in Florida more often they are hit and runs. I also had a guy die just blocks from me not long ago while riding in a dedicated bike lane (at least I assume so as there is a lane there and the guy was a regular biker). It definitely degraded my own sense of security about riding on the roads here.
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    Jan 01, 2013 4:27 PM GMT
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    This time of year I wear an ANSI class 3 reflective suit in Hi-Vis green. I use 6 lights; 4 red flashers in the rear, a headlight and a white flasher in front containing 22 separate LEDs in toto.

    I'm flipping invisible.

    I hate hearing when this happens. I've had to many close calls myself, but I refuse to live in fear.
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    Jan 01, 2013 4:34 PM GMT
    It is a risk riders take every single time we head out for a ride. It will not keep me off the road but we all need to continue to lobby for higher penalties when a life is lost or injured.

    No more should it ever be considered just an accident when a rider ends up dead. It should be the driver that proves he was in the right, not the dead rider.
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    Jan 01, 2013 4:41 PM GMT
    robbindy saidIt is a risk riders take every single time we head out for a ride. It will not keep me off the road but we all need to continue to lobby for higher penalties when a life is lost or injured.

    No more should it ever be considered just an accident when a rider ends up dead. It should be the driver that proves he was in the right, not the dead rider.


    Agreed, though we do not know the details of this particular incident. Unfortunately a great many times it is the cyclist's fault.
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    Jan 01, 2013 11:53 PM GMT
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    robbindy saidIt is a risk riders take every single time we head out for a ride. It will not keep me off the road but we all need to continue to lobby for higher penalties when a life is lost or injured.

    No more should it ever be considered just an accident when a rider ends up dead. It should be the driver that proves he was in the right, not the dead rider.


    Agreed, though we do not know the details of this particular incident. Unfortunately a great many times it is the cyclist's fault.
    That is SO true! It's not such an issue with the avid riders...those tend to learn the rules of the road and "attempt" to ride safely. The biggest problem lies with the people who ride a bike for primary/only transportation. They give the good cyclists a bad rep cause they know nothing about bicycle safety or laws...not to mention they totally suck at handling a bike.
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    Jan 02, 2013 12:01 AM GMT
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    This time of year I wear an ANSI class 3 reflective suit in Hi-Vis green. I use 6 lights; 4 red flashers in the rear, a headlight and a white flasher in front containing 22 separate LEDs in toto.

    I'm flipping invisible.

    I hate hearing when this happens. I've had to many close calls myself, but I refuse to live in fear.


    Every time I go for a ride I feel that I have a bullseye on my back. I too wear extremely bright clothes and have the lights. I usually ride very early in the morning; too late for the drunks and too early for the blue-hairs.
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    Jan 02, 2013 12:06 AM GMT
    Yeah. THree inches of ice here too. And there're bicycle tracks in it. Maniacs.

    Although the tracks I've seen are normal sized, some of the local shops are now pushing "snow bikes."

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    Jan 02, 2013 12:24 AM GMT
    As terrible and sad as this tragedy is, I would like to quote the most famous Canadian since John Candy, civic leader Rob Ford;

    "What I compare bike lanes to is swimming with the sharks. Sooner or later you're going to get bitten... Roads are built for buses, cars, and trucks, not for people on bikes. My heart bleeds for them when I hear someone gets killed, but it’s their own fault at the end of the day." - Robert Ford, 2007
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    Jan 02, 2013 12:27 AM GMT
    FitGwynedd saidAs terrible and sad as this tragedy is, I would like to quote the most famous Canadian since John Candy, civic leader Rob Ford;

    "What I compare bike lanes to is swimming with the sharks. Sooner or later you're going to get bitten... Roads are built for buses, cars, and trucks, not for people on bikes. My heart bleeds for them when I hear someone gets killed, but it’s their own fault at the end of the day." - Robert Ford, 2007


    you sir, are an idiot and an ass.
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    Jan 02, 2013 12:34 AM GMT
    metatextual said
    FitGwynedd saidAs terrible and sad as this tragedy is, I would like to quote the most famous Canadian since John Candy, civic leader Rob Ford;

    "What I compare bike lanes to is swimming with the sharks. Sooner or later you're going to get bitten... Roads are built for buses, cars, and trucks, not for people on bikes. My heart bleeds for them when I hear someone gets killed, but it’s their own fault at the end of the day." - Robert Ford, 2007


    you sir, are an idiot and an ass.


    Thanks for the wonderful intellect and discourse you bring to this conversation. I speak from three years commercial driving experience and several hundred thousands of SAFE miles driven.
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    Jan 02, 2013 12:50 AM GMT
    FitGwynedd saidAs terrible and sad as this tragedy is, I would like to quote the most famous Canadian since John Candy, civic leader Rob Ford;

    "What I compare bike lanes to is swimming with the sharks. Sooner or later you're going to get bitten... Roads are built for buses, cars, and trucks, not for people on bikes. My heart bleeds for them when I hear someone gets killed, but it’s their own fault at the end of the day." - Robert Ford, 2007


    wow, douche of the year award.
    roads were built for horse and carriages and bikes, since those were the original forms of transportation before cars and buses came along.

    this is why i take up the entire lane if the road is too narrow for cars to pass. and yes some drivers don't like it and may throw things or cut me off as they pass, but, there is always traffic signals just up ahead, and i always catch up to them. a cyclist scorned is something straight from the pits of hell, don't wanna mess with that.
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    Jan 02, 2013 12:50 AM GMT
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    FitGwynedd saidAs terrible and sad as this tragedy is, I would like to quote the most famous Canadian since John Candy, civic leader Rob Ford;

    "What I compare bike lanes to is swimming with the sharks. Sooner or later you're going to get bitten... Roads are built for buses, cars, and trucks, not for people on bikes. My heart bleeds for them when I hear someone gets killed, but it’s their own fault at the end of the day." - Robert Ford, 2007


    you sir, are an idiot and an ass.


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    Jan 02, 2013 12:53 AM GMT
    Isn't the purpose of bike lanes to separate the bikes from the cars?



    Wonderful specimen of Canadian manhood, BTW. Who said, no man is an igloo!
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    Jan 02, 2013 12:57 AM GMT
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    Sungod17 said
    robbindy saidIt is a risk riders take every single time we head out for a ride. It will not keep me off the road but we all need to continue to lobby for higher penalties when a life is lost or injured.

    No more should it ever be considered just an accident when a rider ends up dead. It should be the driver that proves he was in the right, not the dead rider.


    Agreed, though we do not know the details of this particular incident. Unfortunately a great many times it is the cyclist's fault.
    That is SO true! It's not such an issue with the avid riders...those tend to learn the rules of the road and "attempt" to ride safely. The biggest problem lies with the people who ride a bike for primary/only transportation. They give the good cyclists a bad rep cause they know nothing about bicycle safety or laws...not to mention they totally suck at handling a bike.


    I agree, just last week a cyclist was in the road ignoring red lights, weaving through traffic. I was waiting for someone to hit him once he entered their blind spot.
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    Jan 02, 2013 1:03 AM GMT
    mindgarden saidYeah. THree inches of ice here too. And there're bicycle tracks in it. Maniacs.

    Although the tracks I've seen are normal sized, some of the local shops are now pushing "snow bikes."

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    That's a BMX/freestyle bike. It's not made for roads.
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    Jan 02, 2013 1:10 AM GMT
    FitGwynedd saidAs terrible and sad as this tragedy is, I would like to quote the most famous Canadian since John Candy, civic leader Rob Ford;

    "What I compare bike lanes to is swimming with the sharks. Sooner or later you're going to get bitten... Roads are built for buses, cars, and trucks, not for people on bikes. My heart bleeds for them when I hear someone gets killed, but it’s their own fault at the end of the day." - Robert Ford, 2007
    This is not a popular statement, but it has some truth to it.

    Drivers need to be more educated on how to drive around (and pay attention for) pedestrians and human-powered vehicles on the road. That would save more lives than wider bike lanes.
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    Jan 02, 2013 1:16 AM GMT
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    metatextual said
    FitGwynedd saidAs terrible and sad as this tragedy is, I would like to quote the most famous Canadian since John Candy, civic leader Rob Ford;

    "What I compare bike lanes to is swimming with the sharks. Sooner or later you're going to get bitten... Roads are built for buses, cars, and trucks, not for people on bikes. My heart bleeds for them when I hear someone gets killed, but it’s their own fault at the end of the day." - Robert Ford, 2007


    you sir, are an idiot and an ass.


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    First of all, his attempt at sarcasm in equating John Candy with Rob Ford is wrong-headed... in fact, he should propose that Rob Ford is just as 'infamous' as London's mayor Boris Johnson, which, I'm sure you agree, has plenty of gaffes and inanities on record.

    Second, roads have been existence for millenia, and paths for much longer than that. I imagine Romans in England shared the road with people on foot and those in horse-drawn vehicles, among others. AS persons, cyclists must follow the law as do other road users.

    Putting blame on legal road-users is as asinine as blaming women (as the victim) for spousal abuse or rape.

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    Jan 02, 2013 1:31 AM GMT
    mindgarden saidYeah. THree inches of ice here too. And there're bicycle tracks in it. Maniacs.

    Although the tracks I've seen are normal sized, some of the local shops are now pushing "snow bikes."

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    errbody knows this is the best bike for snow

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    Jan 02, 2013 1:13 PM GMT
    It's always tough reading stories like this, but it sobers us up to the realities and risks of cycling on surface streets. I have a good buddy who spins over 10,000 miles a year training on his road bike. He's been hit twice by cars each time sending him in an ambulance to the ER for broken bones. Both accidents were the result of careless drivers and my buddy simply being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

    I spin half the annual mileage of my buddy, but it's more than enough for my share of near-misses with cars, and of the memorable ones I can say this: each was the result of a careless, inconsiderate, or aggressive driver. And in the interest of full disclosure one near-miss was the result of my own inattentiveness.

    The state of PA recently updated laws expanding cyclists rights on the roadways and it's my opinion that motorists are responding favorably. I feel safer and notice driver's giving me more consideration reflective of these new laws. I'm happy about that, but I still need to be alert and constantly anticipating the "what if" scenarios based upon the live, real-time conditions I'm cycling in.

    It's a fact cyclist share the roads with far too many angry drivers, but the same truth applies to pedestrians, runners, couriers, etc. Those very people complaining about cyclists on the roads are likely to be the same drivers getting equally annoyed with the pedestrian in the crosswalk (what's Rob Ford's position on Pedestrian Cross Walks?), or the FedEx driver blocking traffic to make the delivery. These angry, aggressive drivers only place themselves first and anyone or anything that gets between them and their destination is fair game for obliteration. This is the reality cyclists deal with, and it's what gives me perspective every time I saddle up and spin out on the road bike.

    I don't know if I've added value to this thread. If nothing else I've introduced another perspective. I hope it's at least positive to all the good readers of RJ.
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    Jan 02, 2013 11:01 PM GMT
    berkco01 saidIt's always tough reading stories like this, but it sobers us up to the realities and risks of cycling on surface streets. I have a good buddy who spins over 10,000 miles a year training on his road bike. He's been hit twice by cars each time sending him in an ambulance to the ER for broken bones. Both accidents were the result of careless drivers and my buddy simply being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

    I spin half the annual mileage of my buddy, but it's more than enough for my share of near-misses with cars, and of the memorable ones I can say this: each was the result of a careless, inconsiderate, or aggressive driver. And in the interest of full disclosure one near-miss was the result of my own inattentiveness.

    The state of PA recently updated laws expanding cyclists rights on the roadways and it's my opinion that motorists are responding favorably. I feel safer and notice driver's giving me more consideration reflective of these new laws. I'm happy about that, but I still need to be alert and constantly anticipating the "what if" scenarios based upon the live, real-time conditions I'm cycling in.

    It's a fact cyclist share the roads with far too many angry drivers, but the same truth applies to pedestrians, runners, couriers, etc. Those very people complaining about cyclists on the roads are likely to be the same drivers getting equally annoyed with the pedestrian in the crosswalk (what's Rob Ford's position on Pedestrian Cross Walks?), or the FedEx driver blocking traffic to make the delivery. These angry, aggressive drivers only place themselves first and anyone or anything that gets between them and their destination is fair game for obliteration. This is the reality cyclists deal with, and it's what gives me perspective every time I saddle up and spin out on the road bike.

    I don't know if I've added value to this thread. If nothing else I've introduced another perspective. I hope it's at least positive to all the good readers of RJ.
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    Jan 02, 2013 11:10 PM GMT
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    berkco01 saidIt's always tough reading stories like this, but it sobers us up to the realities and risks of cycling on surface streets. I have a good buddy who spins over 10,000 miles a year training on his road bike. He's been hit twice by cars each time sending him in an ambulance to the ER for broken bones. Both accidents were the result of careless drivers and my buddy simply being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

    I spin half the annual mileage of my buddy, but it's more than enough for my share of near-misses with cars, and of the memorable ones I can say this: each was the result of a careless, inconsiderate, or aggressive driver. And in the interest of full disclosure one near-miss was the result of my own inattentiveness.

    The state of PA recently updated laws expanding cyclists rights on the roadways and it's my opinion that motorists are responding favorably. I feel safer and notice driver's giving me more consideration reflective of these new laws. I'm happy about that, but I still need to be alert and constantly anticipating the "what if" scenarios based upon the live, real-time conditions I'm cycling in.

    It's a fact cyclist share the roads with far too many angry drivers, but the same truth applies to pedestrians, runners, couriers, etc. Those very people complaining about cyclists on the roads are likely to be the same drivers getting equally annoyed with the pedestrian in the crosswalk (what's Rob Ford's position on Pedestrian Cross Walks?), or the FedEx driver blocking traffic to make the delivery. These angry, aggressive drivers only place themselves first and anyone or anything that gets between them and their destination is fair game for obliteration. This is the reality cyclists deal with, and it's what gives me perspective every time I saddle up and spin out on the road bike.

    I don't know if I've added value to this thread. If nothing else I've introduced another perspective. I hope it's at least positive to all the good readers of RJ.


    That nails it, paulflexes, and in a very cool way. Nice.
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    Jan 02, 2013 11:11 PM GMT
    Here's the REAL reason why drivers HATE cyclists...

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    Jan 02, 2013 11:21 PM GMT
    I have seen and experienced little, being a new cyclist. However, in my only major encounter, I was hit by an airhead driver, and he was clearly at fault. And it was a hit-and-run, destroying my bike.

    As a cyclist, I hate drivers. As a driver, I hate cyclists. Not many places are built to share.