Would you hire this person????

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    Sep 20, 2008 12:22 AM GMT
    You couldn't get a job at McDonalds and become district manager after 143 days of experience.

    You couldn't become chief of surgery after 143 days of experience of being a surgeon.

    You couldn't get a job as a teacher and be the superintendent after 143 days of experience.

    You couldn't join the military and become a colonel after a 143 days of experience.

    You couldn't get a job as a reporter and become the nightly news anchor after 143 days of experience.

    BUT....
    From the time Barack Obama was sworn in as a United State Senator, to the time he announced he was forming a Presidential explore story committee, he logged 143 days of

    experience in the Senate. That's how many days the Senate was actually in session and working. After 143 days of work experience, Obama believed he was ready to be Commander In Chief, Leader of the Free World .... 143 days.

    We all have to start somewhere. The senate is a good start, but after 143 days, that's all it is - a start.

    AND, strangely, a large sector of the American public is okay with this and campaigning for him. We wouldn't accept this in our own line of work, yet some are okay with this for the President of the United States of America? Come on folks, we are not voting for the next American Idol!
    We need someone who has the experience. Someone who loves our country and will show our flag the respect it deserves. Not someone who makes his own and acts like he hates this country.
    How can you vote for HIGHER TAXES?

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    Sep 20, 2008 12:44 AM GMT
    JetsRule said
    From the time Barack Obama was sworn in as a United State Senator, to the time he announced he was forming a Presidential explore story committee, he logged 143 days of experience in the Senate. That's how many days the Senate was actually in session and working. After 143 days of work experience, Obama believed he was ready to be Commander In Chief, Leader of the Free World .... 143 days.

    ...How can you vote for HIGHER TAXES?


    I'd rather have 143 (Senate session) days of GOOD experience than decades of slavishly towing the Republican line. If we're talking days in Senate session, then let's talk about the Senator who has the most unremitting Senate record of support for the Bush Administration: John McCain. This is a qualification? I am happy to endorse the Senator who has an outstanding record of opposing disastrous Bush policies: Barack Obama.

    As for higher taxes, you must know they cannot be avoided when we've amassed the greatest national debt in US history, under a Republican Administration, and 6 years of Republican control of Congress. How will that debt be reduced? Through lower taxes still? The next President, whatever his party affiliation, will have no choice but to raise taxes to avoid fiscal chaos, thanks to previous Republican policies.

    Your arguments are illogical and ignore the true facts. But when did Republicans ever rely upon facts? The McCain-Palin ticket is being lambasted in the press for its wanton lies and misrepresentations, which will be its undoing as much as any policy differences with the Democratic ticket.

  • dfrourke

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    Sep 20, 2008 1:09 AM GMT
    Oh come on...the man is 47 years old...this post makes it sound as though he has only had 143 days of experience to draw upon...really?

    The man is a lawyer, community organizer, state senator, and now US senator...he has skills...he'll NEVER measure up to someone who is in their 70's experience-wise...but that doesn't mean he can't be effective...or lead this nation...this argument is about as fair as saying McCain is not suitable because he could have a heartattack and die tomorrow...

    Look at past behavior to predict future outcomes rather than be fatalistic about what someone 'might' do...

    I like Barack...and there are things I like about McCain...but let's have a real discussion about their candidacy rather than a 6th grade interpretation...

    - David icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Sep 20, 2008 1:21 AM GMT
    Sure thing! We did it in California...Arnold Schwarzenegger had ZERO days in office and he is now Governor of one of the largest economies of the US. 143 days sound like a really good deal. Oh and by the way...to be a teacher you need to pass a certification process and log in 30 hours of class work...can be done in less than 143 days. Fireman and EMTs also finish their training in less than 143 days, so do police men ...you may not be running the show, but you can sure as hell affect many lives.
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    Sep 20, 2008 1:37 AM GMT
    I'll keep this short: His life experience is not limited to his 143 days in the Senate. You make it sound like he was hatched from an egg and started work in the Senate the next day.

    Re: higher taxes, Obama is actually giving a tax CUT to most Americans. Only those at the top will pay more income tax (3%, from 36 to 39%). Taxes on capital gains will also go up.

    And a footnote, though it's beside the point: There are PLENTY of news anchors who have had very little or in some cases NO reporting experience. (Which, come to think of it, explains a lot.)

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    Sep 20, 2008 1:41 AM GMT
    Here's what everyone seems to be missing...

    regardless of who we choose to be president...

    YOUR TAXES WILL GO UP.

    granted you may get a few more rebates and the such for economic stimulus but your taxes will rise.

    Just remember when Gw1 said "read my lips, no new taxes..." then there were new taxes...

    It's gonna happen folks, let's just deal and get through it.
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    Sep 20, 2008 1:45 AM GMT
    LaSalle04 saidHere's what everyone seems to be missing...

    regardless of who we choose to be president...

    YOUR TAXES WILL GO UP.

    granted you may get a few more rebates and the such for economic stimulus but your taxes will rise.

    Just remember when Gw1 said "read my lips, no new taxes..." then there were new taxes...

    It's gonna happen folks, let's just deal and get through it.


    With Obama's plan they wont go up, unless you make over 250k
  • Timbales

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    Sep 20, 2008 1:48 AM GMT
    148 days of serving in office for the people that elected him before deciding to you the position to leapfrog to greater power?

    Sounds like a politician to me.
  • CAtoFL

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    Sep 20, 2008 2:05 AM GMT
    LittleDudeWithMuscles saidRe: higher taxes, Obama is actually giving a tax CUT to most Americans. Only those at the top will pay more income tax (3%, from 36 to 39%). Taxes on capital gains will also go up.


    I'm not for or against either candidate, but to slip in 'taxes on capital gains will also go up' really minimizes a huge tax increase. In fact, Obama is pressing to nearly double the capital gains tax from 15% to either 25% or 28% (depending upon the interview he was giving). I think in the interest of open discourse and full disclosure, facts like this shouldn't be casually swept under the carpet. [sources: http://www.usnews.com/blogs/capital-commerce/2007/9/19/obama-pushes-for-higher-investment-taxes.html and http://www.cnbc.com/id/23832520].
  • coolarmydude

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    Sep 20, 2008 2:11 AM GMT
    I've had 0 DAYS experience and I could do a better job than McCain and Bush combined!


    Get real!
  • SkyMiles

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    Sep 20, 2008 2:11 AM GMT
    I suppose if my #2 choice was a foul-tempered, anti-gay, chronic-lying old man, one of the notious Keating Five, in suspect health, who looks like the cryptkeeper, fought the MLK holiday for like 20 years, thinks this nation's economic problems are all in our heads, voted FOR the Iraq war, had his tongue up Bush's ass so far he could tell you what the guy had for breakfast the last eight years, AND kicked his first wife to the curb for a younger, prettier woman wealthy enough to further his political ambitions....then yes. Yes I would hire the other guy. ;)

    Thanks for asking.
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    Sep 20, 2008 2:12 AM GMT
    PS Calif: If I wasn't interested in "open disclosure," I wouldn't have mentioned "capital gains" at all, don't you think??

    The purpose of my eight-sentence post was not to write a treatise on Obama's tax plan. If you want to know more, look it up like I did.

    According to Obama, he wants to raise capital gains to 20%. Not 25 or 28%, like you say.

    Yes, Bill O'Reilly says Obama wants to double capital gains to 28%, but O'Reilly has been known to play fast and loose with the facts.
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    Sep 20, 2008 2:13 AM GMT
    Timberoo said148 days of serving in office for the people that elected him before deciding to you the position to leapfrog to greater power?

    Sounds like a politician to me.


    This "148 days of serving" is a bogus criteria, anyway. That's the days that the Senate was in formal session as a body. It doesn't include all the days that Senator Obama, and other Senators, sat in committees.

    It doesn't include all their office hours, all their days visiting with constituents who came to DC, all the days the Senators took fact-finding trips around the US and overseas, all the trips back to their home offices to deal with issues & constituents in their home states.

    The same formula applied to any Senator or Member of the House would make them all look like slackers, when the reverse is true for most of them. This is the kind of "Swift Boating" we can expect from the Republicans in this election. Make heroes into cowards, make patriots into traitors, make hard workers into laggards.

    And those who are repeating these distortions are as guilty as their authors. For if you don't have the common sense to know when you are being used as a mindless surrogate for lies, then you deserve the taint of the lies yourself.

    And BTW, if "serving" during sessions is the sole criteria, then how many days did Sarah Palin "serve" at monthly meetings as Mayor of a tiny town in Alaska? A few dozen at most, during her short tenure? And if you say she had other duties outside the city council chamber, then you prove the case that US Senators cannot be denied credit for all the duties they have when the Senate isn't in formal session.

    Plus as Governor of Alaska she spent more than half of her time at home, as her reimbursement payments show ( a questionable practice in itself). Sorry, but this dog of "serving" won't hunt.
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    Sep 20, 2008 2:17 AM GMT
    This is all so ridiculous.

    There is one question: does he make good decisions, or bad decisions?

    By that standard, the obvious choice is Obama.
  • Timbales

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    Sep 20, 2008 2:25 AM GMT
    Red_Vespa said
    Timberoo said148 days of serving in office for the people that elected him before deciding to you the position to leapfrog to greater power?

    Sounds like a politician to me.


    This "148 days of serving" is a bogus criteria, anyway. That's the days that the Senate was in formal session as a body. It doesn't include all the days that Senator Obama, and other Senators, sat in committees.

    It doesn't include all their office hours, all their days visiting with constituents who came to DC, all the days the Senators took fact-finding trips around the US and overseas, all the trips back to their home offices to deal with issues & constituents in their home states.

    The same formula applied to any Senator or Member of the House would make them all look like slackers, when the reverse is true for most of them. This is the kind of "Swift Boating" we can expect from the Republicans in this election. Make heroes into cowards, make patriots into traitors, make hard workers into laggards.

    And those who are repeating these distortions are as guilty as their authors. For if you don't have the common sense to know when you are being used as a mindless surrogate for lies, then you deserve the taint of the lies yourself.

    And BTW, if "serving" during sessions is the sole criteria, then how many days did Sarah Palin "serve" at monthly meetings as Mayor of a tiny town in Alaska? A few dozen at most, during her short tenure? And if you say she had other duties outside the city council chamber, then you prove the case that US Senators cannot be denied credit for all the duties they have when the Senate isn't in formal session.

    Plus as Governor of Alaska she spent more than half of her time at home, as her reimbursement payments show ( a questionable practice in itself). Sorry, but this dog of "serving" won't hunt.


    I don't like people like you who seem to assume that anything slightly negative said about one candidate means the person is backing the other.

  • CAtoFL

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    Sep 20, 2008 2:26 AM GMT
    LittleDudeWithMuscles said
    According to Obama, he wants to raise capital gains to 20%. Not 25 or 28%, like you say..


    To clarify, I am not pulling these numbers out of thin air - they are specifically attributed to Obama. The 28% rate in late 2007 and, most recently, the 20% to 25% rate in an interview with Maria Bartiromo.

    I am not creating numbers, I am quoting them.

    Please see the references for the full text if you need further clarification.
  • coolarmydude

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    Sep 20, 2008 2:33 AM GMT
    GregStevensTX said, "This is all so ridiculous.

    There is one question: does he make good decisions, or bad decisions?

    By that standard, the obvious choice is Obama."



    That's what I've been saying all year: Accuracy trumps experience. Thank you!
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    Sep 20, 2008 2:34 AM GMT
    Here we go again -- more parroted talking points from the wingnut right. Google sez:

    http://tinyurl.com/4rxzfh

    And the righties here talk about liberal spin. Meanwhile they quote Michelle Malkin and whoever originated this absurd piece of propaganda -- probably a pointy-headed innaleckshul on freerepublic.com.

    Lemme suggest to everyone: When you read something here like this, Google a sentence. It's almost always from the right-wing echo chamber. That means the writer, I mean parrot, has made no effort whatsoever to verify facts and doesn't even cite the source so you can.
  • coolarmydude

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    Sep 20, 2008 2:35 AM GMT
    coolarmydude said, "I've had 0 DAYS experience and I could do a better job than McCain and Bush combined!
    Get real!"



    On second thought, half of me can do a better job than McCain and Bush combined and the other half of me.........hmmmmm, it can do 5 times better than my other half.
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    Sep 20, 2008 3:18 AM GMT
    Only 143 days.......So, I should then vote for John Mc Cain? Just remember, gay men, that Republicans would burn you at the stake for political gain. YOU ARE USED AS A TOOL EVERY ELECTION TO DIVIDE PEOPLE AND PUSH MORE REPUBLICANS TO THE POLLS ON ELECTION DAY. GAYS ARE GOING TO LEAD TO THE DESTRUCTION OF OUR GOD-FEARING LAND, DON'T YOU KNOW, AND THEREFORE YOU MUST VOTE REPUBLICAN OR IT WILL BE THE END OF AMERICA. Fuck them. Fuck them all.

    And fuck John Mc Cain and Sarah Palin.

    Yeah, I'll be a one issue voter----when the issue is my very right to exist. Don't kid yourselves guys. Read the RNC platform for starters.icon_mad.gif
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    Sep 20, 2008 3:24 AM GMT
    I've had bowel movements that could do a better job than McCain/Palin. They probably smarter and smell better too.
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    Sep 20, 2008 9:35 AM GMT
    JetsRule said You couldn't get a job at McDonalds and become district manager after 143 days of experience.

    You couldn't become chief of surgery after 143 days of experience of being a surgeon.

    You couldn't get a job as a teacher and be the superintendent after 143 days of experience.

    You couldn't join the military and become a colonel after a 143 days of experience.

    You couldn't get a job as a reporter and become the nightly news anchor after 143 days of experience.

    BUT....
    From the time Barack Obama was sworn in as a United State Senator, to the time he announced he was forming a Presidential explore story committee, he logged 143 days of

    experience in the Senate. That's how many days the Senate was actually in session and working. After 143 days of work experience, Obama believed he was ready to be Commander In Chief, Leader of the Free World .... 143 days.


    FAIL.

    Comparisons are invalid because none are equal to each other in terms of the amount of time it takes and previous experience one has in order to gain a higher level in the field.

    Btw let's compare Obama to Palin (and this was shamelessly stolen from somewhere...I didn't write it):

    "If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer, become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee, spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees, you don't have any real leadership experience.

    If your total resume is: local weather girl, 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, 20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000 people, then you're qualified to become the country's second highest ranking executive."

    Right it's all clear to me now. Obama clearly isn't ready but Palin sure is.
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    Sep 20, 2008 9:37 AM GMT
    gymguy2k saidOnly 143 days.......So, I should then vote for John Mc Cain? Just remember, gay men, that Republicans would burn you at the stake for political gain.


    yeeaaaahhhh, um. This isn't the 70s anymore. The only thing worse than an over-conservative Republican is an over-reactive homo.
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    Sep 21, 2008 5:11 AM GMT
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    gymguy2k saidOnly 143 days.......So, I should then vote for John Mc Cain? Just remember, gay men, that Republicans would burn you at the stake for political gain.


    yeeaaaahhhh, um. This isn't the 70s anymore. The only thing worse than an over-conservative Republican is an over-reactive homo.


    Your'e 26. You weren't even alive in the 70's. What do the 70's have to do with it? Scoff if you must. There wouldn't be over-reactive homos if there weren't over-conservative Republicans. Wake up.
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    Sep 24, 2008 12:43 AM GMT
    And I Quote...

    Obama Auditioning to be Our “Indecisive” President

    Obama’s inability to make up his mind has not - up until now - had that much impact on his career.

    A lack of decisiveness can be covered up if you spend most of your time writing books about yourself, instead of fighting corruption or drafting legislation or exposing criminals like Tony Rezko..

    His habit of simply voting “Present” during his time in the Illinois legislature was a tool for covering up this weakness too.

    Today, we can visualize what an indecisive Obama would be like as President. Obama would make glorious, self-righteous speeches as our “Tony Rezko” enemies - foreign and domestic - ran circles around us.

    Saturday Night Live would feature skits about Obama’s inability to choose between his coffee and his tea: “I want something with a little bit of bite…and a little less watery taste. Oh nooooo…what will I dooooo” Drill, baby, drill!

    The truth is, we don’t have time to wait for Senator Obama to recover from his paralysis in the face of this crisis,’’ “one week after this crisis began, Senator Obama has still not offered a plan of any kind’’ and that “Senator Obama has been M.I.A., my friends. That means missing in action.’’

    Wait he is back

    Obama First blamed the Wall Street mess on Bush and MCain, but then Obama was the first to jump up and say he “fully supported” Bush’s 700 Billion dollar bailout. But now he is hearing whispers of disaproval, so of course Obama flips once again and is now trying to have it both ways, saying he supports the bail-out, except when he doesn’t support it.

    Maybe next he will just say "Present" so he will not have to flip flop so much...
    want to know Why is Obama supporting this? Because Goldman Sachs has tossed his campaign so much money and the Harvard empty suits he went to school are his friends and acquaintances. Obama’s timidity and collusion are appalling!

    So basically Obama said nothing. When was the last time he actually made a statement that was reality based and informative? Ever? He’s beginning to talk like a guy who has an alibi ready for all occasions.

    of course you would believe everything Obama says, when have you never disagreed with him?

    Mr. Obama has a tendency to overintellectualize and to lecture, befitting his training as a lawyer and law professor.
    “Obama clearly knows how to float like a butterfly,”
    “but he needs to work on the sting-like-a-bee part.”

    If you want real change and real reform — not just the good old boy Dems taking their turn — then McCain/Palin is the only true hope.