AGREEMENT REACHED TO AVOID FISCAL CLIFF

  • HndsmKansan

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    Jan 01, 2013 2:06 AM GMT
    Too late to avoid the cliff, but Biden & McConnell have reached agreement.. Senate democrats to be briefed shortly and a senate vote is expected.
    House is adjourned.. but that might be interesting to see how that vote goes...
  • mybud

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    Jan 01, 2013 2:52 AM GMT
    The Republican controlled house technically wants to go over the cliff ...Let the taxes rise on the rich...Then pass the comprise so it looks as those they cut the taxing of the rich but at higher levels....Question? Do they pipe in the crack smoke into the Republican caucus meeting room or do they hire the homeless to actually sit in on the meeting hot piping so they get strong contact buzzes??????????
  • AMoonHawk

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    Jan 01, 2013 4:26 PM GMT
    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/senate-passes--fiscal-cliff--deal--house-up-next-082813845.html
  • turtleneckjoc...

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    Jan 01, 2013 4:41 PM GMT
    Here is the final vote tally from the Senate:

    YEA: 89
    NAY: 8
    NV: 3

    http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=112&session=2&vote=00251#position

    What surprised me was the three Democrats that voted no on this, with Tom Harkin (D-IA) showing up....Odd.

    What was "expected" were the "no" votes from Republicans from deep red states (Kentucky, Alabama, Utah), including our very own Senate Moron, Marco Rubio........
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    Jan 01, 2013 4:46 PM GMT
    Yeah, taxing "the rich" sure is gonna help!

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    Jan 01, 2013 4:54 PM GMT
    ^
    Spoken like the whining rich, SB.

    In order to get that debt down, eventually everyone is going to have to pay more tax and some big and painful public spending cuts are going to have to be swallowed too.
  • thadjock

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    Jan 01, 2013 6:04 PM GMT
    1) when you say "pay more taxes", the tax rate is just going back to what it was under clinton (b4 the bush UNFUNDED tax cuts) , plenty of rich people still made plenty of money under those rates so to hear them bitch about it is ridiculous. you're still paying way less that you did under Eisenhower, or even Reagan (raised taxes 11 times over his presidency)

    2) when anybody rants about entitlement cuts i always want someone to ask them: " what happens to all the people who get cut off from all the various assistance programs that are keeping them alive and off the streets right now, when you kill funding?"

    Do we as a society just accept that (x) million more homeless people and (x) million more children going hungry or not going to school is OK? It's an incredibly difficult and intricate problem to dismantle any of these programs without effecting a class based genocide of sorts. We just write those people off entirely? and keep walking?
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    Jan 01, 2013 6:12 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 said^
    Spoken like the whining rich, SB.


    He doesn't even have the correct numbers, the idiot!
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    Jan 01, 2013 7:07 PM GMT
    TigerTim said
    Ex_Mil8 said^
    Spoken like the whining rich, SB.


    He doesn't even have the correct numbers, the idiot!


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    Jan 01, 2013 7:24 PM GMT
    thadjock said1) when you say "pay more taxes", the tax rate is just going back to what it was under clinton (b4 the bush UNFUNDED tax cuts) , plenty of rich people still made plenty of money under those rates so to hear them bitch about it is ridiculous. you're still paying way less that you did under Eisenhower, or even Reagan (raised taxes 11 times over his presidency)

    2) when anybody rants about entitlement cuts i always want someone to ask them: " what happens to all the people who get cut off from all the various assistance programs that are keeping them alive and off the streets right now, when you kill funding?"

    Do we as a society just accept that (x) million more homeless people and (x) million more children going hungry or not going to school is OK? It's an incredibly difficult and intricate problem to dismantle any of these programs without effecting a class based genocide of sorts. We just write those people off entirely? and keep walking?


    The reality is that the US cannot sustain its current level of debt (and with future commitments to the baby boomers, it can only get worse). Public spending is going to have to be cut. Where to cut is a dreadful dilemma and not one I would like to have to decide (as a non-US citizen, I will never have to). That said, the things that America has to do to put its fiscal house in order are not anywhere near as extreme as what Europe has to do. The debt is not a financial problem, it is a political problem. I think you could lose a couple of US Navy fleets for starters.
  • mybud

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    Jan 01, 2013 11:32 PM GMT
    DontQuoteMe said[/cite]Yeah, taxing "the rich" sure is gonna help!
    I'm glad you agree......