Republican White Privilege

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    Sep 20, 2008 6:16 AM GMT
    For those who still can't grasp the concept of white privilege, or who are constantly looking for some easy-to-understand examples of it, perhaps this list will help.
    White privilege is when you can get pregnant at seventeen like Bristol Palin and everyone is quick to insist that your life and that of your family is a personal matter, and that no one has a right to judge you or your parents, because "every family has challenges," even as black and Latino families with similar "challenges" are regularly typified as irresponsible, pathological and arbiters of social decay.
    White privilege is when you can call yourself a "fuckin' redneck," like Bristol Palin's boyfriend does, and talk about how if anyone messes with you, you'll "kick their fuckin' ass," and talk about how you like to "shoot shit" for fun, and still be viewed as a responsible, all-American boy (and a great son-in-law to be) rather than a thug.
    White privilege is when you can attend four different colleges in six years like Sarah Palin did (one of which you basically failed out of, then returned to after making up some coursework at a community college), and no one questions your intelligence or commitment to achievement, whereas a person of color who did this would be viewed as unfit for college, and probably someone who only got in in the first place because of affirmative action.
    White privilege is when you can claim that being mayor of a town smaller than most medium-sized colleges, and then Governor of a state with about the same number of people as the lower fifth of the island of Manhattan, makes you ready to potentially be president, and people don't all piss on themselves with laughter, while being a black U.S. Senator, two-term state Senator, and constitutional law scholar, means you're "untested."
    White privilege is being able to say that you support the words "under God" in the pledge of allegiance because "if it was good enough for the founding fathers, it's good enough for me," and not be immediately disqualified from holding office-since, after all, the pledge was written in the late 1800s and the "under God" part wasn't added until the 1950s-while believing that reading accused criminals and terrorists their rights (because, ya know, the Constitution, which you used to teach at a prestigious law school requires it), is a dangerous and silly idea only supported by mushy liberals.
    White privilege is being able to be a gun enthusiast and not make people immediately scared of you.
    White privilege is being able to have a husband who was a member of an extremist political party that wants your state to secede from the Union, and whose motto was "Alaska first," and no one questions your patriotism or that of your family, while if you're black and your spouse merely fails to come to a 9/11 memorial so she can be home with her kids on the first day of school, people immediately think she's being disrespectful.
    White privilege is being able to make fun of community organizers and the work they do-like, among other things, fight for the right of women to vote, or for civil rights, or the 8-hour workday, or an end to child labor-and people think you're being pithy and tough, but if you merely question the experience of a small town mayor and 18-month governor with no foreign policy expertise beyond a class she took in college-you're somehow being mean, or even sexist.
    White privilege is being able to convince white women who don't even agree with you on any substantive issue to vote for you and your running mate anyway, because all of a sudden your presence on the ticket has inspired confidence in these same white women, and made them give your party a "second look."
    White privilege is being able to fire people who didn't support your political campaigns and not be accused of abusing your power or being a typical politician who engages in favoritism, while being black and merely knowing some folks from the old-line political machines in Chicago means you must be corrupt.
    White privilege is being able to attend churches over the years whose pastors say that people who voted for John Kerry or merely criticize George W. Bush are going to hell, and that the U.S. is an explicitly Christian nation and the job of Christians is to bring Christian theological principles into government, and who bring in speakers who say the conflict in the Middle East is God's punishment on Jews for rejecting Jesus, and everyone can still think you're just a good church-going Christian, but if you're black and friends with a black pastor who has noted (as have Colin Powell and the U.S. Department of Defense) that terrorist attacks are often the result of U.S. foreign policy and who talks about the history of racism and its effect on black people, you're an extremist who probably hates America.
    White privilege is not knowing what the Bush Doctrine is when asked by a reporter, and then people get angry at the reporter for asking you such a "trick question," while being black and merely refusing to give one-word answers to the queries of Bill O'Reilly means you're dodging the question, or trying to seem overly intellectual and nuanced.
    White privilege is being able to claim your experience as a POW has anything at all to do with your fitness for president, while being black and experiencing racism is, as Sarah Palin has referred to it, a "light" burden.
    And finally, white privilege is the only thing that could possibly allow someone to become president when he has voted with George W. Bush 90 percent of the time, even as unemployment is skyrocketing, people are losing their homes, inflation is rising, and the U.S. is increasingly isolated from world opinion, just because white voters aren't sure about that whole "change" thing. Ya know, it's just too vague and ill-defined, unlike, say, four more years of the same, which is very concrete and certain.
    White privilege is, in short, the problem.
    Written by: Tim Wise, Journalist; The New York Times
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    Sep 20, 2008 7:38 AM GMT
    Wow. Interesting. Not sure why all of the positions you listed are supposedly Rebublican, since many Democrats feel the same way. Almost half of the Democrats, 18 million or so, voted against a black candidate in favor of a white candidate, Ms. Hillary. All racist also? I guess.

    Palin went to multiple colleges? Not a few, like Obama? What exactly is the limit? Obama went to Occidental, which is basically a community college in Southern CA. before he moved on.

    Constitutional Scholar? Obama? Really? Taught law, yes. Constitutional Scholar? I don't think people around the country turned to him for legal opinions. Maybe Roberts or Alito, but not Obama.

    Obama fought for woman's rights to vote? In Illinois? I think they already had that before he was born.

    Palin supports gun rights? ( as does Obama apparently after the Supreme Court decision re: Washington D.C.) Well, the founding fathers supported them also. Enough to put it in the Constitution. Explicitely. Read the second ammendment. It is right there, not "implied", like abortion, but explicitly, like they actually SAID it.

    So much to work with, so little time.....



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    Sep 20, 2008 7:57 AM GMT
    I have actually spent time in Wasilla, unlike most people in the lower 48. It is a nice little town with very decent people. I don't know much about Palin, but neither does anyone else. To denigrate the town is strange coming from someone that has never been there, but the vitriole does not suprise me. It is not Chicago, for sure. Mayor Daley, Senior, can't buy or strongarm votes, I suppose. What happened to the days when Demos hated Chicago for it's political machine and shenanigans?

    I have also lived in Bristol Bay, where Palin's husband salmon fishes. I was there when he was salmon fishing. I was salmon fishing with my boyfriend and his brother. Never met him, I do not think, but the people were honest and hardworking. Redneck? Redneck describes most everyone in Alaska. It is a harsh world. Nobody wears loafers or Brooks Brothers suits like Manhattan. Carhartt maybe (look it up). People hunt there and eat what they hunt. Unless you are a vegetarian, why make fun of that? Cause you eat a salmon filet with capers and lemon sauce with a side of garlic mashed potatoes from some restaurant? Make fun of the people that actually caught that salmon filet that you enjoy? Or go to the uber-trendy restaurant that serves buffalo or elk steaks? Yeah, someone actually shot them at one point.

    I do not know Palin. But I have lived in Alaska. I still visit several times a year. Your arrogance is astounding.
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    Sep 20, 2008 8:07 AM GMT
    I also think your racism is showing. 99% of the reasons you give for not voting for Obama have nothing to do with racism, except maybe yours, but with fundamental idealogistic differences. And you couch them as racism. Maybe you are fighting your own racism. It is in you so you see it in everyone else? I will leave that to you and your shrink. As Obama said, that is above my pay grade to figure out.
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    Sep 20, 2008 11:20 AM GMT
    Tim Wise is a journalist for The New York Times. I reposted the article here attempting to wake up a few people.
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    Sep 20, 2008 12:50 PM GMT
    You might have to repost it because I do not see it but I will DEFINITELY read it, my friend.
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    Sep 20, 2008 1:13 PM GMT
    Wasilla is also a town LIKE the rest of the US that didn't have a deficit until their respective last republican leaders took office... Go Figger icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Sep 20, 2008 1:25 PM GMT
    B787 saidTim Wise is a journalist for The New York Times. I reposted the article here attempting to wake up a few people.


    Thanks, funny & disturbing piece at the same time. As for criticism of what the article says, I see the comment about others having gone to multiple colleges besides Sarah Palin. I've gone to several myself over my lifetime.

    But 6 in 4 years? I was a university asst. registrar who handled transfer students, and I can't recall any who managed that trick. I'd love to see Palin's college transcript.

    The article does not criticize the Second Amendment right to bear arms, but the differing perceptions of those who exercise that right. And that's the essence of the entire piece, that there are two different standards going on here: one for Republican office seekers, and one for the rest of us.

    I think this thread would have been better without the word "White" in the heading, and just left it as "Republican." While blacks and other persons of color are not doubt the principal victims of Republican double standards, I'd hate to think the rest of us decent citizens weren't being dragged into their hypocrisy, too. LOL!
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    Sep 20, 2008 2:34 PM GMT
    "It is a nice little town with very decent people. "

    Especially if you're into crystal meth.
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    Sep 20, 2008 2:53 PM GMT
    McGay said"It is a nice little town with very decent people. "

    Especially if you're into crystal meth.



    Just how familiar with crystal meth are you, McGay? Any correlation between crystal meth and the incredibly irresponsible offerings coming from you every day?
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    Sep 20, 2008 3:15 PM GMT
    GQjock saidWasilla is also a town LIKE the rest of the US that didn't have a deficit until their respective last republican leaders took office... Go Figger icon_rolleyes.gif



    More blame, blame, blame the Republicans when you're not really telling the whole story so that people can see the forest for the trees. The reason Wasilla was left holding a deficit was because the people who live there voted for, and passed, the building of a new sports arena. They also voted for, and passed, a small sales tax increase in order to pay for this sports arena over time. This is an example of where then Mayor Palin, and now Governor Palin, perhaps soon to be Vice President Palin believed in putting government back on the side of the people. The citizens wanted, and they got, their sports arena by deciding on, and voting on, how they were going to pay for it. So, to say that Mayor Palin left the town of Wasilla with a huge debt is not really telling the whole story.
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    Sep 20, 2008 3:31 PM GMT
    Jockbod48Just how familiar with crystal meth are you, McGay? Any correlation between crystal meth and the incredibly irresponsible offerings coming from you every day?


    Why, are you selling? And what does that have to do with my statement? Wasilla is the meth mecca of Alaska.

    Irresponsible. HAHAHAHAHA! Do you sit around with a big red ball on your nose all day? I'm only responsible for pointing it out.

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    Sep 20, 2008 3:32 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidSo, to say that Mayor Palin left the town of Wasilla with a huge debt is not really telling the whole story.


    I care less about the internal politics of a town smaller than a college campus, than about the lack of Federal experience achieved by being its Mayor. Likewise being a governor for less than 2 years in a state with a population smaller than many US cities. A tenure marked by favoritism and misuse of executive power.

    When being able to "see" an uninhabited stretch of Russian coastline from Alaska is the best she can claim about her foreign policy experience, you know how unqualified she really is to be a US Vice President. She's a total joke & fraud, and anyone who defends her is merely revealing their own fanatical support for the Republican ticket, no matter what.
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    Sep 20, 2008 3:36 PM GMT
    Well, Red, by your own criteria, perhaps Joe Biden should be #1 on the Democratic ticket and not the equally "inexperienced" 1st term Senator Obama. Let's at least hold the Democratic Presidential nominee to the same standard you're holding the Republican Vice Presidential nominee. Besides, if "foreign policy" experience is what we are arguing here, Senator Obama isn't even in the same league as Senator McCain in the arena.

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    Sep 20, 2008 3:38 PM GMT
    McCain is way more likely to die in office than Obama, at least from natural causes, making saracuda far more likely to become president than Biden. I can't wait for the national bake sale.
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    Sep 20, 2008 3:40 PM GMT





    wow.

    This article (overtly liberal as it is) left me speechless. Its almost like peering into the minority mind for just a few minutes..interesting





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    Sep 20, 2008 3:47 PM GMT
    McGay saidMcCain is way more likely to die in office than Obama, at least from natural causes, making saracuda far more likely to become president than Biden.


    That's debatable -- who knows what the future may hold for our next President -- Obama or McCain. That being said, if I had to choose Joe Biden or Sarah Palin as President, I still choose Palin. Personally, and this is just my opinion and you can throw tomatoes all you want, but I for one don't happen to think that an intelligent woman who is a Washington outsider thrust into the Presidency is necessarily such a bad thing. It actually may be a GOOD thing. It doesn't matter who our President is, if they aren't capable of surrounding themselves with the best & the brightest to help them lead, they will fail anyway. I have confidence that Governor Palin could, and would, do that if, God forbid, anything should happen to McCain. You can argue all you want that she's an idiot or not capable, but I beg to differ. I think she is quite capable and would rise to the occasion if events dictated that she would have to.
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    Sep 20, 2008 3:55 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidWell, Red, by your own criteria, perhaps Joe Biden should be #1 on the Democratic ticket and not the equally "inexperienced" 1st term Senator Obama. Let's at least hold the Democratic Presidential nominee to the same standard you're holding the Republican Vice Presidential nominee. Besides, if "foreign policy" experience is what we are arguing here, Senator Obama isn't even in the same league as Senator McCain in the arena.


    I never said experience in Congress was the sole criteria. Obama is the more dynamic leader on the ticket, and has other superior qualities as well. But SOME Federal experience in a Vice Presidential candidate doesn't seem to be asking too much, does it?

    As for McCain's experience, he has plenty -- all wrong. Jesse Helms had tons of experience, as one of the longest serving members of the US Senate. You wouldn't have supported him for President, would you?

    McCain has about the best Senate record for supporting Bush policies, why some call him "McSame" despite his hollow claim of being a maverick, championing Bush's disastrous foreign policy, from Iraq to Afghanistan. Virtually everywhere the Bush Doctrine has touched has been failure, and John McCain voted for it all.

    Junior Senator John F. Kennedy had much less experience than Senator Lyndon B. Johnson, the Senate Majority Leader at the time, the most powerful and arguably the most experienced of any Senator back then. But Johnson took the second position on the Democratic Presidential ticket behind Kennedy, as Biden has done now with Obama.

    Your arguments defy history, facts & logic
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    Sep 20, 2008 4:13 PM GMT
    Red_Vespa said
    As for McCain's experience, he has plenty -- all wrong. Jesse Helms had tons of experience, as one of the longest serving members of the US Senate. You wouldn't have supported him for President, would you? .

    This is kind of a lame argument because Jesse Helms isn't running for President, and if he had I certainly wouldn't have voted for him.



    Red_Vespa saidMcCain has about the best Senate record for supporting Bush policies, why some call him "McSame" despite his hollow claim of being a maverick, championing Bush's disastrous foreign policy, from Iraq to Afghanistan. Virtually everywhere the Bush Doctrine has touched has been failure, and John McCain voted for it all.
    Do your research, as this is just plain NOT TRUE. Senator McCain earned his "maverick" status because he rallied against Presdent Bush on any number of issues, not to mention against President Reagan early on in his Senate career.


    Red_Vespa saidJunior Senator John F. Kennedy had less experience than Senator Lyndon B. Johnson, the Senate Majority Leader at the time, the most powerful and arguably the most experienced of any Senator back then. But Johnson took the second position on the Presidential ticket, as Biden has done now.

    Again, a silly argument that simply does not hold water. LBJ took a back seat to JFK because he probably knew, as everyone else did, that JFK actually had a better chance to win the Presidency than he did. As for Biden, he took the 2nd seat because he was offered it, not necessarily because he was the best choice for it --- by HIS own admission I might add. Biden ran for President so many times I have lost count and he never really ignited any excitement or support from the American people to speak of.


    Red_Vespa saidYour arguments defy history, facts & logic.

    You're entitled to your opinion, but I beg to differ with it.

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    Sep 20, 2008 4:22 PM GMT
    "That's debatable"

    No, it's not. People in their 70s are more likely to die of old age than people in their 40s. It's really not debatable, as much as you'd like it to be. That being said, try again.
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    Sep 20, 2008 4:29 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidSenator McCain earned his "maverick" status because he rallied against Presdent Bush on any number of issues, not to mention against President Reagan early on in his Senate career.


    He may have "rallied" till the cows came home, for his own political advantage. But when the votes were taken your Senator McCain succeeded in racking-up a 90% record of compliance with Bush legislative proposals.

    Which not only objectively proves that he's truly "McSame" but also a deceitful weasel. Those Senate votes are record, and cannot be erased with spin and campaign claims to the contrary.

    He'd announce his "reservations" to a Bush proposal with great media flourish, then turn right around and vote for them anyway. A classic case of trying to have his cake and eat it, too, which I hope he'll now symbolically choke on.
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    Sep 20, 2008 4:57 PM GMT
    McGay said"That's debatable"

    No, it's not. People in their 70s are more likely to die of old age than people in their 40s. It's really not debatable, as much as you'd like it to be. That being said, try again.



    Hmmmm...well, if I'm not mistaken, JFK was a young President and look how THAT worked out. I was merely making the point that no one really knows how the future would play out in terms of how or when any one President may die in office, regardless of their age.
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    Sep 20, 2008 4:59 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    McGay said"That's debatable"

    No, it's not. People in their 70s are more likely to die of old age than people in their 40s. It's really not debatable, as much as you'd like it to be. That being said, try again.



    Hmmmm...well, if I'm not mistaken, JFK was a young President and look how THAT worked out.



    I can see when I get Curiousjock alone in the room, he will have to bound and gagged when I talk some sense into him.
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    Sep 20, 2008 5:10 PM GMT
    Some more interesting discussion about this article and White Privilege at this thread too. Check it out!:

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/288684/

    White Privilege, of course, is not just a Republican thing - here is a classic short essay by Peggy McIntosh about this:

    http://www.nymbp.org/reference/WhitePrivilege.pdf

    A previous post of mine, just to share some thoughts on the Tim Wise essay:
    [regarding how white privilege is enjoyed by Palin, especially w/ regard to coverage in the press, when compared w/ Obama]...there are double standards being used here, presumably based on the assumption that Obama's "otherness" adds some emotional weight and stickiness to the criticisms being lobbied his way, while Palin's "sameness" (to the White electorate) allows the positive spin to stay with her - she is looked at less critically by voters because of her many signifiers of being "acceptable." Tie it together with the right continually referring to Obama as "B. Hussein" or "BHO." Calling into question his patriotism based on this, and fear of his otherness. In contrast, Palin is being framed as a Frontier's Woman, much like a cowboy/girl, tapping into our "god-given right" for manifest destiny as White settlers. And her shortcomings are much more easily excused ("spun") by the political right media news makers. And her racially-derived and spun personality (Frontier Woman) gets her off the hook more readily in the minds of voters than does the suspicion ('shifty eyed") derivation cast upon Obama, based on White Privilege.
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    Sep 20, 2008 5:28 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan said

    I can see when I get Curiousjock alone in the room, he will have to bound and gagged when I talk some sense into him.




    Not gonna happen, but you're free to fantasize icon_lol.gif