Army???

  • imbrad

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    Jan 03, 2013 6:34 PM GMT
    I have been contemplating going into the army lately. I'm wondering if anyone has any experience or advice that might help my decision.

    A lot of my friends are in the military and it seems to be good for them (even my good friend we lost in Afghanistan). I don't want to make a career out of it but it would be nice to have some guarantees in life.

    I have about 3 semesters left in a degree i have been working on for 5 years and have had about 10 jobs in that time usually 2 at a time when I could. I feel like i've been spinning my wheels since highschool and I don't want to go the way of my Dad who has been spinning his wheels my whole life.

    I have always worked hard but struggled to manage time and relationships. Being unemployed again I feel I need to take stock of my situation and the way I am going about life.

  • hanzo83

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    Jan 03, 2013 8:27 PM GMT
    imbrad saidI have been contemplating going into the army lately. I'm wondering if anyone has any experience or advice that might help my decision.

    A lot of my friends are in the military and it seems to be good for them (even my good friend we lost in Afghanistan). I don't want to make a career out of it but it would be nice to have some guarantees in life.

    I have about 3 semesters left in a degree i have been working on for 5 years and have had about 10 jobs in that time usually 2 at a time when I could. I feel like i've been spinning my wheels since highschool and I don't want to go the way of my Dad who has been spinning his wheels my whole life.

    I have always worked hard but struggled to manage time and relationships. Being unemployed again I feel I need to take stock of my situation and the way I am going about life.



    I've been in the Army Reserves part time for 10 years now and the money I got for school was good. It was too hard to work and go to school at the same time so the money enabled me to work in the summers and the breaks.

    I was lucky enough to not get deployed in all this time. You have to think about the possibility of being deployed for a while. I signed up before the war was official and so I was scared shitless for the first few years because I wanted no part of any wars lol.
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    Jan 03, 2013 9:10 PM GMT
    What is it about going to war that makes you think it will give you "guarantees in life"?

    From your reasons given, it sounds like you're going because you can't think of anything else to do. Not a good reason. Although neither is it for the guys who go so they get treated like heroes for life. It would be interesting to see how many actually go to war for altruistic reasons.
  • Suetonius

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    Jan 03, 2013 9:49 PM GMT
    Similar question just asked - see:
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2888324

    Not a good idea unless you really want to be in the military, even for only a few years. You could end up like your friend who got killed while deployed (just by being at the wrong place at the wrong time for one instant), or worse yet, come back with no legs or half a brain. Investigate thoroughly. And if you just want the military, there are other services - the Navy and Air Force.
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    Jan 03, 2013 11:22 PM GMT
    ...not to mention the Marines, Coast Guard, and the oft-forgotten Merchant Marines.
  • TheBizMan

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    Jan 03, 2013 11:33 PM GMT
    Joining the Marines or the Army is risky business. You're greatest chance of seeing combat or being deployed is in those 2 branches. I'd recommend the air force if you want the perks of the military while still being able to stay stateside and accomplish other goals in life.
  • imbrad

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    Jan 04, 2013 3:38 AM GMT
    SkinnyBitch saidWhat is it about going to war that makes you think it will give you "guarantees in life"?


    I would be able to finish my degrees with more focus and their money. The financial burden of going to school would be supplemented. Not to mention the training and experience that are valuable in the workforce after the army.

    suetonius saidNot a good idea unless you really want to be in the military, even for only a few years. You could end up like your friend who got killed while deployed (just by being at the wrong place at the wrong time for one instant), or worse yet, come back with no legs or half a brain. Investigate thoroughly. And if you just want the military, there are other services - the Navy and Air Force.


    Of course I have thought about injury or mortality... I guess it doesn't really scare me. Again I feel that it would be a valuable experience beyond those posibilities.

    There has been some decent advice here. Any more is always welcome. This is really coming out of a place of contemplation and trying to shift the direction of my life in a positive way. This might be the one but i'm not sure yet.
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    Jan 04, 2013 3:38 AM GMT
    no
  • imbrad

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    Jan 04, 2013 3:39 AM GMT
    McQueen saidno


    just no? ok haha
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    Jan 04, 2013 3:41 AM GMT
    imbrad said
    McQueen saidno
    just no? ok haha
    you don't want to hear my opinion in full detail but don't do it unless you're ready to kiss your ass goodbye and have fun being dead.
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    Jan 04, 2013 3:44 AM GMT
    TheBizMan saidJoining the Marines or the Army is risky business. You're greatest chance of seeing combat or being deployed is in those 2 branches. I'd recommend the air force if you want the perks of the military while still being able to stay stateside and accomplish other goals in life.


    Not really I was Air Force and I was deployed more times than some of my Army friends, eventhough the AF works on a rotating Bucket.

    There is a lot of misconception of the modern US Air Force that we just sat around and did nothing. Most of the time the AF and USN operate in the Background and that usually goes unreported to the general public.

    Not to mention the Air Force operates in South Korea where it is a constant threat of war with the North.

    The chances of you staying home to finish school is slim because you have upgrade training that needs to be finished before you can get approved to attend private classes, and you are always in upgrade training. It is actually hard to finish school while active duty. My suggestion OP is finish school then go in so you can also get a commission.
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    Jan 04, 2013 3:44 AM GMT
    I was in the Army for a few years and I don't regret it, it was a good experience; so my advice is do it, but only do it for a few years (unless you really love it).
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    Jan 04, 2013 3:45 AM GMT
    Adam_ saidI was in the Army for a few years and I don't regret it, it was a good experience; so my advice is do it, but only do it for a few years (unless you really love it).


    +1
  • imbrad

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    Jan 04, 2013 3:47 AM GMT
    Oh and thanks for that other post with almost the same topic from last week. Good advice on that thread too. Just to be clear, I am not a dropout... just looking for direction. Trying to find traction to move forward with life.
  • Pyathan6

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    Jan 04, 2013 3:48 AM GMT
    As a Navy guy myself, the armed forces is and admirable career path and will set you up for the rest of your life if you play your cards right. Yes, one has to deal with the deployments and the commitments it brings but the bads dont outweigh the benefits. My suggestion would be finish your degree and put in an officer package, when you talk to your recruiter, because you will get a recruiter, make sure you get the job that you really want. The job makes all the difference in the world.

    Hope this helps, any questions feel free to shoot them my way.icon_smile.gif
  • imbrad

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    Jan 04, 2013 3:52 AM GMT
    McQueen said
    imbrad said
    McQueen saidno
    just no? ok haha
    you don't want to hear my opinion in full detail but don't do it unless you're ready to kiss your ass goodbye and have fun being dead.


    You're right... I don't want to hear your opinion if you aren't capable of having a respectful discussion. It would be nice to have an opinion from a canadian that might have a different perspective from a US citizen but... don't disrespect the sacrifice of our citizens.
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    Jan 04, 2013 3:52 AM GMT
    Alright, here it is, do whatever you want to do. If you want to join and you really are ready to join then do it. Now, many people as well as television will have you think that all the Army and Marines is just the gun slinging infantrymen. Well its not. There are a ton of jobs that you can do in the military. My advice to you is to try and get a job that you can do in the civilian world. There's careers in the medical field, law, intelligence, police force, dentistry, xray tech, communications, etc. There's so many out there to choose from. Now in order to get these jobs, you'll have to score exceptionally well on the ASVAB under whatever section.

    When you go to see the recruiter, take someone who knows the ropes or is in the military before you make a choice. Some recruiters will feed you bull just to get the numbers. Don't let them trick you or you'll regret it for the remainder of your career. Also, just because you will deploy to combat zones, doesn't mean you'll ever see any combat action, So don't let these people scare you into not joining for a fear of dying. I'm sure everyone that deploys does not die...in fact I'm positive of that. If they did, then we wouldn't have a military would we? Best of luck to you.

    -Corey
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    Jan 04, 2013 3:54 AM GMT
    imbrad saidYou're right... I don't want to hear your opinion if you aren't capable of having a respectful discussion. It would be nice to have an opinion from a canadian that might have a different perspective from a US citizen but... don't disrespect the sacrifice of our citizens.
    Just to be clear, you aren't fighting for the freedom of your country. Everybody outside of your country knows this.
  • Pyathan6

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    Jan 04, 2013 3:55 AM GMT
    McQueen said
    imbrad saidYou're right... I don't want to hear your opinion if you aren't capable of having a respectful discussion. It would be nice to have an opinion from a canadian that might have a different perspective from a US citizen but... don't disrespect the sacrifice of our citizens.
    Just to be clear, you aren't fighting for the freedom of your country. Everybody outside of your country knows this.


    BOO, get off the stage... this is all your opinion
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    Jan 04, 2013 3:56 AM GMT
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    McQueen said
    imbrad saidYou're right... I don't want to hear your opinion if you aren't capable of having a respectful discussion. It would be nice to have an opinion from a canadian that might have a different perspective from a US citizen but... don't disrespect the sacrifice of our citizens.
    Just to be clear, you aren't fighting for the freedom of your country. Everybody outside of your country knows this.
    BOO, get off the stage... this is all your opinion
    Tell me exactly, who's threatening the freedom of America? Who's invading your country?
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    Jan 04, 2013 3:57 AM GMT
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    imbrad saidYou're right... I don't want to hear your opinion if you aren't capable of having a respectful discussion. It would be nice to have an opinion from a canadian that might have a different perspective from a US citizen but... don't disrespect the sacrifice of our citizens.
    Just to be clear, you aren't fighting for the freedom of your country. Everybody outside of your country knows this.

    If you join the military, you'll have to put up with this ^^ for the rest of your life. Just be proud of the things that YOU'VE seen and done, not what anyone else thinks.
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    Jan 04, 2013 3:58 AM GMT
    McQueen said
    Pyathan6 said
    McQueen said
    imbrad saidYou're right... I don't want to hear your opinion if you aren't capable of having a respectful discussion. It would be nice to have an opinion from a canadian that might have a different perspective from a US citizen but... don't disrespect the sacrifice of our citizens.
    Just to be clear, you aren't fighting for the freedom of your country. Everybody outside of your country knows this.
    BOO, get off the stage... this is all your opinion
    Tell me exactly, who's threatening the freedom of America? Who's invading your country?


    Anti-Western Muslim terrorist organizations
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    huhwhat saidIf you join the military, you'll have to put up with this ^^ for the rest of your life. Just be proud of the things that YOU'VE seen and done, not what anyone else thinks.
    but why put your life on the line just because your government and media lies to you?
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    Jan 04, 2013 3:59 AM GMT
    I suggest sending a private message to the gentlemen who've responded who are either active duty or prior service. I think you'll get some great perspective.

    Military service is not my calling; thank you to hanzo, rondan, Adam, pyathan, and those for whom it is. You are appreciated.
  • imbrad

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    Jan 04, 2013 4:00 AM GMT
    McQueen said
    Pyathan6 said
    McQueen said
    imbrad saidYou're right... I don't want to hear your opinion if you aren't capable of having a respectful discussion. It would be nice to have an opinion from a canadian that might have a different perspective from a US citizen but... don't disrespect the sacrifice of our citizens.
    Just to be clear, you aren't fighting for the freedom of your country. Everybody outside of your country knows this.
    BOO, get off the stage... this is all your opinion
    Tell me exactly, who's threatening the freedom of America? Who's invading your country?


    The complexities of America's role (good and bad) in the middle east, europe and the far east are massive. I have no thirst for blood or desire to prolong any wars. I also understand that war is inevitable. I am not trying to justify war here... simply trying to get a better idea of what i could learn from service; how i can be a better person and what I could possibly contribute.