America: So what's with the whole healthcare fight?

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    Jan 03, 2013 9:31 PM GMT
    Some years back a relative of mine was hospitalized for three months and we didn't pay a red cent...
    Obviously American healthcare is very modern and high-quality. And my healthcare isn't perfect. And then you hear about the horror stories of American people's insurance companies doing everything possible to worm out of having to pay for treatment. Or my friend's cousin who moved to Texas and had to have a million dollars-worth of treatment for a condition discovered after their Saskatchewan healthcare ran out.
    Are some politicians simply kissing the insurance companies' asses? Is there some sort of remnant of that 1950s Communist hysteria?
  • Menergy_1

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    Jan 03, 2013 9:46 PM GMT
    some supporting reasons for starters (sarcasm alert on, please):

    1. If you get sick, you must have abandoned Jesus and so deserve it. Pray harder!
    2. I've got mine, fuck you. You people need to pull yourselves up by your bootstraps and take care of your problems yourselves, without "handouts" from MY taxes or personal healthcare payments/funds.
    3. Keep your socialist government hands off my health care (except for Medicare of course) - or conversely, just gut Medicare 'cause they're all old folks and gonna die soon - we hope
    4. Those who can't afford comprehensive health care insurance plans, too bad. Maybe you'll get over whatever it is, but I'm not paying for the health care bill.
    5. Join the free health care at the emergency room, you slackers! (disregarding that the costs for all the paying patients goes up to absorb the losses to the indigents/immigrants/those without affordable insurance at all, of course)
    6. It's the bottom line for health insurance companies - they are in business to make money, by whatever tight-fisted means possible. What are you, un-American?

    etc.
  • thadjock

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    Jan 03, 2013 10:04 PM GMT
    Maybe if the US didn't have to shoulder the total burden of providing military defense for the entire free world, we could afford all the cozy little luxuries you canadians are always bragging about.

    becuz the US spends 5% of our GDP on military,

    canada can slack off and only spend 1.4% of it's GDP on military. using the rest for candyland healthcare.



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    Jan 04, 2013 3:11 PM GMT
    thadjock saidMaybe if the US didn't have to shoulder the total burden of providing military defense for the entire free world, we could afford all the cozy little luxuries you canadians are always bragging about.

    becuz the US spends 5% of our GDP on military,

    canada can slack off and only spend 1.4% of it's GDP on military. using the rest for candyland healthcare.





    Very good point. I read something similar in the Economist that basically part of the reason why the debt in Europe is not too far off as a percentage of GDP to the US, while still providing more services, is because of our military expenditure. For example France has a public debt to gdp ratio of 82% while ours is 102%. France also spends roughly 2% of its gdp on defense. The 5% figure only represents the total from the DOD, thus not any other department which aids in defense (such as intelligence, nuclear maintenance, debt on past wars, veterans, military development). Those ancillary duties are done by the CIA, Homeland Security, Dept of Energy, Treasury Dept, Veterans Affairs, and the State Dept.

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    Jan 04, 2013 8:28 PM GMT
    America: So What's with the Whole Healthcare fight?

    In a word? It's called the republican party
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    Jan 04, 2013 9:19 PM GMT
    GQjock saidAmerica: So What's with the Whole Healthcare fight?

    In a word? It's called the republican party


    Yeah, we should just let the democrats spend us to oblivion!!
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    Jan 04, 2013 10:11 PM GMT
    Blakes7 said
    GQjock saidAmerica: So What's with the Whole Healthcare fight?

    In a word? It's called the republican party


    Yeah, we should just let the democrats spend us to oblivion!!


    Yet, despite ad campaigns from the Republicans, it seems the opposite is true,
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    Jan 05, 2013 1:50 PM GMT
    Blakes7 said
    GQjock saidAmerica: So What's with the Whole Healthcare fight?

    In a word? It's called the republican party


    Yeah, we should just let the democrats spend us to oblivion!!

    Except the corrupt and hypocritical republicans always overspend, grow government and get us into unpaid wars. Oh well.
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    Jan 05, 2013 2:03 PM GMT
    GQjock saidAmerica: So What's with the Whole Healthcare fight?

    In a word? It's called the republican party

    And the business interests that support it. There are too many companies making money on the current overpriced US health system for the politicians they support to want to change to something else that makes less profit.

    Remember, most US national politicians listen to lobbyists and major campaign contributors (aka bribers), not to the ordinary electorate. Unless you flash some green at a US politician you aren't gonna be heard. Both parties do it, but the Republicans are the worst, and the most obedient to corporation wishes.
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    Jan 05, 2013 4:37 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    Absolutely. I'm very happy that the popular "Obamacare" law really sticks it to "big health insurance." No more gravy train for them!


    uh, yeah this is sarcasm right?
    the big Insurance co's wrote the bill, they got everything they wanted, without any cost reform measures. epic fail on BO's part, i can only hope he let this happen like a trojan horse and it's the beginning of the path to single payer, otherwise i'll be mad as marvin martian.
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    Jan 05, 2013 5:13 PM GMT
    Aress said
    Are some politicians simply kissing the insurance companies' asses? Is there some sort of remnant of that 1950s Communist hysteria?


    Bottom line: it´s all about the Benjamins.

    To make that sound palatable (as not all conservatives quite have the nerve to say outright that they don´t give a fuck if you die) it is wrapped in the same tired cant about small government etc etc etc. But it´s really about the profits of the insurance companies. Anyone who says otherwise is probably paid by the insurance companies. It genuinely threatens America´s status as a First World country.
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    Jan 05, 2013 6:07 PM GMT
    Blakes7 said
    GQjock saidAmerica: So What's with the Whole Healthcare fight?

    In a word? It's called the republican party


    Yeah, we should just let the democrats spend us to oblivion!!


    Umm .... have you just woke up from a deep dark Coma?
    Were you dropped on your head as a child?

    What on Earth do you base your statement on and Where did you get your information from because
    ..... if you would do something like actually check where the spending has come from?
    It's been BY FAR from the last republican Presidents
    ..... and oh .... remember the President who was hounded for naught in the Nineties>
    You remember the balanced budget surplus guy

    Whatever happened to that surplus

    That spending myth you republicans try and use everytime we bring up government spending .... it's as much a myth a Santa Clus
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    Jan 05, 2013 6:11 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    ART_DECO said
    GQjock saidAmerica: So What's with the Whole Healthcare fight?

    In a word? It's called the republican party

    And the business interests that support it. There are too many companies making money on the current overpriced US health system for the politicians they support to want to change to something else that makes less profit.

    Remember, most US national politicians listen to lobbyists and major campaign contributors (aka bribers), not to the ordinary electorate. Unless you flash some green at a US politician you aren't gonna be heard. Both parties do it, but the Republicans are the worst, and the most obedient to corporation wishes.


    Absolutely. I'm very happy that the popular "Obamacare" law really sticks it to "big health insurance." No more gravy train for them!


    Don't get me wrong Tinkerbell
    I would MUCH rather have universal Healthcare as single payer
    But the political will ain't there .... YET
    This is just the start
    Now that the republicans are brandishing themselves as politically toxic ie: Boehner and crew ... have you checked the polls recently
    that is gonna be much sooner than later
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    Jan 05, 2013 8:23 PM GMT
    smartmoney said
    Blakes7 said
    GQjock saidAmerica: So What's with the Whole Healthcare fight?

    In a word? It's called the republican party


    Yeah, we should just let the democrats spend us to oblivion!!

    Except the corrupt and hypocritical republicans always overspend, grow government and get us into unpaid wars. Oh well.


    I thought the whole fight was about trying to reduce spending, and when they give in, you shove it up their asses anyway. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. The democrat party is like some hysterical woman, NEVER satisfied.
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    Jan 12, 2013 9:27 PM GMT
    thadjock saidMaybe if the US didn't have to shoulder the total burden of providing military defense for the entire free world, we could afford all the cozy little luxuries you canadians are always bragging about.

    becuz the US spends 5% of our GDP on military,

    canada can slack off and only spend 1.4% of it's GDP on military. using the rest for candyland healthcare.




    Then why don't you stop shouldering the burden for the "free world"?
    It's a problem you created
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    Jan 13, 2013 12:15 AM GMT
    Everyone keeps ragging on the insurance companies.. How come not one person here ever rags on the hospitals themselves?

    Most are "for profit" and have shareholders. It is the hospitals management and boards of directors who push the doctors and staff who work there to recommend all these unnecessary and very costly procedures to increase their profits margins
    When you are coerced into paying more for a procedure at a hospital than is necessary and the insurance company is going to pay for it, then of course the insurance company is going to increase premiums across the board.