THE PALIN WOMAN: (Pt. III) With the Economic Crisis, is the Palin woman on here way out as a big plus for the McCain campaign??

  • HndsmKansan

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    Sep 21, 2008 4:05 PM GMT
    With real issues over the last week, the Palin woman and all the lipstick
    and other debates the previous week look ridiculous. With the shift in the polls and real issues at hand, is the Palin woman on her way out as any big plus for the right wingers???
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    Sep 21, 2008 4:10 PM GMT
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    Sep 21, 2008 4:24 PM GMT
    i guess we'll have to see how the GOP spins everything and avoids the rest. LOL.
    The "republican machine" is a very formidable ( and shady) one and unfortunately many Americans are easily fooled and don't want to be confused with the facts....so they still may be able to pull some sort of benefit out of all the mess. The fact is...who (and what Party) has been in office while all this mess was being enabled and this economic fiasco has been brewing? Who has had the bad management and starkly poor policies to allow this to happen?
    It's really plain to see...but again....with enough of the continued "dog and pony shows" ....the Republicans may be able to make themselves look like heroes for somehow fixing the very mess they pretty much created. And many Americans will eat it up by the spoonful.
    Unfortunately, the dominoes are not done falling yet...that's the sad part.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Sep 21, 2008 8:45 PM GMT
    Yes, and the DEMS play by the rules ALL the time, no spin there -- Uh-Huh - BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAicon_rolleyes.gif
  • Barricade

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    Sep 21, 2008 8:57 PM GMT
    Can't wait to see how they all do at the debates.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Sep 21, 2008 9:01 PM GMT
    True...I have a feeling it's going to get nasty in the debates. They are going to really be crucial this year
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    Sep 21, 2008 9:02 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidTrue...I have a feeling it's going to get nasty

    GOING TO???icon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gif
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    Sep 21, 2008 9:20 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidTrue...I have a feeling it's going to get nasty in the debates. They are going to really be crucial this year


    It's going to get nasty for Palin, who is about as qualified to debate Biden as is a stump.

    It's going to get nasty for McCain, who has to distance himself as much as possible from the failures of Bush while still trying to divide the country on conservative issues.

    It's going to get nasty for McCain if they ask him to defend the lies he has been espousing in his ads.

    The sad thing is that despite their incompetence, the Bushies have hijacked the McCain campaign to a large extent. His only hope is to openly repudiate them, their policies, and their tactics. Is he has any honor left, he'll use the debate to do it.

    It would be nice to see a true maverick, a true conservative, instead of the lame excuse McCain is becoming. Even the Republicans saw it in the primaries-- it's sad to watch them pretending otherwise now that he's the nominee.

  • MuslDrew

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    Sep 21, 2008 10:06 PM GMT
    I personally enjoyed Gov. Palin referring to a Palin/McCain administration the other day.
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    Sep 21, 2008 10:15 PM GMT
    I wouldn't be so sure Obama and Biden are going to come out that well in the debates, although I hope so. Obama was pretty lackluster in the primary debates. McCain is a good extemporaneous speaker and so is Palin, apparently.

    Moreover, they have utterly no reluctance to reduce issues either to character attacks or simplistic and fictional sound bytes. If there's no effective follow-up to responses in the debate, I'm not counting on Obama and Biden to come out that well. I mean, the only aggressive challenge of McCain by media types I've seen so far was by the women on the View.

    I hope I'm wrong.
  • coolarmydude

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    Sep 21, 2008 10:32 PM GMT
    It'll be something like this at the debates:

  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Sep 21, 2008 10:43 PM GMT
    tanktop said
    CuriousJockAZ saidTrue...I have a feeling it's going to get nasty in the debates. They are going to really be crucial this year


    It's going to get nasty for Palin, who is about as qualified to debate Biden as is a stump.

    It's going to get nasty for McCain, who has to distance himself as much as possible from the failures of Bush while still trying to divide the country on conservative issues.

    It's going to get nasty for McCain if they ask him to defend the lies he has been espousing in his ads.

    The sad thing is that despite their incompetence, the Bushies have hijacked the McCain campaign to a large extent. His only hope is to openly repudiate them, their policies, and their tactics. Is he has any honor left, he'll use the debate to do it.

    It would be nice to see a true maverick, a true conservative, instead of the lame excuse McCain is becoming. Even the Republicans saw it in the primaries-- it's sad to watch them pretending otherwise now that he's the nominee.




    I think it would be a big mistake to underestimate Governor Palin's potential in the debate. Let's not forget that, for many, she comes across as down-to-earth and thus extremely likeable, to where Biden can often-times be pompous, condescending, and arrogant. The only thing more important in the debates than WHAT THEY SAY will be HOW THEY SAY IT.

    Don't kid yourself, there are plenty of areas where it could get nasty for Obama during the debates as well. He's not nearly as polished when he doesn't have the teleprompter there to help him, and his voting record and past associations could come back to bite him when/if a light is shined upon them. He will also have to justify his tax increases to the rich (i.e. small businesses and corporations) at a time when small businesses and corporations are hurting. This could trip him up, as could his plan to have the government take over health insurance -- something many Americans are not in favor of.

    I think what really irks me the most in these forums is when people come here and post something like "She's an idiot", or "He's a moron"...blah-blah-blah which, in my opinion, sounds juvenile as if "THAT is the best you can do?". Say what you want about any of these candidates on either side, but the fact of the matter is that they are all where they are right now because they are bright, hard-working, honorable people in one way or another. They didn't get to this point by being idiots, or stupid, or lacking in talent. So, I say, watch the debates with an "OPEN MIND", as I certainly will, and give each candidate the respect they deserve to have their moment and be heard.
  • coolarmydude

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    Sep 21, 2008 10:49 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said, "I think what really irks me the most in these forums is when people come here and post something like "She's an idiot", or "He's a moron"...blah-blah-blah which, in my opinion, sounds juvenile as if "THAT is the best you can do?". Say what you want about any of these candidates on either side, but the fact of the matter is that they are all where they are right now because they are bright, hard-working, honorable people in one way or another. They didn't get to this point by being idiots, or stupid, or lacking in talent. So, I say, watch the debates with an "OPEN MIND", as I certainly will, and give each candidate the respect they deserve to have their moment and be heard."


    Bush proves your point wrong. If he can be President, anyone can under the right conditions and influences.
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    Sep 21, 2008 11:15 PM GMT
    A chimpanzee would be better than a Democrat. Do you understand how this "Economic Mess" got started? There is no way no how you can blame this on the Republicans.

    This mess got started in the Clinton administration, he appointed his Whitehouse budget director Franklin Delano Raines to the CEO of FNME (Fannie Mae), he also appointed Jamie Gorelick, former assistant attorney general under Janet Reno was also appointed to FNME.

    This cute couple used the obscure "Community Reinvestment Act of 1977" to grant subprime mortgages. They're called subprime because it's a miracle if they're ever paid back. Most banks in their right mind won't grant them. But, FNME wrote up a lot of them, not a few hundred but hundreds of thousands of them. The more they write up earns Raines and Gorelick get a fat bonus.
    Raines got a bonus of $50 Million and Raines $26 Million. They sold these mortgages to other banks and financial institutions because they looked like a good long term investment. They looked good because Raines and Gorelick were cooking the books. On top of this, they paid off Senators Chris Dodd, Barrack Obama and John Kerry.

    In 2005 the Republicans tried to stop this mess, they introduced the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act, which never made it to the floor for a vote because it was blocked by the Democrats. I'm not sure if the Democrats deliberately tried to sabotage the country's economy or just tried to steal from it. Either way, you Democrats own this financial mess. It's all you.


    Jamie Gorelick also has a colorful past. As the assistant attorney general in the Clinton administration, she is the person who put up the "Wall". She prevented federal intelligence and law enforcement agencies from communicating with one another. She blocked the FBI from obtaining a FISA warrant to search the computer of Zacharias Moussaoui before the 9/11 attacks but after the 1993 WTC bombing. She pulled FBI agents off of the 9/11 hijackers because of "Racial Profiling".
    She was later named a member of the 9/11 commission, by Democrats of course. That is the reason the Bush administration refused to cooperate, Jamie couldn't be trusted with classified information. John Ashcroft commented that she should have been a witness, not a part of the commission.

    Raines and Gorelick deserve a lifeprison term.

    Yep, a Chimpanzee, even a slug would be a better VP for keeping our economy strong compared to any Democrat.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Sep 21, 2008 11:23 PM GMT
    coolarmydude said

    Bush proves your point wrong. If he can be President, anyone can under the right conditions and influences.


    Well, you can hate Bush all you want, call him a moron, stupid, idiot, have at it, but it doesn't make it true. Bush may be many things, but he is no dummy either. He's been the President of the United States for 8 years, arguably the toughest, not to mention most THANKLESS, job known to mankind. Why anyone would want to be President is beyond me.
  • redheaded_dud...

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    Sep 21, 2008 11:30 PM GMT
    Just a side note: I remember back in the day... say, May.... when I referred to the former runner-for-the-nomination as "Hillary", while referring to "Obama" and "McCain". Boy, did I get grilled for misogyny and sexism for that. So now we've delicately moved on to not just "The Palin Woman" but parts 1, 2 and 3!

    How times have changed since May.

    (And by the way, "Hillary" had that name on her bumper stickers. I have yet to see a "McCain / That Palin Woman" bumper sticker).
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    Sep 21, 2008 11:33 PM GMT
    who's been in power the last 8 years? who's been running the Fed and the Treasury and who has been setting and significantly changing policy to enable this mess for the last 8 years? Who has been vying for and getting unprecedented expansion of power and who are the same people that are going to give that MAJOR crook Paulsen ( Sect. of Treasury) even more unprecedented power? And who has, for the last 2 years been setting up complete immunity for themselves from being brought up on any charges?
    Hmmmmm......

    Sorry...nice try.


    And for those who have the extremely misguided mindset that it would be better to have a monkey in office than a Democrat...well...that sort of thinking is just inane, misguided, and got the US into all these messes in the first place.

    But, hey, if you wanna live under a rock and close your eyes, ears, and mind, then there isn't much that can be discussed with ya.
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    Sep 21, 2008 11:37 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidYes, and the DEMS play by the rules ALL the time, no spin there -- Uh-Huh - BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAicon_rolleyes.gif



    I think the Republicans have more than adequately demonstrated that they are much better at shadow government.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Sep 22, 2008 12:58 AM GMT
    John43620 saidA chimpanzee would be better than a Democrat. Do you understand how this "Economic Mess" got started? There is no way no how you can blame this on the Republicans.

    Yep, a Chimpanzee, even a slug would be a better VP for keeping our economy strong compared to any Democrat.



    Of course we can blame it on the republicans, because they created the atmosphere (with deregulation) to make it so.....

    I wonder if in 1929 some deranged republican said.... Its the democrats fault for this (temporary economic slowdown.....while other republicans called the 1929 economy "thriving"..). after all Woodrow Wilson was president in 1921 and he's a damned democrat...

    I really can't believe that someone can say what John did with a straight face... with any degree of credibility after the deficit spending of this idiot.. after the surplus of the Clinton years (which of course prior to was deficit spending of the Republicans...
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    Sep 22, 2008 3:34 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said


    " Well, you can hate Bush all you want, call him a moron, stupid, idiot, have at it, but it doesn't make it true. Bush may be many things, but he is no dummy either. .
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    you got that damn right....the guy is a frickin' CROOK and knows how to play the "good ol' simple guy who loves God" routine really well when the heat is on and while stealing from the American people right and left.
    The other times...well...those times he is just drunk.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Sep 22, 2008 3:50 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan said
    John43620 saidA chimpanzee would be better than a Democrat. Do you understand how this "Economic Mess" got started? There is no way no how you can blame this on the Republicans.

    Yep, a Chimpanzee, even a slug would be a better VP for keeping our economy strong compared to any Democrat.



    Of course we can blame it on the republicans, because they created the atmosphere (with deregulation) to make it so.....

    I wonder if in 1929 some deranged republican said.... Its the democrats fault for this (temporary economic slowdown.....while other republicans called the 1929 economy "thriving"..). after all Woodrow Wilson was president in 1921 and he's a damned democrat...

    I really can't believe that someone can say what John did with a straight face... with any degree of credibility after the deficit spending of this idiot.. after the surplus of the Clinton years (which of course prior to was deficit spending of the Republicans...



    Chris, you love to simplify everything, like it's just black or white and, sorry, but in "The Real World" there is a great big place called "The Gray Area". You can't give Clinton all the credit for the 90's prosperity anymore than you can give Bush the blame for the troubled 8 years of his presidency. I suppose you can, but it just isn't that simple. So many other factors are in play that influence everything, and the blame game more often than not is sort of ridiculous.

    I saw a really interesting interview last night with Donald Trump on CNN w/ Larry King and while, granted, it was only Donald Trump's opinion and, granted, he is a McCain supporter, but he made a very good case for why the very real fact of the matter is that there is plenty of blame to go around. The most important point he made, and I totally agree with this, is that more than anything it's just "The Sign of the Times" -- it's where the world has ended up at any given moment in time, and it's not really anyone's fault per se, it's just the way things turn out at any given moment and like any challenge, it simply has to be overcome. People always want someone to blame but, in reality, in terms of what the economy is going through right now, no one is to blame AND everyone is to blame.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Sep 22, 2008 4:02 PM GMT
    Cute response Todd...

    I like to refer to the 1920's era because the results DIRECTLY OPPOSE
    what you just stated about, "the sign of the times"... While we are not
    in the 1920's, we had a sustained period of Republicanism in the White House, a sustained period of unregulated economic activitity and a "hands off approach" by a do nothing president (Hoover). While Hoover can't be blamed for the depression... he (like Bush) encouraged the atmosphere
    (with deregulation.. or "no regulation" with Hoover... with a "hands off" approach... Fortunately, unlike the 1929 economic crises, we are electing to do something now. I don't blame Bush for this current situation, but it adds to the long list of negative things that happened under his watch... it isn't "a sign of the times"!
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Sep 22, 2008 4:18 PM GMT
    Hmmmmm...Gosh, Chris, I'm sure you're a bright guy and all, but I tend to listen to people like Donald Trump (not that anything he says is "The Gospel", but...) as if they actually know what they are talking about. I mean, c'mon, he's "The Donald"! icon_lol.gif
  • HndsmKansan

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    Sep 22, 2008 4:22 PM GMT
    Well Todd..... if I remember last week your comment to me was about the state of the economy...

    And you said that the economy (and I'll be fair) maybe it was "parts of the economy.. WERE THRIVING!!!! And that you listen to economists and those in the know.. ... then I pointed out in my Greenspan thread his views.. and then we had last week.

    and I know, you probably think the fundamentals of the economy are strong,
    taking a page from McCain..... but its cool.. even Trump went bankrupt.. seems appropropriate considering your republican views.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Sep 22, 2008 4:36 PM GMT
    The fundamentals of our economy are strong and our economy will weather this storm like they have all the others. That's not to say that parts of the economy are not currently in shambles -- of course they are -- and, in true fashion, the media is participating in scaring the crap out of everybody, when really everyone needs to just take a deep breath and ride this out. When all is said and done, and the dust settles, this may end up being a long overdue CLEANSING of a much needed overhauled economy anyway.