Question for McCain Supporters?

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    Sep 21, 2008 9:26 PM GMT
    Marriage Equality, DADT, adoption, hate crimes may not be at the top of your list.

    But surely as a gay man you do care about sex, right?

    Well, isn't voting for McCain a vote in the direction of criminalizing gay sex "sodomy" 3 of the supreme court justices currently would rule to overturn Lawrence V Texas.

    Now in this crucial election we cannot afford anymore right-wing fanatics on the bench. If McShame and Failin come to power, they may place an extremely fanatic homophobe to the courts and tip the balance to once against make sodomy illegal.

    So to all of you republican gays out there, if you are thinking with your head and voting for Obama, atleast think about the other head and vote for Obama.
  • MuslDrew

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    Sep 21, 2008 10:19 PM GMT
    Which 3 justices?
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    Sep 21, 2008 10:47 PM GMT
    MuslDrew saidWhich 3 justices?


    Without waiting for the answer, I would guess Thomas without a doubt (forgive the pun), Scalia and likely Roberts.

    This makes a good point, since too many selfish gays say: "Issues like gay marriage and adoption rights don't concern me, so I don't care what happens to the gay rights of others." But the same people who would deny those rights to gays would also have you arrested for anal sex, and allow you to be fired from your job for being gay, evicted from your apartment for the same reason (already legal in North Dakota), and discriminated against in countless other ways.

    But hey, some gays reply, I have a nice income, and the Republicans say they're responsible for my prosperity. And if you believe that, then you believe your Christmas presents come from a fat guy in a red suit who squeezes down your chimney each December.
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    Sep 21, 2008 10:49 PM GMT
    Nice try pal. If the Democrats weren't supporters of terrorists and communists I might consider them.
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    Sep 21, 2008 10:54 PM GMT
    John didnt you take your meds this weekend? I will make sure to send your the GOP Soma pills.

    the DNC does not suppor terrorist or communist.

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    Sep 21, 2008 10:56 PM GMT
    John43620 saidNice try pal. If the Democrats weren't supporters of terrorists and communists I might consider them.


    Aren't the terrorizers the so called "family values" republicans? And as for communism, I have never seen a bigger government than in this current republican administration.
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    Sep 21, 2008 10:57 PM GMT
    From the perspective of the right wing ..

    Supreme Court is NOT a Conservative Court (YET!!) as the N.Y. Times Claims

    http://www.cc.org/blog/supreme_court_not_conservative_court_yet_ny_times_claimsAnd to prove the fact that the Supreme Court is not conservative (yet,) Mr. Taylor says: {On} six of the most contentious subjects that come before the justices on a recurring basis: abortion, race, religion, the death penalty, gay rights, and presidential war powers. On every one of them, the Court's precedents are to the left of, or very close to, the center."

    Several of the current Supreme Court Justices are in their 70s and left-wing Justice John Paul Stevens is 88 years old followed by former ACLU executive and ultra-liberal Ruth Bader Ginsburg at age 75!l There could not be a more important election than the presidential election this November.

    So you can see that the christian coalition/rightwing see this as an important election too! What is it that they fear??

    http://www.cc.org/blog/supreme_court_not_conservative_court_yet_ny_times_claimsIf a left-wing President is elected, this is what Curt Levy from the Committee for Justice expects from an even more liberal Supreme Court:

    * #10 – expanding and perpetuating the use of racial preferences
    * #9 – creating new constitutional rights to physician-assisted suicide and human cloning
    * #8 – expanding judicial oversight of military detentions and CIA interrogations
    * #7 – prohibiting tuition vouchers for religious schools
    * #6 – banning the death penalty
    * #5 – requiring taxpayers to fund essentially unlimited abortion rights
    * #4 – creating new constitutional rights to massive government welfare and medical care programs
    * #3 – stripping "under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance
    * #2 – eroding property rights
    * #1 – ordering all 50 states to bless gay marriage


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    Sep 21, 2008 11:02 PM GMT
    Yeah and the neo-fascist cons on the court are pretty young, so thats scary. Long Live Ruth Ginsberg!
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    Sep 21, 2008 11:05 PM GMT
    McCain's Capitulation to the Religious Right Now Complete
    http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/mccains-capitulation-religious-right-now-completeI can say without exaggeration that, in all my years of watching the Right, I have never seen them as excited about anything as they are about the Palin nomination. Nor, for that matter, have I ever seen a prominent politician more blatantly capitulate to their demands:

    James Dobson, Focus on the Family: "A lot of people were praying, and I believe Sarah Palin is God's answer.”
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    Sep 21, 2008 11:12 PM GMT
    hippie4lyfe saidMarriage Equality, DADT, adoption, hate crimes may not be at the top of your list.

    But surely as a gay man you do care about sex, right?

    Well, isn't voting for McCain a vote in the direction of criminalizing gay sex "sodomy" 3 of the supreme court justices currently would rule to overturn Lawrence V Texas.

    Now in this crucial election we cannot afford anymore right-wing fanatics on the bench. If McShame and Failin come to power, they may place an extremely fanatic homophobe to the courts and tip the balance to once against make sodomy illegal.

    So to all of you republican gays out there, if you are thinking with your head and voting for Obama, atleast think about the other head and vote for Obama.


    Personally, I think these sorts of posts, and concerns, are not only silly, but just plain ludicrous. McCain doesn't hate gays, and I seriously doubt that Palin does either. Heck, they probably have someone gay in their own family. Lighten up on this "Republicans Hate Gays" crap because that's all it is -- CRAP! I have absolutely no doubt that Supreme Court Justices will NOT be taking us back to the stone age either. It makes no sense. Y'all need to stop being a bunch of paranoids and try thinking past your freaking gayness. You act like Republicans spend their every waking moment trying to figure out how they're going to stick it to the gays. It's almost embarrassing.
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    Sep 21, 2008 11:44 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidPersonally, I think these sorts of posts, and concerns, are not only silly, but just plain ludicrous. McCain doesn't hate gays, and I seriously doubt that Palin does either. Heck, they probably have someone gay in their own family. Lighten up on this "Republicans Hate Gays" crap because that's all it is -- CRAP! I have absolutely no doubt that Supreme Court Justices will NOT be taking us back to the stone age either. It makes no sense. Y'all need to stop being a bunch of paranoids and try thinking past your freaking gayness. You act like Republicans spend their every waking moment trying to figure out how they're going to stick it to the gays. It's almost embarrassing.

    icon_eek.gifWhoa there! you are acting a little paranoid. No one said McCain hates gays or republicans hate gays.
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    Sep 21, 2008 11:48 PM GMT
    kind of hard to lighen up on "GOP hating gay crap" considering that the GOP oppose civil rights, marriage, civil union, equality for gays. So hating gay maybe or maybe just viewing us the same way Nazis viewed jews.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Sep 21, 2008 11:50 PM GMT
    Well, in two years the Democrats haven't exactly joined in on the Gay Pride Parade and made that much, if any, headway so what's your point?
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    Sep 21, 2008 11:52 PM GMT
    John43620 saidNice try pal. If the Democrats weren't supporters of terrorists and communists I might consider them.


    How can someone have such a narrow minded view of things? How are the democrats supporting terrorists and communists? Just because Bush decided to invade Iraq and Afghanistan under false pretense, does that erase all of the damage that his administration has done to this country over the past 8 years?

    You want to have people in the White House that think that being gay is a sin? That with prayer you can become straight? That killing animals for the sake of it is fun? That anyone who is not a white american is evil?

    I am not an Obama fan, I was pro-Hillary but I sure as hell would rather see Obama in the White House than a couple of "conservatives" that will further damage the reputation of this country, will set human rights (not just gay rights) back 100 years and will start a war with every country because it is "God's will".


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    Sep 21, 2008 11:54 PM GMT
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    hippie4lyfe saidMarriage Equality, DADT, adoption, hate crimes may not be at the top of your list.

    But surely as a gay man you do care about sex, right?

    Well, isn't voting for McCain a vote in the direction of criminalizing gay sex "sodomy" 3 of the supreme court justices currently would rule to overturn Lawrence V Texas.

    Now in this crucial election we cannot afford anymore right-wing fanatics on the bench. If McShame and Failin come to power, they may place an extremely fanatic homophobe to the courts and tip the balance to once against make sodomy illegal.

    So to all of you republican gays out there, if you are thinking with your head and voting for Obama, atleast think about the other head and vote for Obama.


    Personally, I think these sorts of posts, and concerns, are not only silly, but just plain ludicrous. McCain doesn't hate gays, and I seriously doubt that Palin does either. Heck, they probably have someone gay in their own family. Lighten up on this "Republicans Hate Gays" crap because that's all it is -- CRAP! I have absolutely no doubt that Supreme Court Justices will NOT be taking us back to the stone age either. It makes no sense. Y'all need to stop being a bunch of paranoids and try thinking past your freaking gayness. You act like Republicans spend their every waking moment trying to figure out how they're going to stick it to the gays. It's almost embarrassing.


    Dude..do you read the news? Have you not read what Palin has to say about gays and what her church stance is on gays? And no, don't say that her church's views are not her own..because if she goes there, she shares their views.
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    Sep 21, 2008 11:54 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidWell, in two years the Democrats haven't exactly joined in on the Gay Pride Parade and made that much, if any, headway so what's your point?


    But at least they are not trying to "limit" or completely abolish your rights...
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    Sep 22, 2008 12:19 AM GMT
    Interesting that Democrats are "supporters" of terrorists and communists (Communists??? That paranoia hasn't been heard for over 20 years), and yet the Republican administration of George Bush hasn't been able to take out Osama Bin Laden, seven years after 9-11.

    SEVEN YEARS!!! The 1941 attack on Pearl Harbor, which killed fewer people than 9-11, was avenged in half the time it's taken so far to invade & occupy a country unrelated to the WTC attack.

    If one were to judge as terrorist supporters those who fail to bring them to justice, then what greater supporter of terrorism is there than George Bush? Instead of quickly seeking them out in their own lairs, he takes the US on this disastrous detour into Iraq, where no terrorists related to 9-11 ever were. Results speak for themselves: more than 4000 additional Americans killed, and still no Bin Laden in our grasp, no Al-Qaeda destroyed.
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    Sep 22, 2008 12:31 AM GMT

    At age 23 I don't think you are quite old enough to know what a Hippie is much less be one. You are old enough to know when you are shimming someone. Let me give you an example of a shim.

    There is a guy in the little southern town I'm in this weekend who annoys the hell out of me. On schedule, meaning I've just sat down to dinner, he knocks on the rear door of my home. Tonight, he wants me to unlock my garage and loan him a lawn mower so he can cut grass up the street and earn enough bucks to purchase a pair of boots before work tomorow AM. Now mind you it's dark already. And it seems to me he should have those work boots I purchased 4 weeks ago when I feel for the first shim.

    And there was this evening when he needed a co-pay to pick up medication at the Kroger Pharmacy pronto so he did not fall into dire convulsions. Too bad the pharmacy was closed for the day.

    Oddly, this has been my day to observe the Shim. I came out of a retailer and Lord behold some guy had a couple cornered telling them how wonderful it would be if we had President Obama who would not give those evil folks at Merrill Lynch one more dime.....but would make sure they did not suffer foreclosure while vacationing in Hawaii on their mortgage money.

    Abd if you go around voting with your cock by the way I'm sure you'll be jailed for exposure.

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    Sep 22, 2008 1:11 AM GMT
    "At age 23 I don't think you are quite old enough to know what a Hippie is much less be one."

    Don't be an ageist. Plus I define hippie in my own terms I am an earth-loving liberal vegan. Other stereotypes about hippies ie: not showering, drugs, and being bums doesn't apply to me.
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    Sep 22, 2008 1:43 AM GMT


    McCain's Bad Judgment

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    Sep 22, 2008 4:24 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said

    Personally, I think these sorts of posts, and concerns, are not only silly, but just plain ludicrous. McCain doesn't hate gays, and I seriously doubt that Palin does either. Heck, they probably have someone gay in their own family. Lighten up on this "Republicans Hate Gays" crap because that's all it is -- CRAP! I have absolutely no doubt that Supreme Court Justices will NOT be taking us back to the stone age either. It makes no sense. Y'all need to stop being a bunch of paranoids and try thinking past your freaking gayness. You act like Republicans spend their every waking moment trying to figure out how they're going to stick it to the gays. It's almost embarrassing.


    Well, um, have you read the 2008 RNC platform?

    I quote from page 67:

    "Republicans have been at the forefront of protecting
    traditional marriage laws, both in the states
    and in Congress. ARepublican Congress enacted the
    Defense of Marriage Act, affirming the right of states
    not to recognize same-sex marriages licensed in
    other states. Unbelievably, the Democratic Party has
    now pledged to repeal the Defense of Marriage Act,
    which would subject every state to the redefinition of
    marriage by a judge without ever allowing the people
    to vote on the matter. We also urge Congress to
    use its Article III, Section 2 power to prevent activist
    federal judges from imposing upon the rest of the
    nation the judicial activism in Massachusetts and
    California. We also encourage
    states to review their
    marriage and divorce laws in
    order to strengthen marriage."

    And from page 12:

    "To protect our
    servicemen and women and ensure that Americas
    Armed Forces remain the best in the world, we affirm
    the timelessness of those values, the benefits of traditional
    military culture, and the incompatibility of
    homosexuality with military service."

    And from page 58 (notice that sexual orientation is missing):

    "We consider discrimination
    based on sex, race, age, religion, creed, disability,
    or national origin to be immoral, and we will
    strongly enforce anti-discrimination statutes. We ask
    all to join us in rejecting the forces of hatred and bigotry
    and in denouncing all who practice or promote
    racism, anti-Semitism, ethnic prejudice, or religious
    intolerance."

    (Page numbers are the PDF page number and not the page numbers printed within the page footers.)
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    Sep 22, 2008 5:39 AM GMT
    I would equate voting with my cock as voting for the best looking male -- which in my case there are none, at this point in time that would do my cock proud. But certainly I do consider a persons attitude towards my rights very important. I don't know that there are many politicians out there eagerly espousing gay rights, but certainly those who aren't opposed or working against them.

    As to curiousjock: Republicans have done nothing to assure me that theyis support or at least are willing not to violate my rights. The Republican party is not all bad, but until they free themselves of the cultural issues, they won't have my vote. McCain had a chance to peel the party away from such issues, but he chose not too -- picking Palin was picking an issues or cultural wars candidate. She doesn't want to afford gays rights -- and supported even a ban on rights accorded to partners, and that is something I can't vote for. The Democrats may not support out and out rights, but aren't trying to curtail them, and willing to respect the states, whatever the outcome, not like the republicans who want the 'right' outcome.

    There are reasons, at least ones that I can understand to vote republican, not things that I would consider most important or view points that I necessarily subscribe to, but reasons that I can understand, but gay rights is NOT one of them, and to try and act as if it is, or that it isn't important is something that I can't understand nor condone.
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    Sep 22, 2008 3:42 PM GMT
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    CuriousJockAZ said
    hippie4lyfe saidMarriage Equality, DADT, adoption, hate crimes may not be at the top of your list.

    But surely as a gay man you do care about sex, right?

    Well, isn't voting for McCain a vote in the direction of criminalizing gay sex "sodomy" 3 of the supreme court justices currently would rule to overturn Lawrence V Texas.

    Now in this crucial election we cannot afford anymore right-wing fanatics on the bench. If McShame and Failin come to power, they may place an extremely fanatic homophobe to the courts and tip the balance to once against make sodomy illegal.

    So to all of you republican gays out there, if you are thinking with your head and voting for Obama, atleast think about the other head and vote for Obama.


    Personally, I think these sorts of posts, and concerns, are not only silly, but just plain ludicrous. McCain doesn't hate gays, and I seriously doubt that Palin does either. Heck, they probably have someone gay in their own family. Lighten up on this "Republicans Hate Gays" crap because that's all it is -- CRAP! I have absolutely no doubt that Supreme Court Justices will NOT be taking us back to the stone age either. It makes no sense. Y'all need to stop being a bunch of paranoids and try thinking past your freaking gayness. You act like Republicans spend their every waking moment trying to figure out how they're going to stick it to the gays. It's almost embarrassing.


    Dude..do you read the news? Have you not read what Palin has to say about gays and what her church stance is on gays? And no, don't say that her church's views are not her own..because if she goes there, she shares their views.



    I would rather believe what Governor Palin says on the subject from her own mouth, not some propaganda-based agenda driven alleged stance that she may or may not equate her own personal views with. You guys can't have it both ways. If you're going to insist that Palin shares the views of her church, then you need to be fair and equate Obama's views with the hate-filled "white bashing" views of his church of 20 years.
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    Sep 22, 2008 4:01 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said

    I would rather believe what Governor Palin says on the subject from her own mouth, not some propaganda-based agenda driven alleged stance that she may or may not equate her own personal views with. You guys can't have it both ways. If you're going to insist that Palin shares the views of her church, then you need to be fair and equate Obama's views with the hate-filled "white bashing" views of his church of 20 years.


    Palin quotes? Links?

    BTW, I agree with your last sentiment. I don't necessarily agree that Obama's or Palin's pastors represent their actual beliefs or policy stances. That said, Palin clearly mixed church and state in a recent address before her church.





    And if we are going to link Obama to Rev. Wright, then we need to call into question Palin's alleged attendance in church during an anti-Jewish tirade (Jew's for Jesus).
    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13098.html

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    Sep 22, 2008 7:01 PM GMT
    hippie4lyfe saidMarriage Equality, DADT, adoption, hate crimes may not be at the top of your list.

    But surely as a gay man you do care about sex, right?

    Well, isn't voting for McCain a vote in the direction of criminalizing gay sex "sodomy" 3 of the supreme court justices currently would rule to overturn Lawrence V Texas.

    Now in this crucial election we cannot afford anymore right-wing fanatics on the bench. If McShame and Failin come to power, they may place an extremely fanatic homophobe to the courts and tip the balance to once against make sodomy illegal.

    So to all of you republican gays out there, if you are thinking with your head and voting for Obama, atleast think about the other head and vote for Obama.



    Wow... So (of course) I knew Obama is such a HUGE advocate for change!
    Little did I know he supported the right for the people to be Fu$% up the @$$,
    why that almost sounds "republican". icon_eek.gif