NEW PROOF! THAT HOMOSEXUALITY IS GENETIC.

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    Jan 05, 2013 4:57 AM GMT
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,155990,00.html

    ...by new, I mean 2005. icon_razz.gif
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    Jan 05, 2013 6:49 AM GMT
    This is old news. It's from the Associated Press, not Fox News. The latest theory is that it's not genetic exactly. It's a question of which genes get turned on and off.

    http://www.livescience.com/25431-gene-regulation-homosexuality.html
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    Jan 05, 2013 7:28 AM GMT
    Keep in mind that the behavior of an organ is not indicative of differences in genetics, especially since the physiology of organs can change depending on how they are used. Thus, just because the brain of a gay man is different from the brain of a straight man, it does not mean that these differences are due to genetics.

    There has been a lot of research done concerning the effects of cognitive behavioral therapy on the physiology of the brain.

    http://neuro.psychiatryonline.org/article.aspx?articleid=103678
    http://neurodezign.com/Documents/Scientifiques/Paquette2003.pdf

    To summarize, the way an individual thinks can actually morph and change the function and form of the brain. It is incredibly interesting looking at what type of shapes gay men find attractive to what straight men do, as well as different smells. There are a crapload of studies that address these differences, but it will be difficult to connect them to "genetics."

    Anyway, the point is that we can't simply look at the differences in behavior in organs... they these are modified over time. The link provided by DudeInNova is a step in the right direction.
  • PandaDragon

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    Jan 05, 2013 8:12 AM GMT
    I think the biochemist in me just died by that article...

    Here is something else to throw into the mix (which isn't brought to you by Fox-News-Related-ness)

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/12/071210094541.htm
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    Jan 05, 2013 8:28 AM GMT
    @gregjorn
    Generally the difference between hetero- and homo- brains is soo small it's almost negligible, it's only when you apply genetic disorders ( klinefelter syndrome ie XXY sex chromosomes for instance) that you see a subtle shift between the heterosexual male brain to a heterosexual female brain. Even then, klinefelter syndrome does not make the person gay, just more feminine. I do agree that it is incredibly hard to link to purely genetics, but I also believe that you can't think yourself gay/straight. Hell, if I had the choice I would have been purely hetero for simplicity sake.

    Sexual attraction and drive comes from the reptilian part of the brain, which has been debated whether homosexuality is a form of paraphilia (I think most of us here are in some form Cratophilic ;) ).

    So the debate whether it is genetic is partially true (link above this reply) but there is a lot more to contribute to this issue...
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    Jan 05, 2013 9:27 AM GMT
    If you ever want a straight man, coat yourselves in estrogen pheromones.
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    Jan 05, 2013 11:39 AM GMT
    PandaDragon saidI think the biochemist in me just died by that article...

    Here is something else to throw into the mix (which isn't brought to you by Fox-News-Related-ness)

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/12/071210094541.htm
    really interesting
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    Jan 05, 2013 11:41 AM GMT
    Now to breed a Perfect Homosexual Race! icon_rolleyes.gificon_neutral.gif
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    Jan 05, 2013 12:49 PM GMT
    Gym_bull saidIf you ever want a straight man, coat yourselves in estrogen pheromones.


    Does Chanel make a fragrance like that ? icon_lol.gif
  • calibro

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    Jan 05, 2013 1:30 PM GMT
    Trollileo said
    DudeInNOVA saidIt's a question of which genes get turned on and off.
    Call me tasteless, but isn't having a penis the only gene needed to "turn it on?"


    i've never met a penis that was tasteless
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    Jan 05, 2013 1:30 PM GMT
    OP, a handsome and apparent intelligent man. Why are you watching fox snews?

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    Jan 06, 2013 10:16 PM GMT
    blackhawksfan saidOP, a handsome and apparent intelligent man. Why are you watching fox snews?

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    Haha. I wasn't watching that shit storm of propaganda and BS, known as Fox News. I was looking at another article and someone linked this one in a comment. I breezed by it this article, found it semi-interesting and wanted to get some input on it. i.e posted on RJ.

    Oh, and thanks. icon_redface.gif
  • wellwell

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    Jan 06, 2013 10:28 PM GMT
    I'm still not convinced it isn't a choice. (The absence of choice being an avenue for excuses.)

    I realize that most can get their orientation so-early in life that it's easy to think you are born that way; but it seems to me that heteros' choose to be non-homo; in other words, str8. Personally, "I chose" 2b non-hetero @ about age 27 . . .
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    Jan 07, 2013 10:18 AM GMT
    wellwell saidI'm still not convinced it isn't a choice. (The absence of choice being an avenue for excuses.)

    I realize that most can get their orientation so-early in life that it's easy to think you are born that way; but it seems to me that heteros' choose to be non-homo; in other words, str8. Personally, "I chose" 2b non-hetero @ about age 27 . . .


    There is some research on the idea of it being both a choice and predetermined.

    There are various shades of gay and straight and bisexual. Lets put it on a scale of -5 to 5

    -5 is completely gay

    0 is equally gay and straight (bisexual)

    5 is completely straight.

    The idea is that every member of the population will fall between these values.

    You can graph the percentage of the population versus these values.

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    The image above is a stock photo icon_razz.gif I'm not implying most people are bisexual.

    Anyway, you can consider the values above to be "innate" sexuality, determined by genetics and chemical influences. Innate sexuality and how the individual defines his/her sexuality are two different things. It would be very difficult for a man who is innately a -5 to identify himself as a straight man... similarly a man that is innately a 5 will have difficulty identifying himself as a homosexual. A man who is at a 2.5 however could identify himself as straight just fine. Same as a man with 1.5, though less so. It would be possible for these men to suppress urges to have sex with men if they were located on the higher part of the spectrum.

    To get to your comment, there is a choice for some people, men who fall within the middle zones can have the ability to choose their identity. However, men who fall towards the extremes cannot.

    I wish I had the kinsey scale data in front of me but I suspect that the real world's identity data looks something like this...

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    You see the large peak on the right due to directional influences, AKA, homophobia.

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    You see the valley in the middle due to disruptive influences, aka, biphobia and anti-polyamory influences, some men are forced to choose between men or woman and get pushed to either side.

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    Combine these two influences and you get something like the thing I drew.

    EDIT: Kk, I just realize I nerded out here >_>
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    Jan 07, 2013 10:23 AM GMT
    And why is this important? As if sexuality being genetic makes the whole debate about homosexuality that much easier to have? We need to stop framing sexuality as a dichotomy between choice or genetics because it really takes away from the real issue of civil rights.

    But more importantly...I love when straight guys choose to have sex with me. icon_twisted.gif