How to PERMANENTLY stop a troll?

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    Jan 08, 2013 6:40 PM GMT
    So we keep reporting the same guy over and over again. Yeah, the administration is pretty good about booting them off, but they come right back under a new name. And we can't report them again until they do something against the rules again. Or can we? Does the mere fact that it's the same person who got banned, give us the authority to report them for coming back? I mean, the person was banned....not the screen name, right?

    Just wondering if you guys had any ideas on how to permanently get rid of these disgusting people.
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    Jan 08, 2013 6:41 PM GMT
    Isn't there a way for the admin to ban his IP address?
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    Jan 08, 2013 6:52 PM GMT
    RadRTT saidIsn't there a way for the admin to ban his IP address?

    Another RJ'er talked to Admin about that repeatedly, in regards to one particular member.
    But as easily as he can create another account, he can find other means to access this website. Libraries, new emails, friends' computers, or whatever. If this member repeatedly comes back; he'll find a way. I just block and ignore, and ignore aside.
    Ignore his sake and yours. What you don't feed into can't hurt you. The solution starts in you head.
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    Jan 08, 2013 6:53 PM GMT
    RadRTT saidIsn't there a way for the admin to ban his IP address?


    What good would that do? All the troll has to do is go to Starbucks or someplace that has free wi-fi and start his bad habits all over again.
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    Jan 08, 2013 6:53 PM GMT
    The only effective way is cut their fingers off.

    But yeah - they're called static IP addresses. They're constantly changing and therefore can't really be blocked. Best thing to do is not to feed him and let administration do their thing.
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    Jan 08, 2013 6:57 PM GMT
    RadRTT saidIsn't there a way for the admin to ban his IP address?



    Not with Static IP addresses.
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    Jan 08, 2013 6:58 PM GMT
    Probably nothing "Permanently," certainly nothing we can do.

    An IP Block by the Admin can keep them from using a specific computer to troll, but if you're just hopping from one computer to another in your house, or in a public venue like a computer lab or a library, you can probably stay your execution for awhile.

    One thing I would do is set up a waiting period for new profiles. I would at least expect people to be reasonably truthful about their geographic location* as it relates to their whois information, and would check that during the waiting period. If your three RJ profile places say Albuquerque, Toronto, and Paris but the server info suggests your new profile was set up via a server in Islamabad, then I'm heading that off at the pass.

    * For fun, do an RJ Profile search by checking out your favorite state/country and look at the number of profiles for the town that alphabetically listed FIRST on the drop-down menu. (For example, "Alabaster, Alabama" which has almost as many profiles as Birmingham). We did that experiment recently over at BGCLive and found there were over 3 times as many profiles created for persons claiming they were from "Abbeville, Alabama" than actual people residing there. An admin could wipe out a ton of fake profiles just by blocking people too lazy to list where they're actually at.

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    Jan 08, 2013 7:01 PM GMT
    Also, mentioned somewhere plenty of times, at least make the forum and chatroom use for Verified Only, something I only recently became myself. The unverified can just go and enjoy the Workout Plans. icon_lol.gif
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    Jan 08, 2013 7:18 PM GMT
    Erik101 said
    RadRTT saidIsn't there a way for the admin to ban his IP address?


    What good would that do? All the troll has to do is go to Starbucks or someplace that has free wi-fi and start his bad habits all over again.


    Actually the whois information still tracks the computer they do it from, not just the server.

    A popular example of that was a guy who was trolling JoeMyGod forums a couple years ago ("All f*ggots must die"), he was taking his computer to lunch at a coffee shop nearby his office, but the whois information, collected by a savvy forum reader, revealed the computer IP belonged to the office of a U.S. Senator. Saxby Chambliss apologized after one of his staffers was busted.

    http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2010/09/sen-saxby-chambliss-just-called-me-to.html
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    Jan 08, 2013 7:20 PM GMT
    The only effective thing to do is to completely ignore the troll.
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    Jan 08, 2013 7:22 PM GMT
    I just block any idiot that makes trollish comments. Never have to worry after that. Only way is if everyone paid for this site and stricter controls.
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    Jan 08, 2013 7:28 PM GMT
    Trolls do seem to be a minor annoyance on this site. But one could make an argument against rigid ID security. Many guys who could potentially benefit from this site may live in countries or situations where it could be physically dangerous for them to leave traceable messages. They might need to use some sort of IP spoofing as a basic safety measure.
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    Jan 08, 2013 7:30 PM GMT
    I find them annoying, but I'm learning to just block/ignore the ones who don't amuse me. And prosletyze to others to do the same.
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    Jan 08, 2013 7:31 PM GMT
    The only way to get rid of the trolls is to ignore them, but it only works if everyone does it. You can't win a battle with a troll because they aren't in it to win. They are in it to get a reaction from you. The moment you respond to them, they've won.

    I've worked as a moderator for a gay web site before. The Admin could do more to prevent these people from returning. I can only guess as to his motives for letting them come back.
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    Jan 08, 2013 7:49 PM GMT
    dayumm saidAlso, mentioned somewhere plenty of times, at least make the forum and chatroom use for Verified Only, something I only recently became myself. The unverified can just go and enjoy the Workout Plans. icon_lol.gif


    +1
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    Jan 08, 2013 7:56 PM GMT
    DudeInNOVA saidThe only way to get rid of the trolls is to ignore them, but it only works if everyone does it. You can't win a battle with a troll because they aren't in it to win. They are in it to get a reaction from you. The moment you respond to them, they've won.

    This^^

    I've seen trolls here and on other forums come and go. Usually they get bored when people stop responding to them. They are only there for the attention and shit-disturbing. Nothing else.
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    Jan 08, 2013 7:59 PM GMT
    TellMeMoar said
    DudeInNOVA saidThe only way to get rid of the trolls is to ignore them, but it only works if everyone does it. You can't win a battle with a troll because they aren't in it to win. They are in it to get a reaction from you. The moment you respond to them, they've won.

    This^^

    I've seen trolls here and on other forums come and go. Usually they get bored when people stop responding to them. They are only there for the attention and shit-disturbing. Nothing else.
    That is exactly it.
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    Jan 08, 2013 8:07 PM GMT
    braddomo saidI just block any idiot that makes trollish comments. Never have to worry after that. Only way is if everyone paid for this site and stricter controls.


    The problem is, there are a lot of people who are slow to catch this kind of thing. Just last week, I had to inform a guy that he was being trolled. He was pouring his heart out trying to help this guy with his "problem". Plus, when they quote the person, we are all forced to see his posts whether we have them blocked or not.
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    Jan 08, 2013 8:07 PM GMT
    Unfortunately, every bit of "it only works if everyone does it," is just as true, too. It's an order too tall for 5,000 or whatever people cruising the forums to do unilaterally.

    So hopefully, with constructive suggestions, the RJ Admin(s) can do as much singularly to make their lives as miserable as we can hope to do collectively.
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    Jan 08, 2013 8:10 PM GMT
    Also, I may block a troll. But the misguided people who respond to them in turn, who I didn't block, allow me to see their crappy contributions anyway, and usually the catfights that ensue among OTHERS (i.e., "Excuse me, but, why did you call the troll a retard?") derail the threads quite successfully.
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    Jan 08, 2013 9:23 PM GMT
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    Jan 08, 2013 9:25 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidThe only effective thing to do is to completely ignore the troll.


    +5000 You feed, they stay. You starve, they go.
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    Jan 08, 2013 9:31 PM GMT
    wrestlervic said
    roadbikeRob saidThe only effective thing to do is to completely ignore the troll.


    +5000 You feed, they stay. You starve, they go.



    In all the years on RJ I've yet to see that work. There's a never ending flood of new people to prevent starvation as there is no sign saying 'I am a troll don't respond'.
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    Jan 08, 2013 9:39 PM GMT
    Scruffypup said
    dayumm saidAlso, mentioned somewhere plenty of times, at least make the forum and chatroom use for Verified Only, something I only recently became myself. The unverified can just go and enjoy the Workout Plans. icon_lol.gif


    +1

    +1
    Or make the read only for the unverified.
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    Jan 08, 2013 9:50 PM GMT
    AMoonHawk said
    Scruffypup said
    dayumm saidAlso, mentioned somewhere plenty of times, at least make the forum and chatroom use for Verified Only, something I only recently became myself. The unverified can just go and enjoy the Workout Plans. icon_lol.gif


    +1

    +1
    Or make the read only for the unverified.


    Doing any of the above would effectively kill this site. Maybe Chris (RJ Admin) could do a site experiment, and make a section JUST for verified members.