consider the green party...

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    Sep 23, 2008 1:15 AM GMT
    of all the parties, this is the only one that is 100% lgbt inclusive and eco-friendly. if you haven't gotten acquainted with this party, consider it.

    on their website look at their party platform. see II. A. 5.

    http://www.gp.org/platform/2004/socjustice.html#999077
  • MuslDrew

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    Sep 23, 2008 3:47 AM GMT
    thanks!
    checkin it out now
  • Thirdbeach

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    Sep 23, 2008 5:13 AM GMT
    Yes...

    You Americans need more options when it comes to voting.
    The two party system you have doesn't give enough choice or voice to many of the citizens in your country.


    my $ .02... Canadian, which is about US$ .019


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    Sep 23, 2008 6:48 AM GMT
    I would, if our local candidates didn't want a matter of weeks to being their run.

    Now that I think of it... I'm not aware of any green party members actively running here. Not even so much as a flyer posted, and I frequent some fairly obvious locations often enough that I should have seen *something* by now.

    Maybe next election cycle I'll try to get involved with the party more.
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    Sep 23, 2008 9:03 AM GMT
    Unfortunately right now, we probably don't have the luxury of the Greens. In 2000, I voted for Nader, believing that both the Dems and GOP were 'feeding from the same trough'. Well, that was indeed correct - and at the same time not. Members of both parties can get caught in the same kind of misbehavior or scandal(s). What they're good at when they get caught (the GOP) is noting those instances where a Democrat has been found doing something similar then muddying the water with the general statement that 'see, they're both the same' and no one is really any worse than the other. The difference is the SCALE and INTENT. With the GOP, it is systemic, top-down, organized and pervasive. Democrats who get caught doing something illegal (like William Jefferson of New Orleans) typically are acting on their own and not part of an organized political effort. Tom Delay & Co. used political extortion to shake down and intimidate everyone - even people in his own party. He started the infamous 'K Street Project' which was an premeditated effort to isolate and blacklist any lobbying group that talked with/to or worked for ANY Democrat. The intent was to neuter the Democrats and cut off equal access to lobbyist and to intimidate those lobbyists from working with anyone but republicans.

    If we splinter off right now, even by just a few single percentage points like we did in 2000, we guarantee that the republicans will have this country by the neck for another four years. If you want to see Democrats who are actually standing up and fighting back (unlike most in the Democratic party), try out the PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRATS OF AMERICA. They are a good fit with the Greens, but are technically part of the Democratic party, and as such provide a lot more political pull to those of us who feel disaffected and let down by the traditional DNC/DLC. And they have actually been effective!

    Go to: http://pdamerica.org/


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    Sep 23, 2008 1:05 PM GMT
    American's will never vote for a third party in large numbers until the media considers them worthwhile to display. At the present even the non mainstream choices within the two parties are skipped over in favor of the media's chosen champions.
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    Sep 23, 2008 1:20 PM GMT
    I disagree with several points above.

    Having more parties doesn't mean more diverse representation. Within the Democrat Party you have ultra liberals like Robert Wexler and conservative Robert Bird. In the GOP you have conservative Orin Hatch, LIbertarian Ron Paul, and fiscal conservative/social progressive Olympia Snow. You could easily divide those people up into four or five different parties, but that wouldn't change the dynamic in Washington.

    And I really can't blame the media. Third parties have been organized and run successful campaigns for national office before. Third parties just don't have a compelling platform with compelling candidates. I once was a registered Green and I still love their platform, but the greens are trying to build their coalition from the top down, not the bottom up. I couldn't tell you where to find an office for the Green party in my region. Where are the grassroots? If the Green's wanted to be relevant I suggest they get out of the college campuses and onto the doors a-knockin'.

    In New York and Oregon they have what is called a fusion ballot. In which you vote for a candidate and not a party. For example, my state representative ran on the Democratic, Independence, and Working Families Party lines. In the general I can vote for him on any of those and it will get added together. Because of that (I) and (WFP) parties are very influential and have won a few seats in state level government. Lobbying your representatives to bring back the fusion ballot would be a fine way to make third parties stronger in your state.

    That said, thanks to the electoral college I usually vote for third parties in Presidential elections.
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    Sep 23, 2008 6:31 PM GMT
    Canadians at the Federal level of government have four national parties this year. Conservative, Liberal, NDP, Green. Only two of these parties have ever won a majority Government, the Conservatives and the Liberals. So we have choice, but in terms of power at the Federal level not so much.

    It is only when you look at the Provinces does the picture change. Conservatives, Liberals and the NDP have won majority governments in provinces. In Ontario we went from Liberal to NDP (socialist) to Conservative (very) back to Liberal, all in less than 15 years. For a civil servant it was very confusing!

    Within the two main US political parties there are considerable differences of opinion. The same holds true in Canada. I have come across socially liberal Conservatives and socially very conservative Liberals. Generally speaking though the Liberals are more supportive of gay rights.

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    Sep 24, 2008 9:33 AM GMT

    I also like some aspects of a multi-party system, but it has its own drawbacks.

    Nothing wrong with voting Green, yet depending on how close the race is in your state, a Green vote can be a vote for McSame.