Apple iMac vs MacBook Pro w/ Retina display vs MacBook Pro

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    Jan 09, 2013 3:00 PM GMT
    I'm in the process of shopping for a new computer! I've made the decision to go with a Mac for the first time since I've been impressed with the other Apple products I've purchased over the past few years (iPhones, iPads, Apple tv).

    Based on other Mac users/owners, which piece of beautiful computing machinery will I be most satisfied and impressed with? The price isn't an issue, as long as its justified by its capabilities.

    Looking forward to hearing what you all think so that I can configure and purchase my first Apple computer very soon!
  • GingerOH

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    Jan 09, 2013 5:21 PM GMT
    I have a MacBook Pro and love it. I looked at the ones with the new retina display and I personally couldn't really tell the difference. I do graphic design work on mine and it can do everything I need it to do.

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  • GingerOH

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    Jan 09, 2013 5:23 PM GMT
    Also the MacBook pros can do just about anything an iMac can do. I would personally find it a pain since its not portable.
  • Destinharbor

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    Jan 09, 2013 5:33 PM GMT
    I just bought a MacBook Pro. This is my second. I think you need the fastest, most powerful machine you can afford if you want it to last for a while. I personally don't like writing these big checks often so I try to get something fast enough and with enough storage to last 4-5 years and technology advances always gobble speed and storage. My only problem is that I like a big screen (my last laptop was 17"-- no longer available) so I also bought a 24" Apple monitor. So I have power, speed, storage and two screens when at home. If you go into Best Buy, or an Apple store, they will have a dedicated Apple guy who actually can bargain on price.
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    Jan 09, 2013 6:27 PM GMT
    To some extent, it depends on your lifestyle and what you plan to do with it. There is almost nothing that you can't do with a laptop these days, and it may make the most sense. I always like the smallest, lightest laptop that I can get away with.

    However, I personally find it very difficult to do much work on a laptop. So I keep the laptop for personal and occasional field use and for business, I keep an iMac on my desk - with a second monitor, extended keyboard, scanners, printers, etc.

    It is also possible to dock a laptop into a desk-full of peripherals. I last did so in the 90's, and all that has changed, of course. If that is something that you might want to do, perhaps the key specification would be how big or how many external monitors each device is capable of driving.
  • groundcombat

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    Jan 09, 2013 6:28 PM GMT
    CuriousOne said The price isn't an issue, as long as its justified by its capabilities.



    Well this is what spoils Mac computers for me. Although I'm personally anti-Apple, their prices are usually competitive for mobile devices like iPods, iPhones, and iPads (not minis). I feel you just get totally ripped off in the computer/laptop department. I got an HP desktop computer a couple years ago that runs circles around the high-end iMac specs for the third of the price.
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    Jan 09, 2013 7:16 PM GMT
    I bought the Retina Display when it came out and I can tell you it's not worth the current price. You can't really upgrade any of the hardware once you have it because the RAM and the SSD (or what Apple calls Flash Storage) are soldered in. The screen resolution is nice but it isn't worth the price. I would go with a Mac Book Pro and if it's the SSD you are interested in than you can upgrade through Apple (which can be pricey) or upgrade yourself. Good luck!
  • seafrontbloke

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    Jan 09, 2013 7:26 PM GMT
    I have a 27" iMac and an iPad 2. Other than a general dislike of the onscreen keyboard I'm content with this scheme. Of course what I didn't realise at the time of purchasing was that Apple TV can mirror / AirPlay to the TV in the lounge so I don't actually need the monitor I chose, a 24" would be sufficient.
  • PolaroidSwing...

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    Jan 09, 2013 7:30 PM GMT
    The larger resolution of the retina display is sort of wasted on the 13/15" screens, text is really too small to read without zooming in.
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    Jan 09, 2013 7:33 PM GMT
    If you're not doing any processor intensive tasks, get the Macbook Air. It's perfect for general purpose computing.
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    Jan 09, 2013 7:51 PM GMT
    We have:

    - iPad 3rd gen ("New" iPad)
    - iPad 4th gen (latest model)
    - 27" iMac (2 years old with SSD)
    - 21" iMac (latest "thin" model as of Dec)
    - iPhone 5
    - iPhone 4S
    - MacBookPro (4 years old)

    We mirror each other's Apple stuff, each with an iMac, iPad and iPhone. All but the MacBook go into iCloud, so we share all the data wherever we go, and I made a home network with our wireless router. I can access his desktop screen and he can access mine.

    We've retired the MacBook because the iPads take care of our portable needs. But we still like the desktop iMacs for their larger screens, full keyboards with both mice and trackpads, greater storage, and full computer features.

    When we used the MacBook at home it was with a larger auxiliary screen, and with a wireless keyboard. Our clumsy fingers and bifocal eyes had troubles with the solo laptop, but the iPads aren't much worse when we're portable, about a wash with the MacBook, our mobile use not very heavy. I also have a Logitech ultra-slim keyboard cover for my iPad.

    If you already have an iPad then your need for a MacBook Pro or Air may be reduced, like with us, depending on what you're doing. A desktop iMac might make more sense for home use. Its footprint isn't great, especially the 21". I exploit the 27" screen size on my iMac to watch a live TV window via satellite, while doing other functions in other windows, like right now with RJ on Safari.
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    Jan 09, 2013 7:58 PM GMT
    The one thing you have to tell us is what you plan to use the computer for. The decision between desktop/laptop is simple: if you want any degree of portability including lounging around the house with the computer, then the iMac is out.

    I had a MBPro for 4 years and upgraded to the Retina display model. I find the machine works well, and I maxed it out for my needs so the lack of expandability (soldered components) doesn't influence me.

    Depending on your use, you can just as easily get away with a Macbook Air and an external monitor if you want the best of both worlds.

    All bets are off if you're into video-production - then we'll have to revisit your request.

    By the way, whatever you do get, the internal drive MUST use flash storage be it an SSD or a combo FLASH/hard disk (Apple Fusion drive).

    The performance gains are significant AND Apple's future development will rely/expect this. If you're like me and want your hard to last 4 or more years, then lots of RAM and an SSD are key.
  • Medjai

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    Jan 09, 2013 7:59 PM GMT
    groundcombat said
    CuriousOne said The price isn't an issue, as long as its justified by its capabilities.



    Well this is what spoils Mac computers for me. Although I'm personally anti-Apple, their prices are usually competitive for mobile devices like iPods, iPhones, and iPads (not minis). I feel you just get totally ripped off in the computer/laptop department. I got an HP desktop computer a couple years ago that runs circles around the high-end iMac specs for the third of the price.


    It's not just the spec, it's the OS. When considering price, that's a huge factor.
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    Jan 09, 2013 8:13 PM GMT
    Str8_Acting said
    xrichx saidIf you're not doing any processor intensive tasks, get the Macbook Air. It's perfect for general purpose computing.

    But in that case, I think you might as well just get a cheap netbook.
    But it's a rough crowd at the coffee shop. If he shows up with a Dell laptop, he'll get dirty looks from everyone. icon_lol.gif
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    Jan 09, 2013 8:16 PM GMT
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    groundcombat said
    CuriousOne said The price isn't an issue, as long as its justified by its capabilities.

    Well this is what spoils Mac computers for me. Although I'm personally anti-Apple, their prices are usually competitive for mobile devices like iPods, iPhones, and iPads (not minis). I feel you just get totally ripped off in the computer/laptop department. I got an HP desktop computer a couple years ago that runs circles around the high-end iMac specs for the third of the price.

    It's not just the spec, it's the OS. When considering price, that's a huge factor.

    That's true. Before the Macs my husband was running Windows at home, because that matched his office computer where he worked, which made better sense for him. As soon as he left there I saw the opportunity to bring him into the Mac OS.

    Because at home, without a company IT guy and others who could help him with Windows, he was always having crashes & problems. "Bob!" he'd yell at me from his room, "Why is my screen frozen?" and "Why can't I attached this file?" I'd hear this and more all day long.

    Once I got him onto the Mac OS he rarely has problems for the things he does. It's simpler, he understands it, it doesn't fight him. And of course it integrates perfectly with his iPhone & iPad. But it's the iCloud concept that's totally won him over, and the home network we now have. Not that it wasn't technically possible before between Windows & Mac, but not easy or as bug-free.

    As for price I don't have bottomless pockets. But I also believe you get what you pay for, and for 30 years now I've never had an Apple product let me down. There are short-term economies, and long-term economies. I more frequently go with the long term.
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    Jan 09, 2013 9:01 PM GMT
    You're really better off building your own computer price wise or else you'll be paying way too much for not a lot

    http://cdn.thenextweb.com/files/2010/09/mac01.jpg

    Also, before all of the butt hurtery begins..
    I run on a pc and on a mac. I have never had 1 problem with any pc I've owned. My mac, on the other hand, freezes all the time and it crashes all the time.. not to mention that it takes several seconds for a brush stroke to appear on one of my digital paintings in photoshop if I'm on my mac.
    I'm not telling you to go to pc, but I'm saying really do your research before you throw down so much money since you can get everything a mac has plus more from building your own.

    (you'll also get better support from the different 3rd party companies than having to rely on the mac "Genius" bar. If something goes wrong with a 3rd party product, the company will most likely replace and maybe upgrade your product. The mac store may or may not)

    Upgrading any built computer is far easier to do than having to upgrade a Mac
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    Jan 10, 2013 12:15 AM GMT
    southern89 saidYou're really better off building your own computer price wise or else you'll be paying way too much for not a lot

    That was fun in the 90's. Now, you can get a Gateway I5 Tower PC for $500 or less. Today, assembling your own computer is very much like assembling your own car through the dealer parts counter. $$$$

    First, my relatives noticed that the Dell store in Houston was filled with people carrying broken Dells. There is a different vibe at an Apple store. Ever notice you never hear people screaming at the employees?

    2880x1800 pixel resolution on the Apple 15" powerbook retina display.
    The only way I can get anything higher than 1920x1200 on a PC laptop is to find a Gateway PA6 laptop that has been discontinued and swap out the LCD I can only find on Ebay and do a brain transplant. That was a $2,200 Gateway when it was first introduced.

    I like high resolution. But, It isn't a popular option. For some, the retina resolution is barely noticeable. As an electronics CAD professional, I have no choice but to seek out the highest simultaneous resolution, which is more important than memory or processor speed.

    A lot goes into Laptop design to figure out which tradeoffs to make. If you want a thin lightweight design, you have to accept a machine that is a bitch to open. There isn't any other way.

    To support Retina display technology in a laptop, the Nvidia chip will push the boundaries on thermal management. Not something you want to carry around in plastic like a PC laptop.

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    Jan 10, 2013 12:36 AM GMT
    I am selling my ipad 3 because its just not fitting into my life filled with Samsung products.

    I get the retina display is really nice and the 3D feature is awesome but the software platform doesnt support adobe flash and movies and music are hard to import blah blah blah.

    I like samsung products better, and samsung is the next generation.
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    Jan 10, 2013 1:53 AM GMT
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    southern89 saidYou're really better off building your own computer price wise or else you'll be paying way too much for not a lot

    That was fun in the 90's. Now, you can get a Gateway I5 Tower PC for $500 or less. Today, assembling your own computer is very much like assembling your own car through the dealer parts counter. $$$$

    First, my relatives noticed that the Dell store in Houston was filled with people carrying broken Dells. There is a different vibe at an Apple store. Ever notice you never hear people screaming at the employees?

    2880x1800 pixel resolution on the Apple 15" powerbook retina display.
    The only way I can get anything higher than 1920x1200 on a PC laptop is to find a Gateway PA6 laptop that has been discontinued and swap out the LCD I can only find on Ebay and do a brain transplant. That was a $2,200 Gateway when it was first introduced.

    I like high resolution. But, It isn't a popular option. For some, the retina resolution is barely noticeable. As an electronics CAD professional, I have no choice but to seek out the highest simultaneous resolution, which is more important than memory or processor speed.

    A lot goes into Laptop design to figure out which tradeoffs to make. If you want a thin lightweight design, you have to accept a machine that is a bitch to open. There isn't any other way.

    To support Retina display technology in a laptop, the Nvidia chip will push the boundaries on thermal management. Not something you want to carry around in plastic like a PC laptop.



    Right.. I was just giving the guy a cheaper option to get more for his money. None of what you said was really about a mac being overpriced but ok..
    cool story bro
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    Jan 10, 2013 1:55 AM GMT
    MacBook Pro, just got mine and is better than my iMac at work as a designner
  • O5vx

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    Jan 10, 2013 2:03 AM GMT
    Apple does not support flash and that is a major problem to owning any of there product. I just bought my ipad and it has been very good in other area, but flash is really important to me. The ability to do everything on one device. Also, I hate the fact that I have to close an app to open another app. That's another major flow in my opinion.
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    Jan 10, 2013 2:22 AM GMT
    Only Apple's iOS devices (iPhone, iPad, iPod touch) don't support flash. Their Macs all do.
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    Jan 10, 2013 2:28 AM GMT
    O5vx saidApple does not support flash and that is a major problem to owning any of there product. I just bought my ipad and it has been very good in other area, but flash is really important to me. The ability to do everything on one device. Also, I hate the fact that I have to close an app to open another app. That's another major flow in my opinion.

    Flash is a dead-end that will soon be superseded. It's like saying you're buying a computer because it still supports floppy drives.
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    Jan 10, 2013 2:36 AM GMT
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    O5vx saidApple does not support flash and that is a major problem to owning any of there product. I just bought my ipad and it has been very good in other area, but flash is really important to me. The ability to do everything on one device. Also, I hate the fact that I have to close an app to open another app. That's another major flow in my opinion.

    Flash is a dead-end that will soon be superseded. It's like saying you're buying a computer because it still supports floppy drives.


    +1

    Whenever my computer feels unresponsive all I have to do is open Activity Monitor, and 9/10 times it's flash player being resource hungry.
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    Jan 10, 2013 2:43 AM GMT
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    ART_DECO said
    O5vx saidApple does not support flash and that is a major problem to owning any of there product. I just bought my ipad and it has been very good in other area, but flash is really important to me. The ability to do everything on one device. Also, I hate the fact that I have to close an app to open another app. That's another major flow in my opinion.

    Flash is a dead-end that will soon be superseded. It's like saying you're buying a computer because it still supports floppy drives.


    +1

    Whenever my computer feels unresponsive all I have to do is open Activity Monitor, and 9/10 times it's flash player being resource hungry.


    This is true. I have a PC and surf with Chrome - flash crashes all the f*king time it's ridiculous.

    I am shopping around for a new laptop and was just wondering the differences between the non-retina and retina display as well. I just need it for business so I'm thinking retina display wouldn't matter.

    I definitely do want an Apple product though. Making the switch! icon_biggrin.gif