Paris vacation...

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    Mar 12, 2007 11:01 PM GMT
    Hey Guys,
    I'm going to Paris this weekend. I haven't been there in about 10 years. Besides the usual sites and museums, I'd like to check out the gay scene. Any suggestions for where to go: clubs, bars, restaurants, gayborhood? Do you have a favorite museum or secret hideaway? Any advice would be appreciated!

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    Mar 13, 2007 1:09 AM GMT
    There is a French word, flaneur, which sums up my approach to Paris. Flanuer literally means “one who strolls.” Edmund White wrote a book aptly called “The Flaneur” that introduced me to the word. He calls a flaneur an aimless stroller. There is just so much to experience on the streets of Paris. Take a really good pair of walking shoes.
    One of my favorite places is the Place des Vosges. It is the oldest square in Paris and can be found in the Marais.
  • leaozinho

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    Mar 13, 2007 2:37 AM GMT
    place des vosges is my favorite too
    palais royale is another quiet courtyard/square.
    if you like museums try the smaller ones they are less crowded, visit the parc monceau and see the musee nissim de comondo and the chernuschi museum (asian art). also the musee jacquemart-andre. the musee jacquemart-andre has a dining room open for lunch that is great.
    paris is best esperienced on foot or metro. there are so many shops, cafes, etc to explore.
    the marais was the gayborhood and i guess it still is. i am sure there are guides or 'fag-rags' for the latest club and nightlife info. also online. ;-)

    bon voyage!
  • minihunk

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    Mar 13, 2007 3:26 AM GMT
    Hi the gay neibourhood is Le Marais, near of the gorgeous "hotel de ville de Paris" (paris city hall). the biggest and sexiest gay club is Le Depot... but it is very hard to find . obtain the adress on the web and print a map from mapquest, it s not in le marais. and le depot have an amazing labyrintic back room in the basement!!!!... for an amazing walk begin to Le Louvres museum and walk the world famous Jardins des tuileries who go througt Paris by gorgeous Place de la Concorde until Eiffel Towers! Evidently the dont miss museum is by far Le Louvres...if you dont have full of time go for check the greek and roman white marble sculpture section, that's a real glorification of the male body...with all the Adonis statue and other young warriors! A smaller but quicker museum...a world famous museum, a don,t miss, is the musee d'Orsay... in the night do absolutely the boat ride on La Seine (the river) for seing les Illumination de PAris (all the main monument are beautifully enlight...do that that,s a must!. In my opinion Place des Vosges is charming but not a must-see if your time is limited. Go to to the area of MOntmartre, where is located the famous big white church, visible form any place in Paris, name Le Sacre-Coeur... great neibourhood for flaner, just walking aroud, eating for the evening and after go just sit in the giant stair outside of the sacre-coeur, where you will see the most beautiful view of all Paris in the night... enjoy... !
  • minihunk

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    Mar 13, 2007 3:34 AM GMT
    hi me again...lol... just want to precise than le depot is a famous sleazy, "dirty" gay club, with sex in the basement... than if you look for the best glamourous and dancing and high fashion and super expansive... gay club... it is generally located on avenue des champs Elysees and/or Pigalle area. Check with french guy, i forgot the name...but expect a famous jet-set discotheque...and super big covercharge...
    Bon Voyage et amusez-vous bien! (enjoy it..lol)
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    Mar 13, 2007 3:54 AM GMT
    I hear the suburbs are really hot!
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    Mar 13, 2007 3:58 AM GMT
    this is a pretty good guide for a brief trip:

    http://travel.nytimes.com/2006/12/24/travel/24hours.html

    I especially recommend the restaurant it mentions, Le Souk. It's my favorite Moroccan restaurant in Paris (and you do NOT want to go to Paris and not eat Moroccan food). I also like Mansouria, where I ate a rose-petal tagine, one of the most amazing dishes I've ever eaten.

    Generally, as far as dining goes, I love Paris because you can find the best of the world's cuisines there. Another interesting place, in the Bastille District, like Le Souk, is Wally Fay. It's a fusion of Senegalese, Parisian and Louisiana cooking.

    As for Le Depot, I, um, know much sleazier. In fact Le Souk is at #1 Rue Keller and across the street and down a few doors is Le Keller, the bar/sex club where Michel Foucault hatched his theories about S&M. I sat on a chair there once that turned out to be someone wrapped in elastic tape to resemble furniture.

    Get a copy of Time Out Paris. I think they also have a website. It's the best guide for what's hot in Paris.

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    Mar 13, 2007 4:35 AM GMT
    Hi Yes i forgot the Keller... i never go but a lot of my friends gone and suppossely it's something really special and different from "preppy" ...lol... american gay place... be prepared to go out of this place...transformed (at least about the limits of your taboo! ) ....lol . Some other gay bar exist too where all the customers have to be nude... yes Buddy...everybody naked!!!!!
  • minihunk

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    Mar 13, 2007 4:36 AM GMT
    Paris is not the place for being stuck-up... lol
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    Mar 13, 2007 6:50 PM GMT
    wow thanks everybody -- i appreciate the great leads! it's a short trip so i won't have time for everything, but i'll definitely check out the food, art and flaneur. and the bars ;) of course.

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    Mar 13, 2007 10:46 PM GMT
    How long will you be in Paris for AND is this your first trip? I am all for the approach of just walking around - being a flaneur is great fun, as long as you don't wind up feeling like you've really missed something great one corner away, just because you didn't know it was there. So... My suggestion is a book that I bought a few years ago right near Notre Dame for less than 10 euros. It's called 4 days in Paris, published at Editions Lecompte, and it highlights the main attractions by area.

    Also, the Louvre and the Musée d'Orsay are open late on their "nocturne" days, and the admission fee is lower as well. I recommend those especially if the weather's fine for walking around.

    One thing that I recomment as well, when you get to Paris, is to pick up a copy of the local (and free) gay 'journal'. One (among many others) is called Agenda Q, (and I believe it's a play on words, as Q is the same as "cul" which is means "ass" but also "sex"; Avenue Q's tagline is "pour les rendez-vous Q"... It is small enough to fit in a back pocket, and is available in practically every bar, restaurant, bookstore in the Marais, and will get you up to date with not only the names and addresses for the bars - all categories, from the hip stand-and-model, to the leather-pits with downstairs playrooms and all-out nudity-mandatory sex-clubs - but also additional information on the various theme nights held in each of them.

    Hope this information helps.
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    Mar 14, 2007 4:05 AM GMT
    Not to get on a high horse, but I'm just curious why gay guys are still so enamored with France, especially since it's proven to be a racist nation (not a single person of color in national office), and has in the past month banned nationally gay people from adopting AND has banned nationwide gay marriage. http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/wire/sns-ap-france-gay-marriage,1,3170271.story?coll=sns-ap-world-headlines France is NOT this liberal mecca the mindless herd in the U.S. claims. It is a very conservative nation, with very little empathy toward minorities of any creed. I think the reason why France is viewed as "liberal" by so many gay Americans is that they are wedded to that Left Wing view that Europe is the center of the universe and can do no wrong. Many also wrongly believe that France is more sexually "liberated." It is not. Showing breasts on magazine ads and television is not a dislplay of liberation, it is a further example of France's mysogony. If you want to go some place cool, I'd reccommend Utah! I'm surprised people on this site would even consider travel to Europe.
  • minihunk

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    Mar 14, 2007 5:42 AM GMT
    Hi SuperCute jock...lol,
    Well i think nobody go in France for doing a "gay travel" as we can do at South Beach, Provincetown, Mykonos in greece etc. but we loved that because it is so BEAUTIFUL and interesting... as my grand-mother told me some years ago in France... all is good for a photography, for a picture... i done about 15 travel in Europe, some for 4-6 weeks and believe me when i come back in America i feel we just live in a "suburb" of Europe!!!.... sure all is relatively new and confortable and safe and clean here... but well we are very far from all the splendor, culture, history, variety, good taste, modernity of Europe...
    Hey Buddy just buy a ticket and go to Paris, Amsterdam and Rome this summer (with a rail pass) and come back here describe your feeling...

    About gay right... France remember me a little bit Florida both have strange laws but it is very gay and even the mayor of Paris (who's a very very big job) is openly gay. About the visibility of immigration Paris remember me the hall of the biggest international airport, in Paris you see full of African, Indian,"Gitan" etc. in traditional costume walking around. I like the smooth confort and easy life of America but when i want stimulation i never regret a travel in Europe!
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    Mar 14, 2007 1:57 PM GMT
    "Hey Buddy just buy a ticket and go to Paris, Amsterdam and Rome this summer"

    I've been to Europe four times. I'm still trying to figure out what "european charm" means....


    "in Paris you see full of African, Indian,"Gitan" etc. in traditional costume walking around"

    You see that in Omaha, Nebraska. (BTW, Atlanta is the world's busiest international airport.)

    "but well we are very far from all the splendor, culture, history, variety, good taste, modernity of Europe... "

    America lacks culture? We have more theaters, museums, universities than any nation on earth. We have no history? The world seems obsessed with nothing but U.S. history. The Europeans "know" so much about slavery and the Indians. No Variety in the U.S.? There's an old saying: There is something in America for everyone to love (or the pessimistic version: there is something in America for everyone to hate). Modernity? Hmmm? I think the U.S. is a wee bit more modern than the Old World. Cleveland's tallest skyscraper would be 10 stories taller than the tallest currently in Europe.

    "even the mayor of Paris (who's a very very big job) is openly gay"

    He's also openly Marxist. What's so striking about a large city electing an openly gay mayor? What's amazing is the people of Wyoming's second largest city of 55,000 (Casper) electing an openly gay mayor. Now that is cool!! The mayor of Providence, Rhode Island is also openly gay.

    "when i come back in America i feel we just live in a "suburb" of Europe!!!"

    What does that make Canada? The Bartsow of Europe?
  • minihunk

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    Mar 14, 2007 4:53 PM GMT
    Cutejock.. why all this agressivity agains Europe?????.... seriously.... (does it can be in relation with the reaction of France again Irak invasion?) i dont know i'm just curious to know?
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    Mar 16, 2007 11:35 PM GMT
    I've been anti-European since I was a boy. I've made it my mission in life to make it as cool as anti-Americanism, which is so status quo these days only the spood fed rich buy into it. It may have something to do with my father who escaped Italy and in a matter of a few years was able to break a lifetime of generational poverty. Italy still has the world's largest communist party. I speak only the truth....
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    Mar 16, 2007 11:57 PM GMT
    My partner and I just got back from Paris four weeks ago. We stayed in the 11th arr on Blvd Richard Lenoir.

    At the corner of Richard Lenoir and Oberkampf there is a cafe called Cafe Macassar.

    The bartender there is a guy named Jerome. He was fantastic...super nice guy...very welcoming and hilarious.

    If you are looking for a nice place to hang out and have a drink stop by...tell Jerome that Rick and Rusty say hi!

    Also, the Cafe des Phares at the Place de la Bastille is a great place to sit outside and people watch.

    Cute waiters too. :)
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    Mar 17, 2007 12:33 AM GMT
    Cutejockfrancophobe: You forgot to mention the Coneheads. They are from France.

    http://tinyurl.com/2q4xk4
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    Mar 19, 2007 12:14 PM GMT
    EvilG! We want some details!

    How was the trip? What did you eat? What did you see? Who did you do? :)

    I hope you had some good bread and pastries!
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    Mar 19, 2007 2:06 PM GMT
    Hey guys!
    or should I say bon jur?
    well not really, because I was supposed to fly out of JFK on Friday but the flight was cancelled on account of weather :(
    i couldn't resched so i had to cancel.
    I'll go this summer instead. Thanks for all your interesting leads and suggestions.
  • minihunk

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    Mar 20, 2007 9:22 PM GMT
    Evilgimini...

    Hey guy = Bonjour les garcons
    or (really more relax and friendly) Salut les mecs!

    Go,go,go evilgimini... and frankly summer is better about the weather!

    Bon voyage!