Too Much Protein Side Effects

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    Jan 10, 2013 2:12 AM GMT
    Hey guys! I have been working out non-stop and loading up on the protein, creatine and glutamine. The past few months, I have upped my protein intake to usually 180-270 grams per day. I weight 180, so usually my weight x1.5. This can be in the form of real proteins (chicken, beans, etc...) or powders and bars. I also usually do one scoop of creatine per day and one scoop of glutamine.

    The past few months I have been having several issues; one is horrible gas (LOL), but I guess that is a side effect of the protein. The other is burning urination and pain in my testicles. I know... TMI, right?

    No, its not an STD. I'm not sexually active, nor have any other symptoms. I was so worried, I even went and got tested. All clear...

    My only other idea could be a side effect of all of the supplements. Could this be? Has anyone else had similar problems?

    My urine has been real yellow, despite drinking all the time. My thoughts... maybe I'm dehydrated and that is what is causing the urination irritation and burning. (again, TMI, right?)

    Any ideas or advice would be appreciated.

    Thanks!
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    Jan 10, 2013 2:41 AM GMT
    im suprised you just have gas with all that icon_razz.gif, why not supplement with yogurt and some fruit to help in your digestive tract? watch out for hemroids, all that excess protein cant be good for a smooth without straining #2 experience icon_lol.gif
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    Jan 10, 2013 4:03 AM GMT
    scruffLA saidim suprised you just have gas with all that icon_razz.gif, why not supplement with yogurt and some fruit to help in your digestive tract? watch out for hemroids, all that excess protein cant be good for a smooth without straining #2 experience icon_lol.gif


    Thanks for the response. I try and add yogurt and or have it with a smoothie, etc... The "rear end" problem is what set this all off a few months ago. Figured I had TOO much protein.

    Thanks!
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    Jan 10, 2013 4:38 AM GMT
    Be sure you have enough fibre in your diet, ideally consumed throughout the day in the form of vegetables. If you need a fibre supplement, use a psyllium-based one (like Metamucil) but don't try bulking up on it all in one shot - that will lead to excess gas for sure. Take three small doses, add to your protein shake if you like.

    To know if you're good on fibre, all you have to do is answer questions about your shit. Literally.
    1) does it come daily?
    2) does it float?
    3) is your ass clean-up a breeze (just a few sheets of toilet paper)?

    If you don't answer yes to all three, you probably need more dietary fibre.

    As for the yellow urine, tell us about your protein supplements, especially if there are any unusual dyes in the powder.

    Do you know where you protein supplements are manufactured (Europe or North America vs Asia)?

    Does your urine smell abnormally strong, or is it just the colour that's present?

    Sorry to ask such direct questions, but the health of your alimentary canal is very important.
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    Jan 10, 2013 5:42 AM GMT
    Try to take a break for a few days then start back up again and add probiotics and fiber. Drink plenty of purified water!
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    Jan 10, 2013 5:47 AM GMT
    What do you mean by "one scoop?"
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    Jan 10, 2013 6:35 AM GMT
    Thanks guys...

    From the waaaaay TMI file... yes, I am pretty regular and everything "appears" normal lol

    As for the urine, no smell... just dark yellow.

    The current protein I am taking is the Max Muscle brand I bought at the gym.
    The "scoop" is the red scoop that came in the jug. I'd say its a 25 gram scoop. I will put two scoops at a time in a shake with juice or water, twice a day. So maybe a total of 100 grams of powdered protein, Then I will have two Pure Protein chocolate chip bars between meals. So, maybe 140 grams of powder and protein bars per day plus regular meals.

    The gluatime is the GNC brand, as is the creatine.

    Sometimes I will get a smoothie when I leave the gym, They sell Max Muscle and they use that protein. Not sure about their glutamine and creatine.

    I was told by a trainer to try and get 1.5x my weight in protein. Eating that much is next to impossible for me, so I supplement it with the above. Consuming approx. 270 grams per day with 140 of that in powder and bars.

    Now that I am typing this, that doesn't really sound like a good idea, does it.

    Occassionally, I will add 1MR as a pre-workout supplement.
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    Jan 10, 2013 6:35 AM GMT
    Oh, and sometimes I will mix that shake with Greek Yogurt to add an additional 20 grams of protein.
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    Jan 10, 2013 7:12 AM GMT
    guyintheAZ saidThanks guys...

    From the waaaaay TMI file... yes, I am pretty regular and everything "appears" normal lol

    As for the urine, no smell... just dark yellow.

    The current protein I am taking is the Max Muscle brand I bought at the gym.
    The "scoop" is the red scoop that came in the jug. I'd say its a 25 gram scoop. I will put two scoops at a time in a shake with juice or water, twice a day. So maybe a total of 100 grams of powdered protein, Then I will have two Pure Protein chocolate chip bars between meals. So, maybe 140 grams of powder and protein bars per day plus regular meals.

    The gluatime is the GNC brand, as is the creatine.

    Sometimes I will get a smoothie when I leave the gym, They sell Max Muscle and they use that protein. Not sure about their glutamine and creatine.

    I was told by a trainer to try and get 1.5x my weight in protein. Eating that much is next to impossible for me, so I supplement it with the above. Consuming approx. 270 grams per day with 140 of that in powder and bars.

    Now that I am typing this, that doesn't really sound like a good idea, does it.

    Occassionally, I will add 1MR as a pre-workout supplement.


    Personal trainers have no formal nutrition education and unless they have at least a nutrition degree from a university, don't listen to them on nutrition (some don't even know exercise, but that's another story). Please don't consider them a nutrition resource. The wellness industry has no laws regulating who can practice and give advice in your state, Arizona. You're being suckered into believing anyone who wants to call themselves a professional in that state. See a registered dietitian for questions if you want to see a professional--they go to university and have to pass an accredited course load, 1200 hour internship with 20% acceptance rates, RD exam, plus 75 hours of continuing education per 5 years to maintain the credential. It's currently the only respected nutrition credential.

    As for your question, the research shows no more than 1.7g per kg for max anabolism per day, and that's only if you are suddenly doing extreme amounts of physical activity, lifting, and it is brand new to your body. Otherwise, all that protein is being converted into urea and peed out. There is not evidence to suggest it puts strain on your kidneys, although hyperfiltration of the kidneys is a physiological response to your excessive protein intake. This means your kidneys have to do more work (whether this causes damage or not hasn't been proven).

    For reference if you're 180 lbs at 6'1", you think you need 1.5g/lb at 180, that's 270 grams of protein per day that your personal trainer told you to eat. That's about 38 oz of chicken per day. One serving of chicken is 3 oz or 21 g of protein. You can only UTILIZE about 20-30g of protein at max anabolism anyways per 3-4 hours anyway. The rest of the protein is absorbed since your gut absorbs 99% of what you eat but it is converted into fat and glucose. Guess which of those pathways is more efficient? Fat conversion. This isn't saying that you will get fat from that--if you're not going over your body's caloric needs, you won't gain weight. Furthermore, it is DIFFICULT to gain weight if you are trying to eat 270 grams of protein per day because you are constantly full due to protein having a satiety factor greater than fat and carbohydrate.

    So, at 180 lbs, you are about 82 kg, so 82 * 1.7 = 140 grams of protein per day. Divide that into 3 meals and 2 snacks, you get, 35 grams of protein per meal and 17.5 per snack. 35 is over the amount needed for max anabolism, so the 140 grams is probably higher than you need. Aim for these numbers every few hours, and then fill up on carbohydrates (complex starches found in whole grains for example, rice, bread, pasta, popcorn, beans). Carbohydrate actually gives you fuel for the gym. If you want to continue using your whey protein or whatever protein supplement you bought, 1 scoop of 20 g is plenty of protein. If you are trying to gain weight, eat more carbohydrate and fat. Just because muscle is protein doesn't mean dietary protein is instantly made into your muscle. The only way to gain muscle is to progressively lift more weight in the gym. That means tell your trainer to do strength testing and then work out at 70-80% of your 1RM so that you can get a workout at the most weight your body can work out at. That's called hypertrophy training. None of this involves you taking supplements or steroids (as I can see you are trying to get into from your other post).

    This is my advice, as I am about 8 months from being an RD myself, but I have been in school for 8 years and know this shit. You can take my advice or you can keep having your nice GI issues and poor gym performance.

    Lastly, I see you are taking some sort of pill-form of an aromatase inhibitor. Supplements aren't regulated, so you're literally taking whatever the company wants to put in the pills and no one is holding them to what is on the label. You're wasting your money on the pills and supplements. They are scams and aren't safe. But don't take my advice, do whatever the hell you want to do. It's your body, and you're the one with the medical bills if you screw up because you think you know more than the people who have gone to school for this for 8 years.

    Oh and as other posters have commented, purified water and yogurt aren't pertinent to what issues you are having right now. Seriously consider seeing an RD. You have some severe knowledge deficits on how nutrition works, and fire your trainer because he is practicing outside of his expertise, which makes me think he doesn't know how to train anyways.
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    Jan 10, 2013 8:28 AM GMT

    The past few months I have been having several issues; one is horrible gas (LOL), but I guess that is a side effect of the protein. The other is burning urination and pain in my testicles. I know... TMI, right?

    You need to consult a qualified medical professional about this.
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    Jan 10, 2013 9:17 AM GMT
    Some protein powders are nasty. Switch that up, or quit taking it. If your symptoms abate, you've identified the most likely source. (A common sense thing, right?) No need for a diet person, etc. Change it up, and see what happens. So simple it seems stupid, huh? If you take that supp again and the symptoms return, there's your culprit, in no uncertain terms. A very simple research project. (Amazing how the obvious eludes people.) Sounds like a food allergy, or perhaps, you genetically lack an enzyme that's causing your gastric issues. I lack the enzyme to digest raw milk proteins. I am not lactose intolerant, but, raw milk give me big gastric issues (gas, diarrhea.) Any medical doctor is going to give you the same advice...DOH. If you're not consuming enough bulk / fiber / carbs, stuff doesn't move through fast enough and gets nasty.

    Sounds like you have a STD, or a prostate problem. Talk to a qualified medical professional. Heavy stimulants will cause some of that, but, what you describes sounds like something a medical doctor should be consulted with.

    You have to have bulk in your diet to move stuff through. Coffee, or any warm liquid, will help to move stuff through, too. Folks who drink coffee have lower rates of intestinal cancers. Protein, in and of itself is not bad, but, energy drinks, and additives, can do all sorts of adverse things.
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    Jan 10, 2013 10:50 AM GMT
    I had some problems with protein powders a few years back, I had to stop taking them. I had heart palpitations and extreme gas. As soon as I stopped taking them my symptoms went. Then I tried egg protein and exactly the same thing happened so now i've turned to eating a balanced diet . I'm not so sure about what they put in these products but whatever it is just didn't agree with me. Your body is probably finding it difficult digesting and processing it all. Probably a good idea to give it a rest for a while.
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    Jan 10, 2013 10:56 AM GMT
    Bluey2223 has some great advice. Listen to him and see a Registered Dietitian.

    As far as your testicular pain, you may be experiencing a side effect to too much alcohol, caffeine or other product, similar to pain when urinating called Irritated Urethra. Ask your Dr about this and he/she will inquire to possible causes. Not to scare you, but have you been checked for testicular cancer? Did the pain begin shortly after the addition of the supplements? Again, bring all this to your Dr. attention.

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    Jan 10, 2013 1:01 PM GMT
    scruffLA saidim suprised you just have gas with all that icon_razz.gif, why not supplement with yogurt and some fruit to help in your digestive tract? watch out for hemroids, all that excess protein cant be good for a smooth without straining #2 experience icon_lol.gif


    Completely agree on the yogurt, esp if we're talking greek yogurt.

    The gas just comes with the territory. it's way worse if you eat a lot of leafy greens as well.
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    Jan 10, 2013 7:58 PM GMT
    TMI is a relative term, dude. We've got forums where guys talk about anal sex. By that measure, faeces and urine are mild.

    Your urine should always be slightly yellow (presence of urobilin from normal metabolism). The fact that there is bright yellow and no smell is a sign that the culprit is either a dye or perhaps too many vitamin supplements (especially B-vitamin supplements which can give a fluorescent yellow or green tinge to urine).

    As long as you're fibre is good and your hydration is good, you may wish to cut back on your vitamins. There is such a thing as too much of a good thing. A simply once-a-day multivitamin and an EPA/DHA oil supplement should be enough to keep a young guy like you running for years to come (since you also eat lots of vegetables).
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    Jan 11, 2013 6:06 AM GMT
    I quit using protein supplements of any kind, because of how processed they are. I don't feel like I've lost much muscle, although I am trying to bulk up for spring. I'll see if regular food is enough to get me to my goal.
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    Jan 11, 2013 7:13 AM GMT
    guyintheAZ saidHey guys! I have been working out non-stop and loading up on the protein, creatine and glutamine. The past few months, I have upped my protein intake to usually 180-270 grams per day. I weight 180, so usually my weight x1.5...

    My urine has been real yellow, despite drinking all the time.


    What's happening to you is a result of eating too much protein, because of the broscience from the types of guys who've heard of Michael Phelps' monster diet and thus think everyone should eat like that. No we don't, we don't train 10 hours day/7 days a week.

    The three (reasonable and simplified) ways to calculate protein recommendation for non-professional lifters/athletes who train for beach bodies/casual sports not for Olympic glory:

    1g per lb (good)
    1.5 - 2g per kg (better)
    2.5g per lean body kg (ideal)

    For a guy 180lbs with, say, 15% bodyfat this means about 120 - 180g per day, an average of 160g/day which is close to the 173 "ideal".

    You're full of gas because 180lbs is on your low end, when it should be your high end. Most dudes are going to find they shouldn't be eating very many more protein grams than their weight in lbs. How many protein shakes/bars are you having a day, by the way?

    As to your yellow urine, who knows? Muscle supplements tend to contain added vitamins/minerals -- you could be peeing all the extra out. But no one here can diagnosis, you need to get referred to a urologist stat.
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    Jan 11, 2013 7:24 AM GMT
    What form of creatine are you taking? Taking too much of certain forms can cause everything you described. Monohydrate is cheaper easier on the body and works better than you'd believe.
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    Jan 11, 2013 7:25 AM GMT
    please stop writing "TMI". Thx.
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    Jan 14, 2013 8:53 PM GMT
    Thank you everyone for your replies. The info was helpful. Went to the doctor again last week. He didn't seem to think it was the supplements and urine and blood tests came back negative again for STDs. He suggested having my kidneys checked, as it may be an infection there. Thanks!
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    Jan 14, 2013 8:54 PM GMT
    UglyAmerican saidplease stop writing "TMI". Thx.


    Hey, its better than saying "totes", "cray" and "yolo." icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jan 14, 2013 9:10 PM GMT
    I'm lactose intolerant and get zero gas from my protein drinks. Just sayin' I wouldn't come to this site for any nutrition advice. 99% have no idea what they are talking aboot.
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    Jan 14, 2013 9:14 PM GMT
    FlypinHigh saidI'm lactose intolerant and get zero gas from my protein drinks. Just sayin' I wouldn't come to this site for any nutrition advice. 99% have no idea what they are talking aboot.


    Youse cray cray! I know everything there is and was ever!
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    Jan 14, 2013 9:19 PM GMT
    Not all drinks are formulated in the same fashion.
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    Jan 14, 2013 9:35 PM GMT
    UglyAmerican saidplease stop writing "TMI". Thx.
    The irony of this...