Transgender Time Lapse Video Shows Three-Year Male To Female Transition

  • metta

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    Jan 10, 2013 3:17 AM GMT

    Transgender Time Lapse Video Shows Three-Year Male To Female Transition




    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/09/transgender-time-lapse-video-transition_n_2441099.html
  • kevmoran

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    Jan 10, 2013 3:24 AM GMT
    She's beautiful!

    That stuff takes guts, major credit to her.
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    Jan 10, 2013 3:34 AM GMT
    Meh, she looked hotter as a guy. icon_razz.gif
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    Jan 10, 2013 3:36 AM GMT
    She's pretty!
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    Jan 10, 2013 3:58 AM GMT
    "He" has not become a "she". He will always be a man, because his DNA will always remain male. What he has done is change his gender EXPRESSION. Big difference.
  • kevmoran

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    Jan 10, 2013 4:09 AM GMT
    Scruffypup said"He" has not become a "she". He will always be a man, because his DNA will always remain male. What he has done is change his gender EXPRESSION. Big difference.

    That's exactly what gender is. Gender is what you socially and emotionally identify with. Most likely she has felt female on the inside her whole life, and now she can be female socially and physically. Sex (which I'm assuming you meant) is what naughty bits you have, and yes she will always be of male sex to some extent. Just because you don't understand her situation/happiness doesn't mean it isn't valid.
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    Jan 10, 2013 4:13 AM GMT
    Good for her! She was lucky to had had a clean androgynous face to begin with for a smooth transition.
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    Jan 10, 2013 4:14 AM GMT
    kevmoran said
    Scruffypup said"He" has not become a "she". He will always be a man, because his DNA will always remain male. What he has done is change his gender EXPRESSION. Big difference.

    That's exactly what gender is. Gender is what you socially and emotionally identify with. Most likely she has felt female on the inside her whole life, and now she can be female socially and physically. Sex (which I'm assuming you meant) is what naughty bits you have, and yes she will always be of male sex to some extent. Just because you don't understand her situation/happiness doesn't mean it isn't valid.



    I wasn't saying he/she isn't "valid" at all. Just merely pointing out that gender is not a black or white issue. Gender Expression is not technically changing your sex. Any biologist will confirm this. My point is we need more accurate terms to express what we're talking about in this area. Because M2F in my opinion is not an accurate term.
  • kevmoran

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    Jan 10, 2013 4:46 AM GMT
    Scruffypup saidI wasn't saying he/she isn't "valid" at all. Just merely pointing out that gender is not a black or white issue. Gender Expression is not technically changing your sex. Any biologist will confirm this. My point is we need more accurate terms to express what we're talking about in this area. Because M2F in my opinion is not an accurate term.

    That's a lot better than what I thought you meant...
    But unfortunately for social reasons it is black and white. Physically and emotionally, even I'm not 100% one gender, I'm some androgynous mess, but socially I'm male and male only. And she wanted to be female only. Biggest problem with it is just how other people will always perceive her as a M2F as opposed to just an "F"
  • HottJoe

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    Jan 10, 2013 4:56 AM GMT
    Wow, I'm impressed with how she looks! Usually m2fs overcompensate with makeup, but she looks like a laid back chill gal!icon_smile.gif
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    Jan 10, 2013 5:15 AM GMT
    Very brave of her and she looks quite good.

    Genetics and bones may point towards male, but if he has always felt and behaves like a she...Then we shouldn't stop her from being one...Being a woman and transgender woman at that face a lot of heat.
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    Jan 10, 2013 5:24 AM GMT
    Interesting.

    She looks happier as a girl.
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    Jan 10, 2013 6:15 AM GMT
    I visited one of my friends in the transplant ward, after she had a liver transplant. Everyone else on the ward was having a sex change.icon_eek.gif She was laying there, barely alive, and all she wanted to do was get up and take a look at the "she males" icon_rolleyes.gif
  • TheBizMan

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    Jan 10, 2013 7:57 AM GMT
    Wow, much of his bone structure changed to become far more delicate. Do the estrogen pills do that or would he have gotten surgery?
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    Jan 10, 2013 12:55 PM GMT
    kevmoran said
    But unfortunately for social reasons it is black and white. Physically and emotionally, even I'm not 100% one gender, I'm some androgynous mess, but socially I'm male and male only. And she wanted to be female only. Biggest problem with it is just how other people will always perceive her as a M2F as opposed to just an "F"


    Delusional thought is delusional thought. If our society thinks in black or white, that is a dysfunction of our society and should be addressed. Language exists for a reason, and it's important that our terms reflect the reality of what they are attempting to describe. Terminology and facts cannot be altered to make people feel warm and fuzzy inside. The fact is, he/she is not a M2F, but a male human being who expresses himself as female. We need a word for this, but since this is a relatively new phenomenon, we do not currently have one. Any suggestions on a new term to describe this type of person?
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    Jan 10, 2013 1:06 PM GMT
    TheBizMan saidWow, much of his bone structure changed to become far more delicate. Do the estrogen pills do that or would he have gotten surgery?


    Estrogen alone creates dramatic changes, but this particular person had surgery in addition to hormones. The most obvious surgical alteration was a Rhinoplasty. Although it appears the jawline was narrowed with surgery, so much of the jaw can be soft tissue, and my guess is the new slender jawline is due to hormones....not surgery. Plus, not many people want to endure the recovery process from jawbone surgery.
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    Jan 10, 2013 1:19 PM GMT
    datscarf said
    Scruffypup said
    kevmoran said
    But unfortunately for social reasons it is black and white. Physically and emotionally, even I'm not 100% one gender, I'm some androgynous mess, but socially I'm male and male only. And she wanted to be female only. Biggest problem with it is just how other people will always perceive her as a M2F as opposed to just an "F"


    Delusional thought is delusional thought. If our society thinks in black or white, that is a dysfunction of our society and should be addressed. Language exists for a reason, and it's important that our terms reflect the reality of what they are attempting to describe. Terminology and facts cannot be altered to make people feel warm and fuzzy inside. The fact is, he/she is not a M2F, but a male human being who expresses himself as female. We need a word for this, but since this is a relatively new phenomenon, we do not currently have one. Any suggestions on a new term to describe this type of person?


    I think Indonesia has like 5 or 7 genders
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  • HottJoe

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    Jan 10, 2013 2:49 PM GMT
    Even if I fantasized about being feminized by my bf, I enjoy being a man too much to want to change it... I wonder if people ever regret the decision, like someone who gets a tattoo they later want removed.
  • TheBizMan

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    Jan 10, 2013 3:06 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidEven if I fantasized about being feminized by my bf, I enjoy being a man too much to want to change it... I wonder if people ever regret the decision, like someone who gets a tattoo they later want removed.

    Mr. Garrison regretted it
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    Jan 10, 2013 3:17 PM GMT
    Scruffypup said
    kevmoran said
    But unfortunately for social reasons it is black and white. Physically and emotionally, even I'm not 100% one gender, I'm some androgynous mess, but socially I'm male and male only. And she wanted to be female only. Biggest problem with it is just how other people will always perceive her as a M2F as opposed to just an "F"


    Delusional thought is delusional thought. If our society thinks in black or white, that is a dysfunction of our society and should be addressed. Language exists for a reason, and it's important that our terms reflect the reality of what they are attempting to describe. Terminology and facts cannot be altered to make people feel warm and fuzzy inside. The fact is, he/she is not a M2F, but a male human being who expresses himself as female. We need a word for this, but since this is a relatively new phenomenon, we do not currently have one. Any suggestions on a new term to describe this type of person?


    Expressing themselves as female...hmmm....well, a drag queen does that, and so the term is a little too vague.
    Sure, genetically they are still their former sex, but physically they are no longer. Transgender or sex change is, I think, better and more accurate. icon_wink.gif
  • kevmoran

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    Jan 10, 2013 4:26 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidEven if I fantasized about being feminized by my bf, I enjoy being a man too much to want to change it... I wonder if people ever regret the decision, like someone who gets a tattoo they later want removed.

    I actually had a FTM friend that started his transition when he was 15. He's now 24, realized he's "gay" (attracted to men), and wants to go back. Probably never will.
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    Jan 10, 2013 4:28 PM GMT
    Scruffypup said
    kevmoran said
    But unfortunately for social reasons it is black and white. Physically and emotionally, even I'm not 100% one gender, I'm some androgynous mess, but socially I'm male and male only. And she wanted to be female only. Biggest problem with it is just how other people will always perceive her as a M2F as opposed to just an "F"


    Delusional thought is delusional thought. If our society thinks in black or white, that is a dysfunction of our society and should be addressed. Language exists for a reason, and it's important that our terms reflect the reality of what they are attempting to describe. Terminology and facts cannot be altered to make people feel warm and fuzzy inside. The fact is, he/she is not a M2F, but a male human being who expresses himself as female. We need a word for this, but since this is a relatively new phenomenon, we do not currently have one. Any suggestions on a new term to describe this type of person?

    Well from what I can say from friends, most of them do not want to be a separate entity or name. They just want to blend in as the gender they choose and be able to live like all other females or males do. If they want their own category, they've got trannies, shemales, etc. But I do like your thought process.
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    Jan 10, 2013 4:35 PM GMT
    kevmoran said
    HottJoe saidEven if I fantasized about being feminized by my bf, I enjoy being a man too much to want to change it... I wonder if people ever regret the decision, like someone who gets a tattoo they later want removed.

    I actually had a FTM friend that started his transition when he was 15. He's now 24, realized he's "gay" (attracted to men), and wants to go back. Probably never will.


    Hmmm....from the transmen I know it's been described as same-sex-oriented-attraction. For some, whatever gender a person is, or becomes, is what attracts them.
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    Jan 10, 2013 6:02 PM GMT
    Scruffypup said"He" has not become a "she". He will always be a man, because his DNA will always remain male. What he has done is change his gender EXPRESSION. Big difference.


    And you are ignorant and close minded. He is now a she because she has changed who she is on most physical levels. Biology does not define what sex you have to be. She is a woman. End of story.
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    Jan 10, 2013 6:07 PM GMT
    It kind of helped that she was sort of 'pretty' as a male because it worked out really well as a woman. I think she is gorgeous and I think most men who are straight wouldn't even think twice about sleeping with her!