Rev. Louie Giglio Withdraws from Inaugural Program After Controversy Over Comments on Gay Rights

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    Jan 10, 2013 4:47 PM GMT
    Minister Withdraws from Inaugural Program After Controversy Over Comments on Gay Rights


    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/11/us/politics/minister-withdraws-from-inaugural-program-after-controversy-over-comments-on-gay-rights.html?_r=0
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    Jan 10, 2013 4:48 PM GMT
    Anti-Gay Pastor Removed From Inaugural Program

    http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2013/01/10/1429501/anti-gay-pastor-removed-from-inaugural-program/

    "Addie Whisenant of the Presidential Inaugural Committee said in a statement:
    We were not aware of Pastor Giglio’s past comments at the time of his selection and they don’t reflect our desire to celebrate the strength and diversity of our country at this Inaugural. Pastor Giglio was asked to deliver the benediction in large part for his leadership in combating human trafficking around the world. As we now work to select someone to deliver the benediction, we will ensure their beliefs reflect this administration’s vision of inclusion and acceptance for all Americans."
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    Jan 10, 2013 5:01 PM GMT
    As soon as I saw that name, I thought, "how long until..."
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    Jan 11, 2013 3:02 AM GMT
    I've met him before in person, beleive me the last thing he is, is a bigot.
    The sermon they're quoting him is from 1992.. thats over 20 years ago.
    He's man filled with love for all people and sexualities, and a man of strong faith.
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    Jan 11, 2013 3:11 AM GMT
    ^ I've seen him preach at least twice, and I agree entirely with the previous poster. He is very passionate about God's love for all of mankind, regardless of who they are. A man's views can change a lot in twenty years, and while this sermon in particular was very far off the mark, it is unfortunate that it kept him from giving the benediction.
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    Jan 11, 2013 3:31 AM GMT
    OBAMA only came to FULLY embrace GLBT rights last year after he was essentially "outed" by his VP Biden. I'm not sure that a 21 year old sermon and opinion should have this much clout..... For me personally, religion is irrelevant. I am sure that some Atheist, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu, Druid, or others will be offended that a "Christian" gave a benediction....its all for show and meaningless so lets just get at the business of our country.icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jan 11, 2013 3:41 AM GMT
    Sporty_g saidOBAMA only came to FULLY embrace GLBT rights last year after he was essentially "outed" by his VP Biden. I'm not sure that a 21 year old sermon and opinion should have this much clout..... For me personally, religion is irrelevant. I am sure that some Atheist, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu, Druid, or others will be offended that a "Christian" gave a benediction....its all for show and meaningless so lets just get at the business of our country.icon_rolleyes.gif

    My dear Sporty: We agree on many things, but on politics we diverge. The fact is Obama has been the most pro-gay US President in history.

    He's been slow to act, I concede, and often disappointing me. But still, more pro-gay things have been accomplished in his first term than ever before, against strong Republican opposition. I hope you'll take that into consideration, for all his shortcomings. I don't think any other President, and certainly no Republican contender, would have done as much.
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    Jan 11, 2013 4:44 AM GMT
    Sporty_g saidOBAMA only came to FULLY embrace GLBT rights last year after he was essentially "outed" by his VP Biden. I'm not sure that a 21 year old sermon and opinion should have this much clout..... For me personally, religion is irrelevant. I am sure that some Atheist, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu, Druid, or others will be offended that a "Christian" gave a benediction....its all for show and meaningless so lets just get at the business of our country.icon_rolleyes.gif


    Giglio has shown by the company he keeps (including "ex-gay" advocacy) where he's evolved, and his defensiveness ("Oh noes, someone has an agenda!") reinforces that. As Biden did for Obie, let's have some of his conservative buddies "out" him into issuing a more moderate stance (like, I dunno, a retraction? "That's where I was, here's where I'm at now.") Would have taken all of 30 seconds.

    He is reportedly a "powerful voice for ending human trafficking and global sex slavery." If anyone has an agenda, it's him. And it's a good one, one that sadly gets ignored now all because HE needed someone, anyone, after two decades, to tell him he might want to address homophobic SERMONS. Homophobia was the agenda he wants us to believe he used to have, one that magically went away once he could pass it along to Falwell and their 'ex-gay' buddies.

    This is a huge country. If we can't find one conservative Christian pastor that is where the majority of the country is on equality to dish out a benediction or whatever this is, then that's not a White House problem, that's a conservative Christianity problem.
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    Jan 11, 2013 4:51 AM GMT
    volsfan315 said^ I've seen him preach at least twice, and I agree entirely with the previous poster. He is very passionate about God's love for all of mankind, regardless of who they are. A man's views can change a lot in twenty years, and while this sermon in particular was very far off the mark, it is unfortunate that it kept him from giving the benediction.

    Chuck Hagel, anyone? How is that different. I mean, didn't he have Rick Warren at his first inauguration who likely taught the same stuff?
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    Jan 11, 2013 2:21 PM GMT
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2929879

    Cory Booker proved a man doesn't have to wait twenty-plus years to come around (News Flash: Giglio hasn't come around. And he's not giving addresses at Falwell's Liberty University as recently as last November if he had.)

    All Louie G. had to do was step out of his bubble, listen to the harm his actions and deeds and willful ignorance caused, then correct his stance so it's clear to EVERYONE twenty years later.

    As most have already said, he's to the right of even Rick Warren. Like Slick Rick, he'll now spend a ton of time balancing along the Third Christian Rail of walking back his statements of the past without pissing them off. Time that was unnecessary, had he taken the time to be mature and walk it back himself during any of the three presidential eras prior.

    Of course, there's no rush now, not with all the money to be made from the "Help! I'm a Victim of Big Gay!" world tour, sponsored by Big Ot.
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    Jan 11, 2013 2:24 PM GMT
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    volsfan315 said^ I've seen him preach at least twice, and I agree entirely with the previous poster. He is very passionate about God's love for all of mankind, regardless of who they are. A man's views can change a lot in twenty years, and while this sermon in particular was very far off the mark, it is unfortunate that it kept him from giving the benediction.

    Chuck Hagel, anyone? How is that different. I mean, didn't he have Rick Warren at his first inauguration who likely taught the same stuff?


    Congrats to Chuck Hagel on his presidency. icon_wink.gif

    Like Giglio, Hagel's a Republican. Unlike Giglio, Hagel has, can, and will retract his statements without withdrawing or cowering from them, without fearing the risk of biting off a Xtianist hand that feeds him.
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    Jan 11, 2013 5:13 PM GMT
    Lawrence O'Donnell“This time, as it was last time for the first time in history, the book will be held by a First Lady who is a descendent of slaves.

    But the holy book she will be holding does not contain one word of God condemning slavery. Not one word.

    But that same book, which spends hundreds and hundreds of pages condemning all sorts of things and couldn’t find one sentence in here to condemn slavery, does indeed manage to find the space to repeatedly condemn gay people, as the now banished Louie Giglio says it does.

    And as the First Lady is holding that book for the President, sitting somewhere near them will be a pastor who the Inauguration Committee will make sure is much more adept at hiding what that book actually says than Louie Giglio was.”

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    Jan 11, 2013 5:16 PM GMT
    Thanks for sharing. At least the White House took responsibility for failing to properly vet him. It's good to know that some people aren't asleep at the wheel.
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    Jan 11, 2013 8:42 PM GMT


    I disagree on the "not one word" thing (Let my people go?), but beyond that, right on, Lawrence!
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    Jan 11, 2013 10:41 PM GMT
    ART_DECO said. The fact is Obama has been the most pro-gay US President in history.

    Other US Presidents have been allies. They just waited until after they left the White House to do so.
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    Jan 12, 2013 4:49 AM GMT

    Right Wing Goes Crazy After Anti-Gay Pastor Withdraws

    http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2013/01/10/1431811/right-wing-goes-crazy-after-anti-gay-pastor/
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    Jan 13, 2013 2:44 PM GMT
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    Jan 13, 2013 2:53 PM GMT
    http://www.talk2action.org/story/2013/1/11/14921/7815

    Bruce WilsonGiglio might have plausibly claimed that his views on homosexuality had evolved since the 1990s sermon, except that his ministry has also, since 2008 (when the Watoto choir sang at Giglio's Passion conference in Kampala) or earlier, had an institutional relationship with a church in the vanguard of Uganda's mounting crusade against LGBTI rights, the Watoto Christian Church -- whose church elder Stephen Langa has played a central role in agitating for the so-called "Kill the Gays" bill that has loomed before Uganda's parliament since 2009.

    Langa is now one of four alleged co-conspirators named in lawsuit over a supposed plot to deprive Ugandan LGBTI citizens of their human rights.


    Bruce WilsonPastor Louie Giglio's suggestion, that gay rights has not been among his "priorities" for for fifteen to twenty years, is indeed born out by the facts. While it would be hard to make a case that pastor Giglio bears any direct responsibility for the Uganda Anti Homosexuality Bill, his association with (and promotion of) the Watoto Christian Church raises serious questions.

    Indeed, Giglio seems to have so utterly ignored the issue that even as the Watoto Church was emerging as a hotbed of anti-gay rights activism, the public relations apparatus of Giglio's rapidly growing "Passion" conference, whose 501(c)(3) nonprofit parent ministry was in 2010 was funded with over $12 million dollars, was presenting the Watoto church as an exemplar of philanthropic activism, for the church's efforts to help orphaned Ugandan children.

    The development of these parallel tracks, with Giglio's Passion conferences ramping up in tandem with growing anti-LGBTI activism from the Watoto church, and rising persecution of gay Ugandans, is jarring. In late 2009, as international concern was mounting over the draconian Anti Homosexuality Bill looming before Uganda's parliament, I broke the news [4] that Lou Engle was planning to stage one of his antigay The Call rallies in Kampala, Uganda in May 2010.

    Watoto Christian Church (formerly known as the Kampala Pentecostal Church) head pastor Gary Skinner was one of the officially listed endorsers of New Apostolic Reformation prophet Lou Engle's TheCall rally. [5] The website of TheCall Uganda declared the rally was intended to "cry to God to help us with the challenges in our country..." The listed challenges included witchcraft, human sacrifice, and homosexuality. Onstage at the event, major Ugandan religious and political leaders called for speedy passage into law of the Anti Homosexuality Bill.

    A few months before Engle held the May 2010 event, Louie Giglio's January 2-5, 2010 yearly "Passion" conference, at the Philips Arena & Georgia World Congress Center in Atlanta, featured Marilyn Skinner (wife of Watoto Christian Church head Gary Skinner), who joined Giglio for a conference breakout session on "Justice and Worship". Less than a year later, Ugandan David Kato, widely considered the father of Uganda's gay rights movement, was murdered, his skull smashed in with a hammer.

    In 2012, the Watoto Church was one of four Ugandan churches selling tickets to Giglio's October 2012 "Passion" conference held at Kampala's Makerere University. Pastor Giglio has been staging his "Passion" events in Uganda since 2008 or earlier but does not seem to have been moved to make any public statements on Uganda's Anti Homosexuality Bill -- which, if it becomes law, would establish the death penalty for Ugandans who repeatedly engage in homosexual acts and require that citizens inform government authorities about persons suspected of being gay.

    The January 2010 "Passion" conference also featured a screening of an historically revisionist eight minute video [6] that showcased the philanthropic efforts of the Skinners' Watoto Church, in taking care of Ugandans orphaned by the long conflict in Northern Uganda, home of Uganda's Acholi tribespeople.

    The video whitewashed the history of the long conflict in the Acholi region, which created the orphans, by neglecting to mention the massive human rights violations in perpetrated by the Ugandan government during the conflict, and by blaming it solely on Joseph Kony's Lord's Reformation Army.