The Most Hypocritical Thing on RJ

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    Jan 10, 2013 8:48 PM GMT
    I started not to post it because I am not one for confrontation or drama, but this had been bothering me for a while.

    I believe in God. I am a Pentecostal Christian. If you don't that is fine, I would never make/force/condemn anyone. I am worried about my own salvation and my own judgement.

    Recently there was a topic posted, where someone made some pretty horrific comments about Aids in the past, and the topic ripped this to shreds.

    Honestly hearing the things that were said, I can't really blame thing...I don't think it was the right way to go about it, yet the anger and right to be upset was there.

    Now this is my point.

    You see things in the thread with people going,
    "That's not right" "It's distasteful." "You shouldnt joke about that." "People deal with those issues all the time" and so on and so forth.

    Then some of the same people will go into a spirituality topic, and said the most offensive things about God/Jesus and what I believe and passively insult me as a believer.

    I feel like if you are going to have respect for some one, then have respect for all. Unless someone is a serial killer, rapist, etc... then everyone deserves respect.

    I'm sure people are going to find certain things to knit pick about this post but whatever. My point is that God is the head of my life, and I honestly do not know how I could even go on with out him or my faith.

    I am not asking people to believe in what I believe, but to respect it.
    And for those who say they won't, then you really shouldn't get mad when someone disrespects you.

    Edit: I don't plan on revisiting this topic... I just wanted to put how I feel out there.
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    Jan 10, 2013 9:00 PM GMT
    I think religion and politics are always up for debate, even though sometimes it gets nasty. People are allowed to question governing forces, or the existence of a creator.

    Making fun of people who died of a disease on the other hand is just inhumane.
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    Jan 10, 2013 9:08 PM GMT
    Be careful. You're starting to sound like a Muslim...ya know...the religion that kills people for making fun of it.
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    Jan 10, 2013 9:08 PM GMT
    People are allowed to question and mock the validity of anything. Any-thing. Including religion, moral authority, prescribed dogma and the taboo of off-colour humour on the most sensitive of subjects, such as disease, for example.

    Absolutely anything is up for debate and satire (as opposed to hate speech and personal attacks on this privately owned site of course- although, in reality, both of these are a dime a dozen found all over the forums, and elsewhere). It's a protected right in most developed countries.

    And yes, we all have the right to question an inalienable right. That doesn't make it any less inalienable.

    The sooner individuals and groups of people learn to stop getting so emotionally invested in and vulnerable to the goings on in on-line world of forums/message boards, the better it will be for the state of their short and long term emotional equilibrium.

    That is all.
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    Jan 10, 2013 9:11 PM GMT
    Sorry.

    Among the tenets of your religion is that nonbelievers (and likely homosexuals) will go to hell.

    I feel for your having reconcile your sexuality with your religion and can try to respect you as a person, so long as the religion stays on the sideline.

    But I don't respect the religion becuase it doesn't respect me. Don't know of a way around that.
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    Jan 10, 2013 9:14 PM GMT
    This has the potential of getting interesting....
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    Jan 10, 2013 9:19 PM GMT
    Also, it's not your responsibility to demand they respect you. Actually, try not to even expect it. If someone treats you disrespectfully because of your faith, be kind to them anyway. Brush the dust from your sandals and keep going.
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    Jan 10, 2013 9:27 PM GMT

    "I am not asking people to believe in what I believe, but to respect it.
    And for those who say they won't, then you really shouldn't get mad when someone disrespects you."

    This asks too much, and I'm Christian. The Westboro church members could join this site and use your argument rather efficiently.
    Jamie, as I explained in a spirituality topic to you:

    'JamiefromtheA, consider that many people have been basted, marinated, par-boiled, roasted, and slow cooked most of their lives in a simmering soup of persecutive christianity and coming to RJ is respite from that. Understandably when more of the same is dished up here there are going to be snipings and sneers.

    Besides, I hardly think god or christ so weak that the opinions of some (inserted) NON BELIEVING people are going to harm them in some way.

    Really you're inferring that people who don't believe in god and make fun of religion deserve it if other people make fun of them for either having AIDS, catching it, or wishing them to catch it. (which really isn't very christian of you)

    What did Christ say to do?




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    Jan 10, 2013 9:36 PM GMT
    [quote][cite]JamieJfromtheA said[/cite...three paragraphs deleted for brevity...
    Now this is my point.

    ...three moar paragraphs deleted for brevity...

    I'm sure people are going to find certain things to knit pick about this post but whatever.

    ...three moar paragraphs deleted for brevity... [/quote]

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    Jan 10, 2013 9:37 PM GMT
    meninlove said What did Christ say to do?
    Be fishers of men.

    And that means all straight guys and lesbians are going to hell.
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    Jan 10, 2013 9:42 PM GMT
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    meninlove said What did Christ say to do?
    Be fishers of men.

    And that means all straight guys and lesbians are going to hell.


    lol, actually it's in Matthew's writings.

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    Jan 10, 2013 9:44 PM GMT
    meninlove said
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    meninlove said What did Christ say to do?
    Be fishers of men.

    And that means all straight guys and lesbians are going to hell.


    lol, actually it's in Matthew's writings.

    I hooked up with a guy named Matthew once. Does this mean I'll be saved?
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    Jan 10, 2013 9:50 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidI think religion and politics are always up for debate, even though sometimes it gets nasty. People are allowed to question governing forces, or the existence of a creator.

    Making fun of people who died of a disease on the other hand is just inhumane.


    Sorry but I just don't think that's true.
    If the place and time is adequate, in my opinion, any situation can be used humorously. Most anyone here wouldn't flinch on jokes about slavery, women, black people, etc, even though the history has been infinitely cruel and painful on them. You know why? Because we grew out of it, because we now live in free and relatively equal societies, whereas the AIDS events are still recent and ongoing (and, obviously, we're the most touched segment of the population).

    So anyway, maybe it's not the time for you, or for me, or for this forum, but don't spread hatred around. Jokes are never "inhumane" if they are used properly.
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    Jan 10, 2013 10:08 PM GMT
    Rita said
    HottJoe saidI think religion and politics are always up for debate, even though sometimes it gets nasty. People are allowed to question governing forces, or the existence of a creator.

    Making fun of people who died of a disease on the other hand is just inhumane.


    Sorry but I just don't think that's true.
    If the place and time is adequate, in my opinion, any situation can be used humorously. Most anyone here wouldn't flinch on jokes about slavery, women, black people, etc, even though the history has been infinitely cruel and painful on them. You know why? Because we grew out of it, because we now live in free and relatively equal societies, whereas the AIDS events are still recent and ongoing (and, obviously, we're the most touched segment of the population).

    So anyway, maybe it's not the time for you, or for me, or for this forum, but don't spread hatred around. Jokes are never "inhumane" if they are used properly.


    Wow. Your logic disturbs me.icon_eek.gif There is never a good time to make fun of people who have died of a disease. Period.
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    Jan 10, 2013 10:14 PM GMT
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    Rita said
    HottJoe saidI think religion and politics are always up for debate, even though sometimes it gets nasty. People are allowed to question governing forces, or the existence of a creator.

    Making fun of people who died of a disease on the other hand is just inhumane.


    Sorry but I just don't think that's true.
    If the place and time is adequate, in my opinion, any situation can be used humorously. Most anyone here wouldn't flinch on jokes about slavery, women, black people, etc, even though the history has been infinitely cruel and painful on them. You know why? Because we grew out of it, because we now live in free and relatively equal societies, whereas the AIDS events are still recent and ongoing (and, obviously, we're the most touched segment of the population).

    So anyway, maybe it's not the time for you, or for me, or for this forum, but don't spread hatred around. Jokes are never "inhumane" if they are used properly.


    Wow. Your logic disturbs me.icon_eek.gif There is never a good time to make fun of people who have died of a disease. Period.
    And that's why "ring around the rosie" was never a wildly popular nursery rhyme with the older generation. icon_wink.gif
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_a_Ring_o'_Roses
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    Jan 10, 2013 10:19 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    "I am not asking people to believe in what I believe, but to respect it.
    And for those who say they won't, then you really shouldn't get mad when someone disrespects you."

    This asks too much, and I'm Christian. The Westboro church members could join this site and use your argument rather efficiently.
    Jamie, as I explained in a spirituality topic to you:

    'JamiefromtheA, consider that many people have been basted, marinated, par-boiled, roasted, and slow cooked most of their lives in a simmering soup of persecutive christianity and coming to RJ is respite from that. Understandably when more of the same is dished up here there are going to be snipings and sneers.

    Besides, I hardly think god or christ so weak that the opinions of some (inserted) NON BELIEVING people are going to harm them in some way.

    Really you're inferring that people who don't believe in god and make fun of religion deserve it if other people make fun of them for either having AIDS, catching it, or wishing them to catch it. (which really isn't very christian of you)

    What did Christ say to do?






    NO!!!! That's not what I said at all.

    My topic wasnt even more so about the topic itself, more so the people who posted in it. I would never said something like that. I even said they had the right to be angry because it was wrong to make fun of that stuff. Nor would I ever make fun of anyone for having Aids, or condone anyone who does.

    what I am saying is that it is hyprocritical to go on rants and tangents about respect and then be disrespectful...that and ONLY that was the purpose of the topic.

    You misunderstood me completely and I am kind of surprised because I thought you of all people would think I would imply something like that...

    Key word, someone mentioned is Debate, you can debate all day, it's insults that I don;t care for. You can not believe what I believe and voice your opinion and still be respectful about it.

    That is my point.. and my only one.
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    Jan 10, 2013 10:23 PM GMT

    "what I am saying is that it is hyprocritical to go on rants and tangents about respect and then be disrespectful...that and ONLY that was the purpose of the topic."

    Then really that's all you should have posted instead of comparatively bringing up respect for a religion and AIDS sufferers etc. icon_wink.gif
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    Jan 10, 2013 10:26 PM GMT
    paulflexes said
    HottJoe said
    Rita said
    HottJoe saidI think religion and politics are always up for debate, even though sometimes it gets nasty. People are allowed to question governing forces, or the existence of a creator.

    Making fun of people who died of a disease on the other hand is just inhumane.


    Sorry but I just don't think that's true.
    If the place and time is adequate, in my opinion, any situation can be used humorously. Most anyone here wouldn't flinch on jokes about slavery, women, black people, etc, even though the history has been infinitely cruel and painful on them. You know why? Because we grew out of it, because we now live in free and relatively equal societies, whereas the AIDS events are still recent and ongoing (and, obviously, we're the most touched segment of the population).

    So anyway, maybe it's not the time for you, or for me, or for this forum, but don't spread hatred around. Jokes are never "inhumane" if they are used properly.


    Wow. Your logic disturbs me.icon_eek.gif There is never a good time to make fun of people who have died of a disease. Period.
    And that's why "ring around the rosie" was never a wildly popular nursery rhyme with the older generation. icon_wink.gif
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_a_Ring_o'_Roses


    You make a disturbing point.....icon_confused.gif
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    Jan 10, 2013 10:28 PM GMT
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    "what I am saying is that it is hyprocritical to go on rants and tangents about respect and then be disrespectful...that and ONLY that was the purpose of the topic."

    Then really that's all you should have posted instead of comparatively bringing up respect for a religion and AIDS sufferers etc.


    What I was saying is how people were in that topic saying so much about respect this and respect that and then go into another topic and be completely rude. I just used the Aids topic because it was the most recent...


    but I did explain that, so how it got to you thinking I was saying Aids people deserve it because they don't believe in God is beyond me, because I tried to make it as clear as I could that, that was not the reason.

    Aids really has nothing to do with my post, it was just the most recent topic I used where I notice very interesting behavior and thought processes.
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    Jan 10, 2013 10:28 PM GMT
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    HottJoe saidI think religion and politics are always up for debate, even though sometimes it gets nasty. People are allowed to question governing forces, or the existence of a creator.

    Making fun of people who died of a disease on the other hand is just inhumane.


    Sorry but I just don't think that's true.
    If the place and time is adequate, in my opinion, any situation can be used humorously. Most anyone here wouldn't flinch on jokes about slavery, women, black people, etc, even though the history has been infinitely cruel and painful on them. You know why? Because we grew out of it, because we now live in free and relatively equal societies, whereas the AIDS events are still recent and ongoing (and, obviously, we're the most touched segment of the population).

    So anyway, maybe it's not the time for you, or for me, or for this forum, but don't spread hatred around. Jokes are never "inhumane" if they are used properly.


    Wow. Your logic disturbs me.icon_eek.gif There is never a good time to make fun of people who have died of a disease. Period.


    But it's always the good time to make jokes about sexual violence and rape, right?

    HottJoeI'd gladly sexually assault you, but you already hate me enough as it is. icon_sad.gif

    ........Unless... Would being raped would change your mind? icon_razz.gif


    It's ok though, it's not like people really suffer or even die from sexual assaults anyway. Right?
    Man, they probably even enjoy it!
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    Jan 10, 2013 10:31 PM GMT
    I think he was just trying to draw a parallel. Not confuse or blur the lines between the two.

    He's saying. If you're going to jump on someone for making AIDs jokes, since it is disrespectful. Don't turn around and go into a thread involving religion and demean/belittle/make jokes about that person or their faith.

    I am, however, open to all funny jokes on any subject matter..so long as they're funny. The dead baby jokes...not funny. I tried and there is just nothing remotely humorous about them. Dumb baby jokes are what they are.
    So if you got good jokes, I'd love to hear them!
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    Jan 10, 2013 10:34 PM GMT
    As for the joke thing.

    I agree with both of you Hottjoe and Rita.

    Jokes and Comedy are used to make light of a situation.

    Think of Hurricane Katrina, The President and economy, Fema, Being Gay, etc etc etc

    All these things are serious to some people and effect millions, but jokes and comedy is used as a way to relieve stress.

    Laugh through the pain,

    My dad got his leg cut off and he was making jokes about it, to lighten the sitatuion. It's a means to try to give hope and not be so down, because being sad won't help.


    However, there is a time and place for everything and Aids is so rampant and deadly that with so many people it hits close to home so they find it iladvised.

    I was at the hospital and my dads best friend made a death joke, and I was pissed, because I thought it wasnt funny, but he was just trying to make light of the situation..

    However in that topics case this guy was just being hateful and nasty, and this was a bad kind of humor, a bullying kind of humor. The kind that hurts people's feelings, with the intent to hurt feelings, therefore it was not accepted.

    You are both right to me, but this is a different scenerio,
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    Jan 10, 2013 10:36 PM GMT
    ConfederateGhost saidI think he was just trying to draw a parallel. Not confuse or blur the lines between the two.

    He's saying. If you're going to jump on someone for making AIDs jokes, since it is disrespectful. Don't turn around and go into a thread involving religion and demean/belittle/make jokes about that person or their faith.

    I am, however, open to all funny jokes on any subject matter..so long as they're funny. The dead baby jokes...not funny. I tried and there is just nothing remotely humorous about them. Dumb baby jokes are what they are.
    So if you got good jokes, I'd love to hear them!


    This^ I don't see how I wasn't clear.
    Aids is a big deal to alot of people

    Just like God is to me and others. Neither deserve to be mocked.
    Debated, sure, questioned , Okay, but insulted or ridiculed.. No,
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    Jan 10, 2013 10:44 PM GMT
    In lieu of broad-brushing the larger RJ community with accusations of hypocrisy, bring it up with the individual(s) you believe to be engaging in hypocritical behavior (unless, of course, they're the usual lot of ire-provoking trolls, to whom I doubt your issue is directed). Copy and paste their conflicting commentary into your PRIVATE message and have a dispassionate discussion about your concern. #WhatWouldRealJockDo
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    Jan 10, 2013 11:33 PM GMT
    Rita said
    HottJoe said
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    HottJoe saidI think religion and politics are always up for debate, even though sometimes it gets nasty. People are allowed to question governing forces, or the existence of a creator.

    Making fun of people who died of a disease on the other hand is just inhumane.


    Sorry but I just don't think that's true.
    If the place and time is adequate, in my opinion, any situation can be used humorously. Most anyone here wouldn't flinch on jokes about slavery, women, black people, etc, even though the history has been infinitely cruel and painful on them. You know why? Because we grew out of it, because we now live in free and relatively equal societies, whereas the AIDS events are still recent and ongoing (and, obviously, we're the most touched segment of the population).

    So anyway, maybe it's not the time for you, or for me, or for this forum, but don't spread hatred around. Jokes are never "inhumane" if they are used properly.


    Wow. Your logic disturbs me.icon_eek.gif There is never a good time to make fun of people who have died of a disease. Period.


    But it's always the good time to make jokes about sexual violence and rape, right?

    HottJoeI'd gladly sexually assault you, but you already hate me enough as it is. icon_sad.gif

    ........Unless... Would being raped would change your mind? icon_razz.gif


    It's ok though, it's not like people really suffer or even die from sexual assaults anyway. Right?
    Man, they probably even enjoy it!


    You're taking my quote from another thread out of context, in order to justify telling AIDS jokes??? I've always disliked your posts, and clearly I was right to avoid you.