Prostate cancer and fiber

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    Jan 11, 2013 2:00 PM GMT
    http://www.everydayhealth.com/prostate-cancer/prostate-cancer-is-a-high-fiber-diet-the-key-to-prevention-2004.aspx
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    Jan 11, 2013 4:26 PM GMT
    Eat your tomatoes and ejaculate more often. That should do it too.

    Oh and as bottoms. Youre not likely to develop prostate cancer too because your prostate is constantly stimuled during sex. Another reason to try bottoming more I guess.
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    Jan 11, 2013 4:29 PM GMT
    Just to let you know Asian men have a high incidence of Stomach Cancers than any other race, this is due to their diet and how they cook it.

    Just masturbate once a day. That has proven to greatly lower the risk of prostate cancer. (Removing a build up of hormones)
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    Jan 11, 2013 7:33 PM GMT
    RadRTT saidJust to let you know Asian men have a high incidence of Stomach Cancers than any other race, this is due to their diet and how they cook it.

    Just masturbate once a day. That has proven to greatly lower the risk of prostate cancer. (Removing a build up of hormones)


    It's not the small amount of hormone in the ejaculate that is the issue. It's any toxins that accumulate there. THINK.

    False belief systems / religion / cults have always promoted a false belief that masturbation is bad for you. It is not. It's essential for good reproductive health.

    Anything that moves food through your guts faster is generally considered good...fiber...coffee (or any warm liquid). You need lots of water.

    Flaxseed oil is the single most effective thing you can take to lower bp, and help with some of this, and is the only oil that's fully endorsed by the American Heart Association, and endorsed as lowering bp from 5 to 15 mb systolic, time after time in scientific studies. Not organic marketing...but, real, scientific studies.

    Some folks have bad genes. I just had by prostate examined last week, and it's actually small, and my PSA is a 0.4. That, bearing in mind that I've been hard core bodybuilding for 39 years. It makes you wonder about and has caused Medicare and The CDC to seriously question the role of androgen in prostate cancer. Medicare has declared anti-androgen to have little long term affect on morality with a long list of bad effects: lethargy, bad mood, bone loss, LBM loss, another other diseases of ages that androgen has been known to make better.

    If you are older and your PSA is high, and a doctor recommends a anti-androgen, think long and hard about the negative effects of such treatment (not to mention the absurd costs), as well as get a second opinion. Typically, prostate cancer grows very slowly, and most folks will end up with some degree of it as they grow older. The thing is that you don't want it to spread to your intestines, and lungs, because lung cancer will kill you dead. Often, prostate cancer treatment causes more harm than help. In many, the prostate cancer is so slow, that a natural death will kill you before the prostate cancer. Nearly all males will have it at some point.
  • mascmuscle35

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    Jan 11, 2013 7:37 PM GMT
    I have been doing the http://www.forksoverknives.com/ diet. Their stats on cancer prevention are amazing. I have really cut back on my animal proteins. I am not 100% .....I am vegan before 10.30 icon_smile.gif
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    Jan 11, 2013 7:40 PM GMT
    I've cut way back on my red meat. I gobble down flaxseed oil. My cholesterol has never been high, but, my HDLs are not where they should be.
  • stratavos

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    Jan 11, 2013 7:59 PM GMT
    prostate massages do more for preventing prostate cancer than high fiber diets if it`s about comparing them 1 to 1.

    And much more fun icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jan 11, 2013 8:43 PM GMT
    chuckystud said

    It's not the small amount of hormone in the ejaculate that is the issue. It's any toxins that accumulate there. THINK.
    Toxins???? oh god? once again you call into question my expertise in the Oncology field...WHERE IS YOUR RADIATION ONCOLOGY DEGREE? Have you treated over 3000 Prostate Cancer Patients? Why don't you THINK
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    Jan 11, 2013 9:44 PM GMT
    stratavos saidprostate massages do more for preventing prostate cancer than high fiber diets if it`s about comparing them 1 to 1.

    And much more fun icon_biggrin.gif


    +1

    It is about expressing the fluids and any toxins it contains. That's science that just happens to feel neato.
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    Jan 11, 2013 9:46 PM GMT
    RadRTT said
    chuckystud said

    It's not the small amount of hormone in the ejaculate that is the issue. It's any toxins that accumulate there. THINK.
    Toxins???? oh god? once again you call into question my expertise in the Oncology field...WHERE IS YOUR RADIATION ONCOLOGY DEGREE? Have you treated over 3000 Prostate Cancer Patients? Why don't you THINK


    I have also read, at great length, about the overuse of those treatments, and well as anti-androgen, and watched it.

    My dad, my dad's brother, my uncle, have all been down this path.

    You need to expand the scope of your research. My statements about Medicare are fully qualified.

    Just because you're a butcher, doesn't mean you know everything about disease. Right?

    What I'm talking about is real statistics from real geriatric populations as well as personal experience.

    You're just a worker bee.

    Reality is that many cases are best left UNTREATED.

    My dad was being raped by Big Pharm at $6000 per shot, quarterly. You should be embarrassed. Prostate cancer is NOT going to kill him. Congestive heart failure will.
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    Jan 11, 2013 10:21 PM GMT
    Prostate Cancer will KILL him when it metastasis to his BONES! Which happens more often than you would think! Also I have studied in great length different treatment methods...And let me tell you do you know how many people come back to us after they declined Radiotherapy because of those "STUDIES" and we end up treating them to RELIEVE THEM OF THEIR PAIN and not save their lives....
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    Jan 11, 2013 10:44 PM GMT
    I was diagnosed with prostate cancer at age 62. Yet I had ejaculated almost every day of my adult life, and still do. I eat a healthy diet, plenty of fiber, and I don't smoke. My prostate health should have been good. But my Father also had prostate cancer, which apparently increases risk in a son, and at an earlier age I was told.

    When mine was found it was pretty advanced, a moderately high-risk of 8 on the Gleason Scale, and the concern was that it was poised to spread elsewhere. That's what killed my Father when it moved to his bones.

    My partner & I sat down with the doctors and discussed my options. The active surveillance method was discussed, but dismissed as too risky in my case, and really too late for it. Nor was hormone suppression alone deemed adequate at that point.

    Another option was surgical removal. A friend had that done, and became both impotent and incontinent, 2 "i" words no man likes to hear. I felt I wasn't ready for Depends.

    Whereas my husband had radiation for his own prostate cancer 7 years earlier, from the same radiation oncologist I was now consulting. Cancer-free today, and still sexually active and never incontinent, I thought that was a good endorsement for that approach.

    My only doubt was that I was being told the entire truth, since 18 years before my Father's doctors made the decision not to tell him how serious his own cancer was, and I was brought into that deception. I expressed those fears here in the forums at the time. It took some months before I was satisfied my doctors were being completely open & honest with me.

    And so I began radiation therapy, along with testosterone suppression (Lupron injections), since the male hormone accelerates prostate cancer growth. I received radiation daily for 6 weeks, following by robo-surgery implanting of 62 radioactive seeds directly into my prostate. Each the size of a grain of rice, they remain inside me for life, never dissolving or being expelled, though eventually becoming radioactively inert.

    A year after treatment ended I'm showing no cancer, though it will be 4 more years before I'll be considered likely free of it for good. In the meantime I have no incontinence, other than for a brief time immediately post-surgery, and I'm sexually fully functional. The only drawback is my penis has shrunk a bit, an expected side effect of this approach, mainly due to the Lupron.

    There is no one-size-fits-all answer to prostate cancer. Patient and doctor must explore the options together, based on the degree of threat. Active surveillance may be adequate in some cases, but not all.

    The worst thing is to make a decision on your own to do nothing, assuming your own prostate cancer to be not aggressive, and that it will not be spreading. A doctor's input is vital. If your PSA spikes, as mine did, or any physical anomalies are noted during a DRE (digital rectal exam), it's time to find out why without delay. Maybe it's just an infection, prostatitis, and some antibiotics will clear it up. But first you've gotta find out what's going on through tests, it's not something you can determine on your own.
  • LJay

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    Jan 11, 2013 11:16 PM GMT
    Art Deco, your post reminds of some important things.

    First, dismissing prostate cancer as a minor annoyance is not always wise. True, for some, including my father, it does not kill, but for some it does. For Dad, it made him incredibly uncomfortable because the enlargement made urinating difficult. draining his bladder actually allowed him to relax and die in comfort. Congestive heart failure was the larger problem, though.

    Second, anecdotes and semi-slogans tend to make us less aware at times rather than more informed. You often hear that prostate cancer is not necessarily a problem an that makes a lot of assume that it is never a problem, simply because that is what we prefer to believe.

    Third, you have to lead your own research. The most interested party in this affair is YOU and no one else can really make the decisions. My experience with cancer has made me realize that knowledge is a great help in assuaging anxiety and in helping a patient to accept and deal with things rationally and less emotionally. You did well in sorting out options and I hope the long haul is satisfactory, but whatever betides, you will have the knowledge that confidence and control are your allies.



  • barriehomeboy

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    Jan 12, 2013 2:14 AM GMT
    I'm a prostate cancer survivor and a medical kind of guy. Fibre in your diet, and in your bowel, is not going to get anywhere near your prostate. That's quackery.
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    Jan 12, 2013 2:41 AM GMT
    barriehomeboy saidI'm a prostate cancer survivor and a medical kind of guy. Fibre in your diet, and in your bowel, is not going to get anywhere near your prostate. That's quackery.


    Perhaps. But here's the reason being postulated:

    "The reason is that a major ingredient in the high-fiber diet, inositol hexaphosphate (IP6), helped prevent the prostate tumors from producing new blood vessels, which are necessary to nourish the cancer and allow it to grow and spread. The high-fiber diet also seems to reduce the rate at which prostate tumors use sugar (glucose)."

    IP6 would reach the prostate in the blood.
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    Jan 12, 2013 7:21 AM GMT
    Here's the thing people I am a medical professional in Oncology. I am a licensed ARRT Radiation Therapist. I am a member of the ASRT. I also hold individual state licenses in Massachusetts, Florida, and Maryland.

    I treat cancer, I see my patients more then anyone in the Oncology field, and I am educated in detecting tumors. I know all the Chemotherapy agents, I know all the surgeries, and I know all the holistic approaches as well.

    If anyone has any questions, please feel free to e-mail me. I am 100% QUALIFIED to give you the answers and all my answers will be backed up with resources if you ask for them!
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    Jan 12, 2013 11:31 PM GMT
    Be reminded that cancer treatment is not limited to radiation therapy. Always consult more than a single source.

    Many folks are over treated here, because of the huge amounts of money, and greed, in our medical care system.

    That's one reason that federal officials have said most folks don't need to bother with a PSA test until 60, and maybe not then.

    Cancer is big business, with some of the folks working in it making millions annually.
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    Jan 12, 2013 11:34 PM GMT
    RadRTT saidHere's the thing people I am a medical professional in Oncology. I am a licensed ARRT Radiation Therapist. I am a member of the ASRT. I also hold individual state licenses in Massachusetts, Florida, and Maryland.

    I treat cancer, I see my patients more then anyone in the Oncology field, and I am educated in detecting tumors. I know all the Chemotherapy agents, I know all the surgeries, and I know all the holistic approaches as well.

    If anyone has any questions, please feel free to e-mail me. I am 100% QUALIFIED to give you the answers and all my answers will be backed up with resources if you ask for them!


    Perhaps you should ponder what many would perceive as medical / youthful arrogance? You may be well intentioned, but, your presentation needs much work.
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    Jan 12, 2013 11:40 PM GMT
    chuckystud said

    Perhaps you should ponder what many would perceive as medical / youthful arrogance? You may be well intentioned, but, your presentation needs much work.
    Maybe you should research what ARRT and ASRT means.....icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jan 12, 2013 11:41 PM GMT
    And yes Cancer is a big buisness...It actually makes hospitals and companies more money then surgery does...but that does not mean what they sell and what treatments they offered are "unnecessary"