How long does it take to develop MUSCLE MATURITY, and what if you're FIFTY?

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    Jan 13, 2013 5:12 AM GMT
    Am I not going to develop that extra density and those striations until I'm, like, 65? What's an older guy like me who started late to do?
  • rugbyjockca

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    Jan 13, 2013 1:26 PM GMT
    Drugs? icon_rolleyes.gif

    Biology sucks, but we all have to live with it. I'm starting at 35, and I admit to being jealous of the guys who spent their teens and twenties lifting, who look swollen and dense today. I know that I have to work harder and will probably not reach every goal.

    But, what's wrong with having that density and those striations at 65? It's better than being flabby and out of shape at 65.

    Really, the only thing to do is just do everything as best you can. Kids in their twenties get away with a lot of sloppy diet, poor form, etc, etc so many of them don't ever learn to lift correctly until much later anyway. Use your "aged wisdom" (lol) to ensure you're making the best choices and have the best strategy to meet your goals, and remember that for those of us out of infancy, 5 or 10 years can pass in a heartbeat.

    Besides, isn't part of this whole thing the journey? Learning where your boundaries lie and pushing past them? Setting goals and achieving them? Surprising yourself by doing things you didn't think possible?

    But...I'm still a noob, so what do I know? icon_smile.gif
  • calibro

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    Jan 13, 2013 1:56 PM GMT
    46.775 years
  • FitGwynedd

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    Jan 13, 2013 1:57 PM GMT
    What is muscle maturity?
  • rugbyjockca

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    Jan 13, 2013 2:31 PM GMT
    FitGwynedd saidWhat is muscle maturity?


    It describes the quality of muscle... two guys can have the same size and stats, but the guy who's been working out for ten years will have muscles that look "fuller" and more developed than the guy who's only been working out for 2.
  • Kel_

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    Jan 13, 2013 2:40 PM GMT
    You need to get to level 28 and be traded to evolve.

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    Jan 13, 2013 3:49 PM GMT
    icon_lol.gif That made me lol. Approve of Pokemon reference.
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    Jan 13, 2013 3:52 PM GMT
    rugbyjockca said
    It describes the quality of muscle... two guys can have the same size and stats, but the guy who's been working out for ten years will have muscles that look "fuller" and more developed than the guy who's only been working out for 2.

    And it matters why? Is there some health associated reason?
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    Jan 13, 2013 3:54 PM GMT
    Try Paleo diet. It's ridiculous how sinewy I'm
    becoming.
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    Jan 13, 2013 4:32 PM GMT
    Not sure if I'm getting my definitions straight but:

    muscle maturity = denser, harder muscles (not bigger) with thinner skin and more visible striations (not achievable through diet alone)

    I'm wondering if switching from sacroplasmic to myofibrillar hypertrophy training would speed things up.

    sacroplasmic hypertrophy = high rep, low weight "size" training that makes muscles look bigger because it increases the fluid volume within the cells of each muscle fiber

    myofibrillar hypertrophy training = low rep, high weight "strength" training that grows the actual muscle fiber (and perhaps increases the number of them, so presumably less volume of increased fiber than increased water but more density)

    Sacroplasmic v. myofibrillar, fast twitch v. slow, functional v. non-functional - it's all confusing enough without throwing muscle maturity into the mix!
  • rugbyjockca

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    Jan 13, 2013 5:50 PM GMT
    Shagglot said
    rugbyjockca said
    It describes the quality of muscle... two guys can have the same size and stats, but the guy who's been working out for ten years will have muscles that look "fuller" and more developed than the guy who's only been working out for 2.

    And it matters why? Is there some health associated reason?


    Aesthetics. This is the bodybuilding forum, right? The general fitness forum is thataway....
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    Jan 13, 2013 6:01 PM GMT
    Kel_ saidYou need to get to level 28 and be traded to evolve.

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    Yeah, Considering you are level 50 OP, it looks like you just need to be traded. Who knew muscle maturity could be so simple!?
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    Jan 13, 2013 7:05 PM GMT
    rugbyjockca said
    Shagglot said
    rugbyjockca said
    It describes the quality of muscle... two guys can have the same size and stats, but the guy who's been working out for ten years will have muscles that look "fuller" and more developed than the guy who's only been working out for 2.

    And it matters why? Is there some health associated reason?


    Aesthetics. This is the bodybuilding forum, right? The general fitness forum is thataway....


    WIN. Go and do some "functional fitness". icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jan 13, 2013 7:08 PM GMT
    To tell the truth, I dont care if I look buffed or huge or anything in another 6 years. However, if I am fit as fuck and can still take on the guys half my age in the CrossFit box, now that is something to be proud of!
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    Jan 13, 2013 7:09 PM GMT
    rugbyjockca said

    Aesthetics. This is the bodybuilding forum, right? The general fitness forum is thataway....

    Yeah no need to show me the way.....
    It was a serious question. I got the answer.
  • rugbyjockca

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    Jan 14, 2013 2:26 PM GMT
    Shagglot said
    rugbyjockca said

    Aesthetics. This is the bodybuilding forum, right? The general fitness forum is thataway....

    Yeah no need to show me the way.....
    It was a serious question. I got the answer.


    Sorry if I seemed harsh, but it's a bit of a pet peeve of mine here that there are literally dozens of forums for general fitness and sport-related fitness here, but anytime a thread starts in the bodybuilding forum there are a bunch of users who chime in about how they don't like guys who are "too big" and it's "better to be toned" and "vascularity, ew, gross."

    Why come into the bodybuilding forum, "for serious bodybuilders" if you don't even like bodybuilding?

    Honestly, if someone asked me where to go for bodybuilding advice (the sport, not the activity), I wouldn't ever point them to realjock.com

    So I apologize again if I came off as rude...my frustration is more directed to the guys who clearly have no interest in the sport coming in and pissing all over other peoples' goals.
  • HottJoe

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    Jan 14, 2013 5:25 PM GMT
    I think healthy body building means you're always pushing, breaking barriers when you plateau, and increasing strength. It doesn't have to include drugs, supplements, or shortcuts, nor does it have to be a constant competition, unless you want it to be. It's best when it's a lifestyle, and when you stick to it. Size is important, but overall athleticism is just as important, imo.
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    Jan 14, 2013 5:30 PM GMT
    Kel_ saidYou need to get to level 28 and be traded to evolve.

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    lol like
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    Jan 16, 2013 4:41 AM GMT
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    Jan 17, 2013 4:46 AM GMT
    I think you need to just go with your genetics. I wanna be rounder . . . not gonna happen. So I make the most of what is me: lean.
  • Hunkymonkey

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    Jan 19, 2013 7:19 AM GMT
    You can do it. From your photos, you appear to have good genetics for this. I made my best gains from 45 to 61 (current age) and I have sucky genetics. Of course, starting younger would have given better results, as older muscle recuperates and develops more slowly. But the point is, it still can develop. I believe 100% that the 2 keys to success are how you eat and how you train. Too many people, IMO, undereat &/or eat improperly and overtrain. My personal opinion is that if you are over 45 and not on TRT, you probably should be for general health reasons, even if you don't think you should be using it for bodybuilding. TRT is low dose, but even so, it will benefit your training.
  • Medjai

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    Jan 19, 2013 7:33 AM GMT
    Alpha13 saidTry Paleo diet. It's ridiculous how sinewy I'm
    becoming.


    If I was balding, needed better skin tone, or had bad posture, would you recommend Paleo as a 'miracle cure' for those to?
  • ASHDOD

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    Jan 19, 2013 8:04 AM GMT
    i''m in the same boat
    but my atitude is, i dont look back ,ill try whatever i can achive from now on .

    another thing, lots of guys who did work out from young age , got injured or got tiered along the way .as a late starter you have the advantege of doying things more inteligently [cos wisdom comes with age..]



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    Jan 19, 2013 8:19 AM GMT
    Muscle maturity takes time training for sacroplasmic hypertrophy, and time under androgen, and calories.

    As a matter of note, I've noticed lately, in some kids that started lifting around 13, and hit the juice at 17, or 18 (in my view, too early by at least five years), that by the time they are 20 are massive. (I saw a 20 year old yesterday who is big beyond belief, but, I'm not sure it's the best thing for long term health..but...life is not without risks....and there are offsets...each to his own, I suppose.)

    You need all three to get there. If you're beyond about 28 years of age, most good doctors will help you with a TRT/HRT program. Years of research, especially with HIV patients, have shown the benefits of continued androgen / testosterone as we grow older.

    Stris and abs are nearly all attributable to body fat levels / water levels. Most folks have a perfect set of abs under whatever fat they have. Dumbbell, independent, movement will help to bring out the assisting muscles some, but, it's really a function of leanness as much as anything. Cable cross overs, and flies will make your chest pretty, if you're lean enough, and the right "dryness." I took about a month off in The Fall, and lifted at low intensity during the summer, but, now, I'm at it fairly hard now, and decided I want to hover around 210 to 215 rather than 230, because I might compete in The Fall. We'll see.

    This is 39 years lifting, taken about two weeks ago, just before I started shoulders. I'm 52, 5'5", 208#. Sorry about the line between the mirrors at 24 Hour Fitness on Beltline and North Dallas Parkway in Dallas....Clearly...:-)...I have a level of muscle maturity that reflects those 10000's of hours training. In this shot, I'm mildly "carbed up", but, not excessively so, and not super dry (if I was, you'd see stris in my shoulders and chest; not just the one stri in my right shoulder.)

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    Jan 19, 2013 8:38 AM GMT
    FitGwynedd saidWhat is muscle maturity?


    Look up.