Look at how progressive Europeans are regarding Gay Marriage!!

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    Jan 13, 2013 7:45 PM GMT
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21004322

    Hundreds of thousands of protesters have taken to the streets of Paris over plans to give gay couples in France the right to marry and adopt children.

    Three big marches converged on the Champs de Mars, a large park next to the Eiffel Tower.

    France's Socialist government is planning to change the law this year.

    But the demonstrators, backed by the Catholic Church and the right-wing opposition, argue it would undermine an essential building block of society.

    The organisers put the number of marchers at 800,000, with demonstrators pouring into Paris by train and bus, carrying placards that read, "We don't want your law, Francois" and "Don't touch my civil code".

    Police said the figure was closer to 340,000 and one government minister said the turnout was lower than the organisers had predicted. A similar march in November attracted around 100,000 people...
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    Jan 13, 2013 7:48 PM GMT


    "Look at how progressive SOME FRENCH PEOPLE are regarding Gay Marriage!!"

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    Jan 13, 2013 9:18 PM GMT
    On Fox News, Western Europe is of course one big leftist orgy of drugs, universal health care and topless women. They've framed the debate that way for so long, Americans are surprised to learn about the burqa laws, militant nationalism, and the influence of the Catholic Church. These societies are way more complex and nuanced than Fox will allow their viewers to entertain.
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    Jan 13, 2013 9:32 PM GMT
    bi_in_chicago saidhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21004322

    Hundreds of thousands of protesters have taken to the streets of Paris over plans to give gay couples in France the right to marry and adopt children.

    Three big marches converged on the Champs de Mars, a large park next to the Eiffel Tower.

    France's Socialist government is planning to change the law this year.

    But the demonstrators, backed by the Catholic Church and the right-wing opposition, argue it would undermine an essential building block of society.

    The organisers put the number of marchers at 800,000, with demonstrators pouring into Paris by train and bus, carrying placards that read, "We don't want your law, Francois" and "Don't touch my civil code".

    Police said the figure was closer to 340,000 and one government minister said the turnout was lower than the organisers had predicted. A similar march in November attracted around 100,000 people...


    and yet their country will legalize gay marriage through the electoral branch of government before we do. by the way, you do realize france has over 65,000,000 million people, so that number presents about a half of a percent? not to mention gay marriage was legal starting in the 80s in europe. you're a falil troll.
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    Jan 13, 2013 9:33 PM GMT
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    bi_in_chicago saidhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21004322

    Hundreds of thousands of protesters have taken to the streets of Paris over plans to give gay couples in France the right to marry and adopt children.

    Three big marches converged on the Champs de Mars, a large park next to the Eiffel Tower.

    France's Socialist government is planning to change the law this year.

    But the demonstrators, backed by the Catholic Church and the right-wing opposition, argue it would undermine an essential building block of society.

    The organisers put the number of marchers at 800,000, with demonstrators pouring into Paris by train and bus, carrying placards that read, "We don't want your law, Francois" and "Don't touch my civil code".

    Police said the figure was closer to 340,000 and one government minister said the turnout was lower than the organisers had predicted. A similar march in November attracted around 100,000 people...


    and yet their country will legalize gay marriage through the electoral branch of government before we do. by the way, you do realize france has over 65,000,000 million people, so that number presents about a half of a percent? not to mention gay marriage was legal starting in the 80s in europe. you're a falil troll.


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    Jan 13, 2013 9:35 PM GMT
    Netherlands is in Europe which was the first country in the world to legalize the gay marriage.Prior to that, Denmark permitted same-sex "registered partnerships" in 1989.
    There goes your sarcasm out of the door.
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    Jan 13, 2013 9:41 PM GMT
    The issue is up to the citizens of each country to decide.That is democracy.Period.
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    Jan 13, 2013 9:46 PM GMT
    mickeytopogigio saidOn Fox News, Western Europe is of course one big leftist orgy of drugs, universal health care and topless women. They've framed the debate that way for so long, Americans are surprised to learn about the burqa laws, militant nationalism, and the influence of the Catholic Church. These societies are way more complex and nuanced than Fox will allow their viewers to entertain.

    I'm not sure if he's entertaining the perception that Fox puts out there or the perception of many Americans - many stuck up and arrogant Americans I might add.

    I can't tell you how many times I've heard of Americans saying (of course after they've traveled to these places or are about to or really want to) saying "European countries are so much more civilized and forward thinking then America *chortle* *chortle* *chortle* SO much better then this country that we live in! There they have nude beaches everywhere! *chortle *chortle*" (try imagining this while holding a wine glass at a party and it just comes off pretentious. So I think the notion of European "forwardness" is not just a Fox News creation. Just sayin...icon_redface.gif
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    Jan 13, 2013 9:50 PM GMT
    WickedRyan saidThe issue is up to the citizens of each country to decide.That is democracy.Period.


    Ok, I'm sorry but NO. If the issue is up to citizens alone then black people would still be segregated. An integral part of modern democracies are their court systems, especially in federal systems were particular state can continue to engage in discriminatory bigotry.
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    Jan 13, 2013 9:58 PM GMT
    WickedRyan saidThe issue is up to the citizens of each country to decide.That is democracy.Period.


    Civil rights are never "up" to citizens. Its also been said that
    QUOTE AUTHOR GOES HEREA democracy is, amongst civil nations, accounted the meanest and worst of all forms of government
    John Winthrop (Boston, 1869). I also point out that the US(for example) is a Republic not a democracy.

    The key difference between a democracy and a republic lies in the limits placed on government by the law, which has implications on minority rights. Both forms of government tend to use a representational system where citizens vote to elect politicians to represent their interests and form the government. However, in a republic, a constitution or charter of rights protects certain inalienable rights that cannot be taken away by the government, even if it has been elected by a majority of voters. In a "pure" democracy, the majority is not restrained and can impose its will on the minority.

    The various forms of government can be briefly summarized as:

    Monarchy or dictatorship: Rule by one (a king or emperor)
    Oligarchy: Rule by a few
    Democracy: Rule by a majority
    Republic: Rule by law
    http://www.diffen.com/difference/Democracy_vs_Republic


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7cY7LfMSbk
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    Jan 13, 2013 10:05 PM GMT
    Anyone else feel this coming from a faceless prfile is a bit of an oxymoron?
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    Jan 13, 2013 10:06 PM GMT
    WhoDey saidAnyone else feel this coming from a faceless prfile is a bit of an oxymoron?

    He has nice nips at least.
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    Jan 13, 2013 10:15 PM GMT
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    He has nice nips at least.

    There are three nips. Don't know which one's is OP's? Its really hard to identify people by nips.icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jan 13, 2013 10:28 PM GMT
    IceBuckets saidI'm not sure if he's entertaining the perception that Fox puts out there or the perception of many Americans - many stuck up and arrogant Americans I might add.


    I remember hearing of Europe in grade school. Never had I heard the thought entertained (at that time) that Europe was uncivilized compared to America, nor that it was significantly more left-leaning. This oversimplification of a continent happened somewhere near the middle of the Reagan years, and became downright obnoxious sometime around the "American Fries" bullshit, when France refused to join the Iraq war coalition.

    Maybe I'm reading too much into the OP's post, but it sounded like he was prefacing his message with, "Here's your liberal France, doing something bigoted," as though A) France is uniformly liberal, B) France is composed of liberal bigots who suffer from cognitive dissonance, and C) aren't you silly for loving those liberal French, when they're this insufferable.

    But I was just reading between the lines, and I know where this uninformed, dualistic viewpoint is most heavily promoted.
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    Jan 13, 2013 10:30 PM GMT
    Heh, plus we know it's not Europe as a whole. Eastern Europe and Turkey are going to lag behind gay rights for generations to come.
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    Jan 13, 2013 10:46 PM GMT
    I was caught in the protestations. The starting point was exactly where I live and in order to go home, I had to BE with them. I was feeling very bad. Just wanted to shout FUCK YOU ALL.
    Haha
    And those fucking cops wouldn't even let me leave the protestation because they were blocking the neighborhood. I had a fight with one of them who was preventing me from reaching the street where I live. I was so angry I took a bicycle (those anyone can use and rent in Paris) and plow into the cops roadblock.
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    Jan 13, 2013 10:53 PM GMT
    Lets see the citizens of each nation vote for the judges,or presidents appoint the judges.Some would like a panel from NYU or Berkeley to determine social policy.The United States happily is not Europe yet.
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    Jan 13, 2013 11:22 PM GMT
    WickedRyan saidLets see the citizens of each nation vote for the judges,or presidents appoint the judges.Some would like a panel from NYU or Berkeley to determine social policy.The United States happily is not Europe yet.

    and by doing that we'd fundamentally change the constitution and add another political office that Walmart or Haliburton can buy
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    Jan 13, 2013 11:27 PM GMT
    Isugemi saidI was caught in the protestations. The starting point was exactly where I live and in order to go home, I had to BE with them. I was feeling very bad. Just wanted to shout FUCK YOU ALL.
    Haha
    And those fucking cops wouldn't even let me leave the protestation because they were blocking the neighborhood. I had a fight with one of them who was preventing me from reaching the street where I live. I was so angry I took a bicycle (those anyone can use and rent in Paris) and plow into the cops roadblock.
    That sounds fun! icon_lol.gif
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    Jan 13, 2013 11:29 PM GMT
    mickeytopogigio said
    IceBuckets saidI'm not sure if he's entertaining the perception that Fox puts out there or the perception of many Americans - many stuck up and arrogant Americans I might add.


    I remember hearing of Europe in grade school. Never had I heard the thought entertained (at that time) that Europe was uncivilized compared to America, nor that it was significantly more left-leaning. This oversimplification of a continent happened somewhere near the middle of the Reagan years, and became downright obnoxious sometime around the "American Fries" bullshit, when France refused to join the Iraq war coalition.

    Maybe I'm reading too much into the OP's post, but it sounded like he was prefacing his message with, "Here's your liberal France, doing something bigoted," as though A) France is uniformly liberal, B) France is composed of liberal bigots who suffer from cognitive dissonance, and C) aren't you silly for loving those liberal French, when they're this insufferable.

    But I was just reading between the lines, and I know where this uninformed, dualistic viewpoint is most heavily promoted.


    MSNBC should fire at least one of its pundits -- please, the chick with the glasses who sounds like she's been gargling with broken glass -- and give his/her job to you. Not sure what's better -- that analysis itself or how you penned it.

    Also, keep in mind that NOM is salivating over this, and that it could turn a Yoo Hoo cap into Charydbis.
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    Jan 13, 2013 11:30 PM GMT
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    Isugemi saidI was caught in the protestations. The starting point was exactly where I live and in order to go home, I had to BE with them. I was feeling very bad. Just wanted to shout FUCK YOU ALL.
    Haha
    And those fucking cops wouldn't even let me leave the protestation because they were blocking the neighborhood. I had a fight with one of them who was preventing me from reaching the street where I live. I was so angry I took a bicycle (those anyone can use and rent in Paris) and plow into the cops roadblock.
    That sounds fun! icon_lol.gif


    Yeah quite a lot. They were like "No sir! You can't!!" but I was already far.
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    Jan 13, 2013 11:32 PM GMT
    So based on the numbers, 95.50% of French people did not show up to protest gay marriage.

    If you had a point, OP, you'd better make it now. *yawn*
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    Jan 14, 2013 12:12 AM GMT
    Isugemi said
    paulflexes said
    Isugemi saidI was caught in the protestations. The starting point was exactly where I live and in order to go home, I had to BE with them. I was feeling very bad. Just wanted to shout FUCK YOU ALL.
    Haha
    And those fucking cops wouldn't even let me leave the protestation because they were blocking the neighborhood. I had a fight with one of them who was preventing me from reaching the street where I live. I was so angry I took a bicycle (those anyone can use and rent in Paris) and plow into the cops roadblock.
    That sounds fun! icon_lol.gif


    Yeah quite a lot. They were like "No sir! You can't!!" but I was already far.

    You stole a bicycle at a gay protest rally in Paris? That does make a funny dinner story.
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    Jan 14, 2013 12:15 AM GMT
    huhwhat said
    Isugemi said
    paulflexes said
    Isugemi saidI was caught in the protestations. The starting point was exactly where I live and in order to go home, I had to BE with them. I was feeling very bad. Just wanted to shout FUCK YOU ALL.
    Haha
    And those fucking cops wouldn't even let me leave the protestation because they were blocking the neighborhood. I had a fight with one of them who was preventing me from reaching the street where I live. I was so angry I took a bicycle (those anyone can use and rent in Paris) and plow into the cops roadblock.
    That sounds fun! icon_lol.gif


    Yeah quite a lot. They were like "No sir! You can't!!" but I was already far.

    You stole a bicycle at a gay protest rally in Paris? That does make a funny dinner story.


    Haha no I didn't steal it. It's those bicycle sharing systems. They exist in a lot of cities in Europe. Those :

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    Jan 14, 2013 12:23 AM GMT
    Go Go Bixibikes!!! Soon enough most large cities in North America will have them =D


    My favorite quote:

    "Despite the support of the Church and political right, the organisers are keen to stress their movement is non-political and non-religious, and in no way directed against homosexuals,"

    How can it be anything BUT religious, political, and directed squarely against homosexuals?

    bahahahahahahaha - le sigh.