Boeing Won’t Offer Pension Benefits To Same-Sex Couples

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    Jan 15, 2013 3:33 AM GMT
    In spite of legal Same sex marriages in Washington State....Boeing is not going to play.....icon_eek.gif

    http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/11/24/1232111/boeing-wont-offer-pension-survivor-benefits-to-same-sex-couples/?mobile=nc
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    Jan 15, 2013 4:52 AM GMT
    My friends who work for Boeing tell me that it is the most conservative company imaginable. (In the literal sense of the word.) They were all hired in the 80's to bring computer-design capabilities into the company. But they were not actually allowed to used computers for anything until everybody above them retired or died.
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    Jan 15, 2013 5:08 AM GMT
    mindgarden saidMy friends who work for Boeing tell me that it is the most conservative company imaginable. (In the literal sense of the word.) They were all hired in the 80's to bring computer-design capabilities into the company. But they were not actually allowed to used computers for anything until everybody above them retired or died.


    WOW! That's sad and pathetic.....and they want to build all of the most advanced US military aircraft?icon_eek.gif
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    Jan 15, 2013 5:15 AM GMT
    Oh wow that's horrible. Just awful just awful
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    Jan 15, 2013 6:53 AM GMT
    that is actually surprising since Boeing has a specific unit for promoting same-sex benefits and such... they made a big deal about it at our Pride event here in San Antonio.
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    Jan 15, 2013 7:51 AM GMT
    itsmejeff saidWhy should Boeing offer the benefits if it does not have to?

    What is the benefit to the company? Will it increase productivity? Will it lead to better talent working for Boeing?

    This is about economics. Nothing prevents people from getting life insurance or creating a trust to provide for his or her partner or partners.

    "A growing number of companies are offering equal benefits for equal work, regardless of sexual orientation and recognizing that 'treating all workers equally makes good business sense.'"

    Except employees are not treated equally. Single and unmarried persons are fucked over in terms of benefits and treatment. No one cares about that though.


    But, that's not the point.
    The difference is--They are single, economically different than a jointed financial married couple. And the fact that they are treating a heterosexual married couple differently than a homosexual married couple for shits and giggles is unfair. Basically, they are making the argument that Gay Marriage is cute' and all, but doesn't have the same rights as heterosexual marriage. Doesn't matter, that its not supporting the COMPANY [financially], it's also a matter of justice and questions the dignity of the company.

    It's like black people being able to vote, BUT only being counted as 1/3 of a actual vote. [You can be married, but you get none of the benefits of actually being married.]

    Also, I don't know if this guy speak the truth, but this is very interesting too:
    "Randy Sampson
    BOEING would like for you to believe that it's a DOMA issue. It's not a DOMA issue. The Federal ERISA insurance law doesn't define the word SPOUSE. It doesn't matter if DOMA Is repealed. BOEING can still choose to define SPOUSE however they want. The only thing that will change that is public pressure. Please write james.w.mcnerney@boeing.com and tell him what you think. Believe me, I know. I've been working on this for 2.5 years with them."

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    Jan 15, 2013 8:28 AM GMT
    "treating all workers equally makes good business sense."

    Um, this is a false flag of sorts, doesnt suprise me comming from a Union environment, thats what were talking about, a mentality. Unions use this mentality so that no one employee gets more than the other. This has its downside. This treat "everyone the same" protects the lazy workers while punishing the productive ones. It only makes "good business sense" to the Union bosses and the Union members. Unions would like you to think they are pro gay marriage, pro gay anything, they are not. It was due to the company (Boeing) policy that included same sex benefits, not something that their Unions bargined for. If you know about Boeing, specifically, there salary Engineers belong to a Union!!!!! (SPEEA), i dont know of any other company in the world, salary (exempt) belong to a Union. Most companies have or are in the works to get rid of pensions period and leave 401k plans as main source for retirement funding (automotive industry maybe not right away), Im sure Boeing wants the same in line with their competitiors. This new "worker equality" thing might be Boeing way to rid its pension obligations, Boeing is "conservative" in a sense because of its Union mentality, not because of its management, Boeing's Unions "are not going to play" gay marriage
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    Jan 15, 2013 8:48 AM GMT
    itsmejeff saidWhy should Boeing offer the benefits if it does not have to?

    What is the benefit to the company? Will it increase productivity? Will it lead to better talent working for Boeing?


    Um...to answer your questions: yes, yes, and yes.

    Typically, companies that offer better benefit packages get better workers and get more out of their workers.

    So if your point was to argue against treating all employees equally, you disproved your own point.

    But it's good to know that some people admit some companies would still have 80-hour work weeks and no vacation if the government didn't say they couldn't. Thank you for making the case for regulation of companies who refuse treat their employees fairly in the name of profit-at-all-costs.
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    Jan 15, 2013 9:18 AM GMT
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    itsmejeff saidWhy should Boeing offer the benefits if it does not have to?

    What is the benefit to the company? Will it increase productivity? Will it lead to better talent working for Boeing?


    Um...to answer your questions: yes, yes, and yes.

    Typically, companies that offer better benefit packages get better workers and get more out of their workers.

    So if your point was to argue against treating all employees equally, you disproved your own point.

    But it's good to know that some people admit some companies would still have 80-hour work weeks and no vacation if the government didn't say they couldn't. Thank you for making the case for regulation of companies who refuse treat their employees fairly in the name of profit-at-all-costs.


    I agree whole heartedly. Companies who offer competitive benefits, insurance etc... often get loyalty and actual hard working employees, less turnover.
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    Jan 15, 2013 6:34 PM GMT
    itsmejeff saidWhy should Boeing offer the benefits if it does not have to?

    What is the benefit to the company? Will it increase productivity? Will it lead to better talent working for Boeing?


    This is exactly what it will do. It even says it in the article which they claim to be backed by research.
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    Jan 15, 2013 6:42 PM GMT
    mindgarden saidMy friends who work for Boeing tell me that it is the most conservative company imaginable. (In the literal sense of the word.) They were all hired in the 80's to bring computer-design capabilities into the company. But they were not actually allowed to used computers for anything until everybody above them retired or died.

    I think Boeing is based out of Georgia, which would explain the company mentality..
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    Jan 15, 2013 6:45 PM GMT
    As usual we are hearing from the Uncle Tom gay conservative peanut gallery on this message board. Corporations will do whatever they can to fuck over the working man however they can, and if minorities weren't covered by EEOE they would discriminate against them as well.
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    Jan 15, 2013 6:47 PM GMT
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    mindgarden saidMy friends who work for Boeing tell me that it is the most conservative company imaginable. (In the literal sense of the word.) They were all hired in the 80's to bring computer-design capabilities into the company. But they were not actually allowed to used computers for anything until everybody above them retired or died.

    I think Boeing is based out of Georgia, which would explain the company mentality..


    At the time, they were still based in Seattle. Now, they've moved HQ to Chicago.
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    Jan 15, 2013 6:48 PM GMT
    It's because they know the B787 Dreamliner is a gay plane.

    It'll take a while before some of the older planes get over their anti-gay prejudices.

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    Jan 16, 2013 5:12 PM GMT
    itsmejeff said, "How is it fair that I receive less compensation because of that?"

    Please explain what compensation you would not get.
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    Jan 16, 2013 5:28 PM GMT
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    TroyAthlete said
    itsmejeff saidWhy should Boeing offer the benefits if it does not have to?

    What is the benefit to the company? Will it increase productivity? Will it lead to better talent working for Boeing?


    Um...to answer your questions: yes, yes, and yes.

    Typically, companies that offer better benefit packages get better workers and get more out of their workers.

    So if your point was to argue against treating all employees equally, you disproved your own point.

    But it's good to know that some people admit some companies would still have 80-hour work weeks and no vacation if the government didn't say they couldn't. Thank you for making the case for regulation of companies who refuse treat their employees fairly in the name of profit-at-all-costs.


    I agree whole heartedly. Companies who offer competitive benefits, insurance etc... often get loyalty and actual hard working employees, less turnover.

    You get what you pay for. Underpay and you get underachievers. Pay decently and you get dedication. And that includes benefits packages that recognize same-sex partners.

    And BTW, a domestic partner, whether legally married or otherwise, provides a support structure that increases the productivity of a worker, and reduces days lost. Domestic partners are a company's allies, not an albatross. The smarter and more enlightened companies, less motivated by political or religious ideology, benefit from this understanding.
  • hawkeye7

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    Jan 16, 2013 6:18 PM GMT
    Have the ever met the people who fly their planes. I only know of one straight male flight attendant. Then you got the pilots.
    they are going to be on the wrong side of history, they already are.
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    Jan 16, 2013 6:49 PM GMT
    itsmejeff said, "anything offered to married persons without a similar option for single persons. An ability to have a family health care plan for a marginal increase in premiums would be an example. It goes beyond just the realm of the business as well. I cannot create a beneficiary for social security, for example, while the spouse of a married person will receive benefits upon death."

    So let's see..
    ...are you saying that Boeing has no extended health benefits for single people with dependents?

    As for the rest of your post, what it amounts to is me looking at your first post where you came out swinging at gay married couples getting pension benefits. You never went after the straight married couples already getting benefits.

    Now, it appears you are.

    As for Boeing, it's second from the top in terms of pensions, as as one writer in another article said, gay married couples at Boeing are likely a tiny, tiny group, and this will not cause the company any undue hardship. Not nearly as much as the number of straight people at Boeing getting married each year.

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    Jan 16, 2013 6:50 PM GMT
    Here Jeff:

    [url]http://allaboutalpha.com/blog/2012/10/25/the-skorina-report-corporate-pension-performance-some-great-investors-no-one-noticed%E2%80%A6and-some-surprising-losers/[/url]
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    Jan 16, 2013 7:11 PM GMT

    Now this is hilarious; it seems they DO recognize same sex couples in some ways.

    http://www.boeing.com/empinfo/discounts.htm


    Has anyone wondered about Boeing pensions for gay married couples in other countries besides the US? icon_wink.gif
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    Jan 16, 2013 7:15 PM GMT
    Isn't that just illegal?
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    Jan 16, 2013 7:22 PM GMT
    If you are NON union employees at Boeing, you can designate anyone as beneficiary of your pension. I just looked it up. Very heavy on the perks.
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    Jan 16, 2013 7:32 PM GMT
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    mindgarden saidMy friends who work for Boeing tell me that it is the most conservative company imaginable. (In the literal sense of the word.) They were all hired in the 80's to bring computer-design capabilities into the company. But they were not actually allowed to used computers for anything until everybody above them retired or died.


    WOW! That's sad and pathetic.....and they want to build all of the most advanced US military aircraft?icon_eek.gif


    Yet they're havin' issues with their aircrafts now.
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    Jan 16, 2013 8:00 PM GMT
    My Boeing experience:

    I went to this guy's place in 1996. He was a senior Boeing mechanic at nearby Everett, Washington.

    His entryway had a lovely table with a flickering lamp, surrounded with puddled drapes, quite the gay fashion then.

    I went inside and everywhere was cobalt blue glassware, I had never seen so much. He showed me the master bath, and he had original oil paintings on easels crowding the space. I wondered if it could be good for them in the humidity. The tub was already filled and overflowing with suds.

    I was only recently out, and more than clueless. I had no idea what to do, and apparently what I did was a fail, because he didn't invite me back. icon_sad.gif

    But what it did tell me was that Senior Mechanics at Boeing in Everett made a lot of money, and they could also be gay. Boeing is being really stupid and short-sighted if they don't know who works for them. I'm guessing their senior management people are inflexible Republicans.

    They moved their production facilities to Southern States so they could break union agreements, and pay substandard wages. Now we see their planes suffering from quality control issues. These may be some of the reasons Boeing is doomed as a corporation, driven by right-wing greed. Another economic tragedy for the US. icon_sad.gif
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    Jan 16, 2013 8:14 PM GMT
    Since the 90's, Boeing swallowed up Mcdonald-Douglas, Rockwell, and who knows how many others. As I told my friends, "You guys are so big now, anything that goes wrong is going to be your fault." (They used to delight in telling me how awful MD was.) It's a completely different company now. "Management" is a composite of all of the formerly independent companies.