McCain offering to work together with Obama for a bipartisan solution to the financial crisis.

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    Sep 24, 2008 8:16 PM GMT
    Smart move by McCain. This puts Obama over a barrel. He either agrees to cancel the debate, which will make him look like hs is being controlled by McCain, or he doesn't agree and he looks financially irresponsible. McCain is projecting himself as a take charge and indispensable senator. Score a point for McCain.
  • Koaa2

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    Sep 24, 2008 8:21 PM GMT
    Amazing how this started when the new polls were released, showing him falling further behind.

    I doubt he wants to debate at all, Cindi couldn't be at his side to hold him up and keep him focused.
  • JohnG16775

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    Sep 24, 2008 8:44 PM GMT
    You may think I am crazy but John McCain is a real American Hero. End of subject. All politics aside. He served his nation at a time of need and people need to respect that. I should know because I was alive during that period of my life. It was not a popular war but he did his duty! I respect that.
  • auryn

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    Sep 24, 2008 8:45 PM GMT
    Smart move by McCain??? Obama was the one that called McCain and asked to work together. Obama initiated this. Seriously, where do you get your info?

    Facts, man... get them right.

    McCain just wanted to postpone the debates so he could actually do his job as a Senator. Obama was doing this while on the campaign trail, presented a clear package and still is capable of debating. Multi-tasking and keeping the Country First is what Obama is doing.

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    Sep 24, 2008 8:48 PM GMT
    Obama spokesman Bill Burton in a press release today said:
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    At 8:30 this morning, Senator Obama called Senator McCain to ask him if he would join in issuing a joint statement outlining their shared principles and conditions for the Treasury proposal and urging Congress and the White House to act in a bipartisan manner to pass such a proposal. At 2:30 this afternoon, Senator McCain returned Senator Obama's call and agreed to join him in issuing such a statement. The two campaigns are currently working together on the details.


    And I don't think any clear winner is going to emerge from this. People may be asking 'is McCain too weak to debate Obama this Friday?'. If it is political then it is a bizarre strategy and it will be interesting to see where it goes from here.


    *edit* Damn you Auryn and your fact finding fastness!
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    Sep 24, 2008 9:26 PM GMT
    JohnG16775 saidYou may think I am crazy but John McCain is a real American Hero. End of subject. All politics aside. He served his nation at a time of need and people need to respect that. I should know because I was alive during that period of my life. It was not a popular war but he did his duty! I respect that.


    You're right: plain and simple. And, I doubt that any sane person would disagree.

    That said, it should also be noted that it has no bearing whatsoever on whether or not he is qualified or prudent to be the President. And, his track record in politics renders an answer of NO.
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    Sep 24, 2008 9:29 PM GMT
    Jockbod48 saidSmart move by McCain. This puts Obama over a barrel. He either agrees to cancel the debate, which will make him look like hs is being controlled by McCain, or he doesn't agree and he looks financially irresponsible. McCain is projecting himself as a take charge and indispensable senator. Score a point for McCain.


    Jockbod . . . you're one of the coolest and sexiest guys on this site.

    Sadly, however, your facts are not true at all. (How very Republican of you!) Accordingly, your conclusions are baseless. Oh well.

    That said, you're smokin hot! icon_lol.gif
  • auryn

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    Sep 24, 2008 10:17 PM GMT
    MunchingZombie saidObama spokesman Bill Burton in a press release today said:
    Bill Burton
    At 8:30 this morning, Senator Obama called Senator McCain to ask him if he would join in issuing a joint statement outlining their shared principles and conditions for the Treasury proposal and urging Congress and the White House to act in a bipartisan manner to pass such a proposal. At 2:30 this afternoon, Senator McCain returned Senator Obama's call and agreed to join him in issuing such a statement. The two campaigns are currently working together on the details.


    And I don't think any clear winner is going to emerge from this. People may be asking 'is McCain too weak to debate Obama this Friday?'. If it is political then it is a bizarre strategy and it will be interesting to see where it goes from here.


    *edit* Damn you Auryn and your fact finding fastness!


    LOL!

    the funny thing is that I'd just posted about this in another thread (http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/293788/) So when I saw this thread, I was ready. (Not Sarah Palin ready either; I was really ready.) icon_lol.gif
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    Sep 24, 2008 10:18 PM GMT
    Thanks for the props, but I have to say - we could all research every article we've each found on this subject - and they all vary. So -- my articles support what I've said. Some are from the liberal news - one even from the San Francisco Chronicle. Some writers will slant their findings one way - some the other. We have to agree to disagree about this.

    Politics. Ain't it a bitch?
  • coolarmydude

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    Sep 24, 2008 10:18 PM GMT
    Jockbod48 said, "Smart move by McCain. This puts Obama over a barrel. He either agrees to cancel the debate, which will make him look like hs is being controlled by McCain, or he doesn't agree and he looks financially irresponsible. McCain is projecting himself as a take charge and indispensable senator. Score a point for McCain."


    Seiously, how do you live with yourself? McCain, the guy who self-admittedly isn't smart on the economy, is the one to follow on an economic dire strait? OMFingG! Obama is financially irresponsible if he doesn't follow the village idiot? You're so lucky RealJock doesn't require a subscription because you obviously wouldn't be able to afford it!
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    Sep 24, 2008 10:20 PM GMT
    JohnG16775 said, "You may think I am crazy but John McCain is a real American Hero. End of subject. All politics aside. He served his nation at a time of need and people need to respect that. I should know because I was alive during that period of my life. It was not a popular war but he did his duty! I respect that."


    Is he running for hero worship or for President of the United States of America?
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    Sep 24, 2008 10:22 PM GMT
    Jockbod48 said, Thanks for the props, but I have to say - we could all research every article we've each found on this subject - and they all vary. So -- my articles support what I've said. Some are from the liberal news - one even from the San Francisco Chronicle. Some writers will slant their findings one way - some the other. We have to agree to disagree about this.

    Politics. Ain't it a bitch?"


    All my sources come from the Common Sense Digest. icon_lol.gif
  • auryn

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    Sep 24, 2008 10:27 PM GMT
    Jockbod,
    When a claim is made as fact and there is no info to back that claim then, it's an empty claim.

    Fact: You have a smokin' bod. Data to support that fact is your pictures; and plenty of them.

    Fact: Obama asked McCain to join him and other leaders of the Senate in a making a non-partisan approach to fix this mess. Data to support: Fox News, ABC News, ThinkProgress.org, Huffington Post... all saying the same damned thing; that the Obama camp has times and data showing when calls were made by both Senators and that the McCain camp is pretending that they didn't get the call that John McCain returned.
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    Sep 24, 2008 10:27 PM GMT
    coolarmydude saidJockbod48 said, "Smart move by McCain. This puts Obama over a barrel. He either agrees to cancel the debate, which will make him look like hs is being controlled by McCain, or he doesn't agree and he looks financially irresponsible. McCain is projecting himself as a take charge and indispensable senator. Score a point for McCain."


    Seiously, how do you live with yourself? McCain, the guy who self-admittedly isn't smart on the economy, is the one to follow on an economic dire strait? OMFingG! Obama is financially irresponsible if he doesn't follow the village idiot? You're so lucky RealJock doesn't require a subscription because you obviously wouldn't be able to afford it!


    Here we go - wouldn't you know I'd hear from my little friend here? Your comments and slurs are irresponsible to say the least. Your final words are amusing too. You have no idea who I am - who my family is - and what our financial situation is. I'm betting you're a bright guy. Better do your research.
  • coolarmydude

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    Sep 24, 2008 10:33 PM GMT
    Sheesh. Your own statment about Obama being financially irresponsible if he doesn't follow McCain's idea is an assumption that McCain knows what he's doing - an obvious personal bias of yours (or is it from your research). It's also typical of the black or white (choice A or choice B) options Republicans limit their debates to; a tired, old trick overdone by Sean Hannity, your idol.


    ha! "little friend"...I could care less who you are or who your family is or what your wealth is. Is that your attempt to make me curious to a possible good impression of you? icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Sep 24, 2008 10:45 PM GMT
    Well Army Dude - I'm not a black or white Republican - and I've repeatedly mentioned the name of the Democratic senator I'd personally like to see run for president.

    Don't make comments about what I can or cannot afford. It only makes you look insipid. You have no idea who we are. And no - there's no way in Hell you're ever going to form a good impression of me - I'll just have to get over that.
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    Sep 24, 2008 10:45 PM GMT
    I think Obama should keep the debate schedule, and McCain should send in his surrogate commander-in-chief Sarah Palin as his vice-debater.

    Seriously, he's one senator, gets one vote. He's got to be personally present to see this administration proposal through in his senate office surrounded by his lobbyists or the country goes down the drain? Nice try.
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    Sep 24, 2008 10:46 PM GMT
    McCain to country - I can only do one thing at a time. I wazh a POW.
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    Sep 24, 2008 10:49 PM GMT
    It's nothing more than a political ploy. John Sidney McCain III has no interest in coming to a bipartisan solution. His proposal just shows McCain will do anything to postpone having to debate Obama. McCain's debating/public speaking skills are miserable -- I'd even rank him beneath Dubya. And what's with McCain's incessant blinking? Is he trying to communicate in morse code?
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    Sep 24, 2008 10:52 PM GMT
    Jockbod48 said, "Well Army Dude - I'm not a black or white Republican - and I've repeatedly mentioned the name of the Democratic senator I'd personally like to see run for president.

    Don't make comments about what I can or cannot afford. It only makes you look insipid. You have no idea who we are. And no - there's no way in Hell you're ever going to form a good impression of me - I'll just have to get over that."


    Ummmm, I wasn't referring to race. I was talking about how Republicans see things as either this or that and no shades of grey. And the wealth comment was referring to your comment about "financial situation."
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    Sep 24, 2008 10:52 PM GMT
    Jockbod, I won't pick apart your love for your candidate, but I will say I'm not impressed that you think this is some inspired chess move on McCain's part. McCain is over a barrel, I'd say, on this economics issue. Americans are smarter than this, to believe that moving political chess pieces around is a substitute for a cogent economic policy.
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    Sep 24, 2008 10:53 PM GMT
    allgoodinhwood said, It's nothing more than a political ploy. John Sidney McCain III has no interest in coming to a bipartisan solution. His proposal just shows McCain will do anything to postpone having to debate Obama. McCain's debating/public speaking skills are miserable -- I'd even rank him beneath Dubya. And what's with McCain's incessant blinking? Is he trying to communicate in morse code?"


    Agreed. What I see is that he is trying to deter the inevitable snowball momentum that did Hillary in for the primary election campaign.
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    Sep 24, 2008 10:55 PM GMT
    Race? What? Come on! And it was you, pal who brought up money - not me.
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    Sep 24, 2008 10:58 PM GMT
    Dr. James Dobson of Focus on the Family to McCain - you have a what working on your campaign as chief of staff? You fly right on home to Washington Mr. McCain and you fix this or we shall withdraw our support. Good day sir!
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    Sep 24, 2008 10:58 PM GMT
    mickeytopogigio saidJockbod, I won't pick apart your love for your candidate, but I will say I'm not impressed that you think this is some inspired chess move on McCain's part. McCain is over a barrel, I'd say, on this economics issue. Americans are smarter than this, to believe that moving political chess pieces around is a substitute for a cogent economic policy.


    I appreciate your comments but I have to say again, my real candidate is a Democrat. I wanted Dianne Feinstein - along with a lot of other people who tried very hard to get her to throw her hat into the ring.