"Researchers estimate that if everybody washed their hands regularly, a million deaths could be prevented every year."

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    Jan 17, 2013 3:25 PM GMT
    http://www.brainpickings.org/index.php/2012/05/31/contagion-take-part/

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    Jan 17, 2013 5:08 PM GMT
    This planet is over populated. We need to prevent births. Not deaths. And besides, those that die from catching something from someone who didn't wash their hands were most likely too sick and weak anyway.
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    Jan 17, 2013 5:11 PM GMT
    riddler78 saidhttp://www.brainpickings.org/index.php/2012/05/31/contagion-take-part/

    So tell us, what do people do in China, where you actually live?
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    Jan 17, 2013 7:00 PM GMT
    ART_DECO said
    riddler78 saidhttp://www.brainpickings.org/index.php/2012/05/31/contagion-take-part/

    So tell us, what do people do in China, where you actually live?


    Madame Bucket - maybe you ought to wear a bit more tinfoil on that shrinking head of yours icon_wink.gif. I don't live in China - but as for what they do? It varies greatly.
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    Jan 17, 2013 7:03 PM GMT
    LAGuy1979 saidThis planet is over populated. We need to prevent births. Not deaths. And besides, those that die from catching something from someone who didn't wash their hands were most likely too sick and weak anyway.


    Really? Why do you say that the world is overpopulated? I never have understood those who make the claim that we shouldn't prevent deaths and yet they so jealously guard their own lives and those they know. Yep, let's push everyone else out into the sea... icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jan 17, 2013 7:30 PM GMT
    This sensationalist research isn't pragmatic and it's pointless. "If EVERYS SINGLE PERSON on the planet does X then DRAMATIC Y WILL OCCUR". No shit Sherlock you're talking about 6 billion people, if every single one of them does ANYTHING in tandem of course you'll have some dramatic outcome, but that's far from how things work.
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    Jan 17, 2013 7:35 PM GMT
    There are some horrible falicies in that video. Yes the premise of disease control is accurate but comparing Influenza to SARS is kind of messed up. Different viruses act differently. Influenza is different from SARS is different from HIV etc. Washing your hands is helpful but the widespread use of antibacterial handsoaps and antibiotic medications depletes our body's ability to fight bacterial and viral infections.

    Also, the suggestions that we get a flu vaccine and see a doctor are kind of offensive to the human body in my opinion. Granted I have treated myself as an expirament in non western medicine for the past 5 years (no ibuprofen, no flu shot, no doctors) and I have experienced some great results (personal experience). Your body is capable of defending itself against influenza if you train it to. Small, consistent exposure to harmful pathogens is strength training for your imune system.

    Finally, the world IS overpopulated. We have become to big to ensure everyone has a healthy human experience. We can not feed our children or guarentee safe water. The global ecosystem has been disrupted by us and the best solution is LESS US.
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    LAGuy1979 saidThis planet is over populated. We need to prevent births. Not deaths. And besides, those that die from catching something from someone who didn't wash their hands were most likely too sick and weak anyway.


    Really? Why do you say that the world is overpopulated? I never have understood those who make the claim that we shouldn't prevent deaths and yet they so jealously guard their own lives and those they know. Yep, let's push everyone else out into the sea... icon_rolleyes.gif


    My point is that we are multiplying to the point that this planet cannot support the virus that is the human race. We need population control to reduce our numbers. We need to get the population down to a more manageable amount and then we can worry about extending our lives. Human beings are this planet's most renewable resource. We don't need to worry about saving lives. Mine included.
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    Jan 17, 2013 7:37 PM GMT
    We need to Lottery that shit and start group stoning some undesirables.
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    Jan 17, 2013 7:40 PM GMT
    we have a saying in hebrew thats sais
    ''if grandma had weels ,she would be a bus''
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    Jan 17, 2013 7:41 PM GMT
    Yes, but how many people have been saved by having their immune system strengthened by contact with germs? A little muck never hurt anyone.
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    Jan 17, 2013 8:21 PM GMT
    LAGuy1979 saidThis planet is over populated. We need to prevent births. Not deaths. And besides, those that die from catching something from someone who didn't wash their hands were most likely too sick and weak anyway.

    +1
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    Jan 17, 2013 8:38 PM GMT
    That is why homosexuals are the next evolution of humanity. Don't breed, look great doing it. What a sweet life! icon_smile.gif
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    Jan 17, 2013 8:51 PM GMT
    LAGuy1979 said
    riddler78 said
    LAGuy1979 saidThis planet is over populated. We need to prevent births. Not deaths. And besides, those that die from catching something from someone who didn't wash their hands were most likely too sick and weak anyway.


    Really? Why do you say that the world is overpopulated? I never have understood those who make the claim that we shouldn't prevent deaths and yet they so jealously guard their own lives and those they know. Yep, let's push everyone else out into the sea... icon_rolleyes.gif


    My point is that we are multiplying to the point that this planet cannot support the virus that is the human race. We need population control to reduce our numbers. We need to get the population down to a more manageable amount and then we can worry about extending our lives. Human beings are this planet's most renewable resource. We don't need to worry about saving lives. Mine included.


    What do you define as more manageable?
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    Jan 17, 2013 8:53 PM GMT
    Perhaps balanced with the large ecosystems that make up our world. Supported by the earth rather than always trying to artificially sustain a longer life.
  • ASHDOD

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    Jan 17, 2013 9:11 PM GMT
    imbrad saidThat is why homosexuals are the next evolution of humanity. Don't breed, look great doing it. What a sweet life! icon_smile.gif


    EXACTLY!
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    Jan 17, 2013 9:12 PM GMT
    imbrad saidPerhaps balanced with the large ecosystems that make up our world. Supported by the earth rather than always trying to artificially sustain a longer life.


    What do you define as artificial? Are antibiotics and vaccines artificial?
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    Jan 17, 2013 9:23 PM GMT
    Those researchers are correct! I say mankind’s behavior is the root to its own demise or salvation. Over population is not the problem, however greed and imbalance...is! We are not a virus unless we allow ourselves to behave like one.
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    Jan 17, 2013 9:32 PM GMT
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    imbrad saidPerhaps balanced with the large ecosystems that make up our world. Supported by the earth rather than always trying to artificially sustain a longer life.


    What do you define as artificial? Are antibiotics and vaccines artificial?


    The main point in the issue regarding population, is that even though cities aren't overcrowded(in the west, anyway), there isn't enough land and clean water to support the entire population with food and water. Part of the reason why there are billions with such a relatively poor standard of living is that there are simply too many humans consuming too much in the way of natural resources. And that's just currently, seeing as how the rate of population growth has us projected to hit 10+ in a decade or two. If conditions are like this now, wait until then. At least, of course, if people don't wake up to the fact that the way they live has a direct, and usually negative, impact on the environment in which they live.

    As to the OP, like others have said, the claim that hyper sanitation will save many more lives is fallacious. Put in practice, the body's own immune system may become so atrophied that any infection would be enough to do someone in. Short of walking around in a bubble, and even then, there just isn't a reliable way to prevent exposure. Not that you should, since our body's are highly capable to adapting to particular amounts of exposure, which would be healthier long run than being incessantly medicated.
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    Jan 17, 2013 9:52 PM GMT
    ASHDOD saidwe have a saying in hebrew thats sais
    ''if grandma had weels ,she would be a bus''


    I just returned from a trip to Israel. .Since you're an Israeli tourist guide, you must be very intelligent and well-versed. To the best of my knowledge ALL Israeli tourist guides are! I wish I had met you while I was there icon_smile.gif

    As to your Hebrew saying, the original expression was "if dine bubba vut g'hut batsum ag'zain a zeda" : "If your grandmother had balls she'd have been your grandfather"! The cleaned-up version, as I originally heard it [70 years ago!] , was "If your grandmother had wheels she'd have been a trolley car". Of course we HAD trolley cars back then, so I willing accept the 21st Century version of "bus" icon_smile.gif The cleaned-up version is mainly for children, and today's children wouldn't know what a trolley car is! [or WAS]
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    Jan 17, 2013 10:06 PM GMT
    It would be a waste of time to point out the many fallacies in this thread. However, I can't help noting that the growth of urban populations is a very new thing for our species. It enables things like "lifestyles" (for lack of a better word) that have never existed before. But it also means that biological and ecological relationships that worked in the past will no longer suffice.

    Until the late 20th century, cities were death-traps. More people died in cities than were born there. The biggest factor in changing that has been the control of disease transmission. A sustainable urban population depends on inventing new artificial ecological relationships. These are still being worked out. But it is a proven fact that taking measures to control disease transmission is absolutely essential for your survival.

    And the lesson (if it pans out) of "the hygiene hypothesis" is that kids need to spend more time playing in the soil. Not that it's ok for everyone to swap snot during flu season.

    I know, TLicon_biggrin.gifR.
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    Jan 17, 2013 11:09 PM GMT
    If people would eat healthier foods, their immune systems would be stronger and less susceptible to a few bacteria from not washing your hands.
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    Jan 18, 2013 1:38 AM GMT
    Sigh, the degree of nihilism in believing Western medicine is going to be the death of us all. Non-western cultures may have their own models of explanation of disease, but it's not futile to try to integrate Western principles with them. That's what medical anthropology is all about

    For western nations, there's no excuse for the pseudoscience that's taken hold.

    The study mentioned is not even that new--it's a decade old.

    http://www.cdc.gov/healthywater/hygiene/fast_facts.html
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    Jan 18, 2013 1:52 AM GMT
    BS
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    Jan 18, 2013 1:53 AM GMT
    Why can't you suckas just WASH YOUR HANDS????