Is this a Trap?

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    Sep 26, 2008 4:04 PM GMT
    This is just a hunch, but I'm getting the impression of a huge October Surprise playing out right now. Could this whole economic meltdown just be a huge, elaborate ambush? If so, the victims walked right into it and the slaughter will commense shortly.

    I'm not going any further with this until events play out. If I'm right, this will be the absolute mother of all October surprises.







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    Sep 26, 2008 4:07 PM GMT
    Who's ambushing whom in your scenario?
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    Sep 26, 2008 4:18 PM GMT
    Caslon, I'll tell ya on Monday afternoon. If you take a close look at current events it may become obvious to you. I may also be completely wrong on this, like I said, it's a hunch. Then there is the hurdle of your twisted mind trying to think like my twisted mind.

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    Sep 26, 2008 4:18 PM GMT
    Yeah, who's laying the trap, and who gets ambushed? But if this economic scare is a phony "trap" then there will be hell to pay. It's caused upheaval on Wall Street and frightened Main Street, so anyone responsible for it will be lucky not to face a lynch mob.
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    Sep 26, 2008 4:20 PM GMT
    The biggest trick the devil ever played is convincing the world he doesn't exist.

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    Sep 26, 2008 4:20 PM GMT
    John43620 saidCaslon, I'll tell ya on Monday afternoon. If you take a close look at current events it may become obvious to you. I may also be completely wrong on this, like I said, it's a hunch. Then there is the hurdle of your twisted mind trying to think like my twisted mind.


    ok whatever... icon_rolleyes.gif ...start a thread and then dont want to talk about it.....one would think you were ..a ..republican ...oh, nevermind
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    Sep 26, 2008 4:28 PM GMT
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    Sep 26, 2008 4:36 PM GMT
    I think the question that needs to be asked, is that has the question that has been asked, trully questioned the questionable events or only questioned that which has unqestionably already been asked?

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  • GQjock

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    Sep 26, 2008 4:50 PM GMT
    Big elaborate scam icon_rolleyes.gif

    By whom? Who's rolling out the Fire sale mentality?

    Motive? ... bailing out what group of people?

    Benefiting Whom? ... it sure the hell ain't Katrina victims I can tell ya that much



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    Sep 26, 2008 4:59 PM GMT
    OK, here's a couple of clues. Try to think military. First of all, in combat, one tries not to use the same route of march on a frequent basis, if you have to, at least limit and vary the times that you do it. Second, audacity and surprise give one side an edge on the outcome of a fight.
    Now, try and translate that into the presidential campaigns and look for clues in current events as they play out today and over the weekend.

    Oh, and one other clue, last night, one side hit the trip wire and set off the claymore, the press will soon be opening up with the pig and raking the ambush victims with grazing fire. The press are unwitting accomplices. This is ingenius, if I'm right in translating events.

    No matter which side I'm on, I have to admire a well played ambush.



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    Sep 26, 2008 6:28 PM GMT
    My rumor mill tells me the possibility of Bush (through a surrogate) striking Irans nuclear facility or something on that order in order to scare people into "surrender all your power to me, and I will protect you" mode. OR something like it.
    (that is sometime between now and election day, OK I know this has nothing to do with the economy, but I thought it was interesting anyway)
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    Sep 26, 2008 6:35 PM GMT
    BodyWork4 saidI think the question that needs to be asked, is that has the question that has been asked, trully questioned the questionable events or only questioned that which has unqestionably already been asked?

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    Good question!
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    Sep 26, 2008 6:43 PM GMT
    The big difference now, then from in the past, is the world is flush with cash. Stock brokerages wanted to cash in on the media created "bad times" and got stuck by shorting their portfolios since it didn't happen. The housing problem is the result of building way too many huge houses that people could never afford but building them created so many jobs( hathaway fund..bought many building material companies) that every body wanted in on it. So this is a case of abundance managing rather than the typical depression of "lack".
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    Sep 26, 2008 6:53 PM GMT
    I think we have a little too much conspiracy theory going on here.

    The interesting thing about the financial debacle as it currently stands is the issue of trying to solve it in a hurry. The worlds most expensive triage is just that: triage!

    Since this current condition of the markets was brought about largely by a combination of many things, the two largest contributors being greed combined with lack of regulation. It is true that a free market economy will balance itself out, but there's nothing to say what extremes it may have to reach before the necessity to balance arrives.

    Personally, I think that it isn't whether we should or shouldn't bail out the losers It's the the fact that the decision must be made right away that's so idiotic (from both sides of the house.) This knee-jerk reaction is a lose-lose situation. I don't see either party presenting any kind of solution that isn't heavily loaded with political influence rather than sound economics. This needs to be dealt with by addressing the thousands of details and not with broad strokes of enormous sums of money. Even if one party had a slight edge on the other in good choices, the difference is negligible.

    Any severe change in the world whether in natural disasters or cultural phenomenon (such as this financial 'crisis') always generates conspiracy theory. It's not that conspiracy doesn't exist, it's that it's responsible for so few things in this world that it's usually meaningless. It typically happens when someone simply can't accept the truth of the situation particularly when the actual cause/result was largely if not completely due to ignorance, negligence, apathy, or incompetence. (i.e. Kennedy assassination, landing on the moon, even 9/11).

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    Sep 26, 2008 7:04 PM GMT
    Coming from John, it sounds like a McCain setup in order for him to manipulate foreign events resulting in him "looking good" as a President/Commander in Chief. Thus, "everyone" sways their vote for him and voila, President John McCain and the end of the world.

    You've been talking about this since mid-August. It's your blood-lust dream.
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    Sep 26, 2008 7:05 PM GMT
    BodyWork4 saidI think the question that needs to be asked, is that has the question that has been asked, trully questioned the questionable events or only questioned that which has unqestionably already been asked?

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    that didn't confuse me one bit.
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    Sep 26, 2008 7:17 PM GMT
    Well, if this is an Oliver Stone movie, the banks brought this crisis about with their man Friday (Paulson) still working in the Bush administration, to steer this burning boat into the harbor of choice (the Bush administration), where they can get a bigger, better boat.
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    Sep 26, 2008 7:17 PM GMT
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    Sep 26, 2008 7:19 PM GMT
    Good work, Sherlock!
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    Sep 26, 2008 7:21 PM GMT
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/25/14826/3093
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    Sep 26, 2008 7:28 PM GMT
    You guys aint even close. It isn't that complicated. Another rule in military planning and operations, Keep It Simple Soldier.



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    Sep 26, 2008 7:43 PM GMT
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    Sep 26, 2008 7:52 PM GMT
    NNJfitandbi, you are catching on only there is so much more to it. You did scratch the paint though.

    Think; turning your enemy's strengths into weaknesses or vulnerabilities.

    Sun Tzu would love this.



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    Sep 26, 2008 7:53 PM GMT
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    BodyWork4 saidI think the question that needs to be asked, is that has the question that has been asked, trully questioned the questionable events or only questioned that which has unqestionably already been asked?

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    that didn't confuse me one bit.



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    Sep 26, 2008 8:13 PM GMT
    Whatever conspiracy theory John43620 came up with reminds me of a common plot device used by writers to spice up their stories.
    tvtropes.org calls it a Xanatos Roulette

    "In a Xanatos Gambit, an especially cunning villain is able to trick the heroes into giving him what he wants. The Xanatos Roulette takes this one step too far. The villain is upgraded from "cunning" to "seemingly omniscient". The plan is ridiculously convoluted, often relying on events that are completely within the realm of chance - yet it comes off without a single hitch (or so we're told; it's only in retrospect that we find out that pretty much everything that's happened in the series up to this point was part of one huge, overarching plot).

    Basically, an attempt to make a villain seem impressive, stretched to the point where Willing Suspension Of Disbelief is broken."


    (From http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/XanatosRoulette


    Please guys, use Occam's Razor icon_sad.gif