Eating junk to hit macros (a clean eating vs IIFYM dilemma)

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    Jan 23, 2013 5:57 AM GMT
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    EDIT: To try to clarify, I am asking if given NO other options, do you think it is better for someone to fairly regularly undershoot their caloric intake goal, or to fairly regularly hit the goal via extra empty calories for the pure sake of hitting the goal (ie not for enjoyment of eating empty calories).

    (NOT asking "Will one cookie affect me?")
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    Weird question but say your goal is putting on mass and through calculation and experimentation you have determined that 3000 calories/day is ideal for your body and goal.



    You always eat very clean and so far today you have 2800 cal at a good protein/carb/fat ratio. But now it is night time and you are locked in a room with a sugary floury buttery 200 calorie cookie.

    Should you:
    A) Go to bed at a clean 200 calorie "deficit" (probably not really a deficit but less than you want)
    B) Eat that cookie regardless of what its made of



    Which do you think is best for long run? I know one day won't make a difference but say you encounter this dilemma every now and again.
    (And we all know option C is best so don't bother choosing that)
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    Jan 23, 2013 3:23 PM GMT
    I would choose A. The cookie has sugar and unheathy fat. whatever "mass" you may gain from the fat would not be lean muscle.

    Choice C -- prepare for these sitiaitons by having healty eats and drinks in the house.
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    Jan 23, 2013 3:59 PM GMT
    Dfinitely b, the cookie will add fat, in theory ne way (my theory) but wat if u were 2900 calories short and only had 2900 calories of ice cream, it also seems like a lil bit wont get ya, its taking moe than ur body can convert, so a 200 calorie cookie 30 seconds before leg day, no biggie, a dbl 1/4 lb meal supersized w/ extra cheese n bacon right before bed, not great. The fire analogy works great for these kina questions
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    Jan 23, 2013 5:24 PM GMT
    Eat the cookie. One isn't going to kill you. Too much saturated fat, sugar, and salt, will, but eat the cookie and get on with life.
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    Jan 23, 2013 7:10 PM GMT
    I'd eat the COOKIE if it fits my macros.
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    Jan 23, 2013 7:13 PM GMT
    Eat the damn cookie. If your diet is so restrictive that you can't fit in the odd indulgence, you need a new diet.
  • Montague

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    Jan 23, 2013 7:14 PM GMT
    Eat it!! Or else you're going to probably end up eating more junk than you originally wanted too!
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    Jan 23, 2013 7:18 PM GMT
    Too late, I ate it, and I'd do it again too.
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    Jan 23, 2013 7:20 PM GMT
    I was training for a show, and I start locking stuff in about 24 weeks out. That's a while. Some folks on do 18 weeks, but, I don't like to go that fast, and like to give myself some wiggle room and coast in.

    I was about 9 weeks out, a bit hungry (mostly just dragging ass), and just craving fast food something fierce. Finally, I couldn't stand it. I went to McDonald's and got 4 Quarter Pounders, and 4 orders of fries, and a large Diet Coke. I gobbled 'em down. My posing trainer (Jesse) pitched a fit. I said, don't worry, wait until you see me in a few hours. Now, all that salt, sodium, fat, and a bit of sugar (white bread) carbed me up, BIG TIME, I got rid of my craving, and the Diet Coke dried me out, and I looked like the 5'5, 190#, ripped to the bone stud that I was.

    The next day, everyone ewed and ahhed about how great I looked. I giggled and said 4 Quarter Pounders and Fries.

    It's 1 damn cookie and you are only eating 3000 calories a day. Eat.

    When I'm real active, I'll put down 5500 to 6500 calories a day. Eat.

    Your mind and body is telling you to eat. Eat.

    Eat.

    You'll burn the cookie off in about 20 minute of working out, or less. Eat. Eat the damn cookie.

    Just do it.
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    Jan 23, 2013 7:22 PM GMT
    uoft23 saidToo late, I ate it, and I'd do it again too.


    ROFL

    Fuck yeah.
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    Jan 23, 2013 7:38 PM GMT
    If your goal is putting on mass, just eat the cookie. Don't do it every time, but when you're bulking you might as well enjoy it. When you're cutting is the time to be strict.
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    Jan 23, 2013 7:40 PM GMT
    The cookie probably has less than 200 calories in it. The fast sugar will load his muscle, if he's working out, the fat will give him satiation.

    It's crazy to worry about a single cookie. You can burn that off in less than 20 minutes.

    The kid is 156# at 6'3" for crying out loud. He NEEDS THE COOKIE. He has 13 inches arms. Calories are HIS FRIENDS.
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    Jan 23, 2013 7:42 PM GMT
    chuckystud saidThe cookie probably has less than 200 calories in it. The fast sugar will load his muscle, if he's working out, the fat will give him satiation.

    It's crazy to worry about a single cookie. You can burn that off in less than 20 minutes.

    The kid is 156# at 6'3" for crying out loud. He NEEDS THE COOKIE.


    Is there a point where cookies become a biological necessity?
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    Jan 23, 2013 7:44 PM GMT
    Medjai said
    Is there a point where cookies become a biological necessity?


    Yes.
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    Jan 23, 2013 7:49 PM GMT
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    chuckystud saidThe cookie probably has less than 200 calories in it. The fast sugar will load his muscle, if he's working out, the fat will give him satiation.

    It's crazy to worry about a single cookie. You can burn that off in less than 20 minutes.

    The kid is 156# at 6'3" for crying out loud. He NEEDS THE COOKIE.


    Is there a point where cookies become a biological necessity?


    Prey 'tel when you say you're trying to gain mass and have 13 inch arms?

    Gaining is about calories.

    I am the king of the buffet.

    Just a corn fed kid from NE who weighed 175 in high school and had the fifth highest strength index in the school. A guy 6'3", wanting to gain, who is active, who borders on being looking anorexic, can eat 200 calories... Yes, Dear, he needs the cookie. Calories are his friends.

    Sugar will carb him up (as I said), the fat will provide satiety. The carbs will be protein sparing. They will help OP to become a real boy.

    (All this talk...I am making Rice Kripsy Treats. Yumm.)
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    Jan 23, 2013 7:55 PM GMT
    listen to Chucky he knows what he is talking about...at that weight you should not be fretting about anything


    now if you are only eating the cookie because you somehow feel that you have to reach 3000 calories before you go to bed and are just eating for the sake of that, I would say no but if you want, eat it, it will not kill you and it will not kill someone weighing only 156 at 6ft3


    and I would love to eat 4 quarter pounders and 4 fries but dont think i would get in more than two of each
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    Jan 23, 2013 7:58 PM GMT
    jerseywoof saidlisten to Chucky he knows what he is talking about...at that weight you should not be fretting about anything


    now if you are only eating the cookie because you somehow feel that you have to reach 3000 calories before you go to bed and are just eating for the sake of that, I would say no but if you want, eat it, it will not kill you and it will not kill someone weighing only 156 at 6ft3


    and I would love to eat 4 quarter pounders and 4 fries but dont think i would get in more than two of each


    You'd be surprised how unsatisfying a McDonald's meal can be...
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    Jan 23, 2013 8:07 PM GMT
    I actually don't crave the salt, sugar, and fat...unless I'm low on calories, carb depleted, and run down, and..that's primal instinct kicking in.

    I actually feel a bit sick when I eat that crap, normally.

    "Supersize Me" is a pretty good flic on fast food. So is "Food Inc."
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    Jan 23, 2013 8:45 PM GMT
    In case it was unclear, I am not actually locked in a room with a cookie looking for personal advice for my unfortunate situation. Do not fret.

    Though additionally I will add that said cookie is by no means delicious, and you derive no pleasure from eating it.
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    Jan 23, 2013 8:47 PM GMT
    djshowdown2 saidWeird question but say your goal is putting on mass and through calculation and experimentation you have determined that 3000 calories/day is ideal for your body and goal.



    You always eat very clean and so far today you have 2800 cal at a good protein/carb/fat ratio. But now it is night time and you are locked in a room with a sugary floury buttery 200 calorie cookie.

    Should you:
    A) Go to bed at a clean 200 calorie "deficit" (probably not really a deficit but less than you want)
    B) Eat that cookie regardless of what its made of



    Which do you think is best for long run? I know one day won't make a difference but say you encounter this dilemma every now and again.
    (And we all know option C is best so don't bother choosing that)



    Depends if you want muscle and look muscular or if you want to add belly fat. Junk food does not build lean muscle.
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    Jan 23, 2013 10:33 PM GMT
    Fast sugar is a GOOD thing if you aren't carb loaded, and is something you should do after EVERY WORKOUT if you're trying to gain mass leveraging the golden hour post workout for carb uptake.

    Excess calories, excess fat, with too much insulin / blood sugar too high can make you fat.

    For a person as underweight as the poster here, the cookie would clearly be indicated, especially if he is active, and wanting to gain, as he said he is. Better to get the 200 calories from the cookie, than taking it from the little muscle he currently has.

    The cookie would encourage an insulin response, possible driving appetite, but, in any event helping him "load", and possibly getting the O.P. to eat another meal, which is indicated, given his stated goals and the fact he is underweight.
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    Jan 24, 2013 3:56 AM GMT
    mileshelvetica saidI would choose A. The cookie has sugar and unheathy fat. whatever "mass" you may gain from the fat would not be lean muscle.

    Choice C -- prepare for these sitiaitons by having healty eats and drinks in the house.
    actually it depends on how the cookie was made. it was probably made with butter a healthy fat, honey and brown sugar both not terribly bad, almonds and raisins which are both very good and steel oats oatmeal which is very good. i go with the cookie if its made like that. ha ha ha see how i just rationalized eating a perfectly no so healthy cookie
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    Jan 24, 2013 7:54 AM GMT
    Oh, Jesus Christ, is this really a debate?

    You know what'll really kill you? Stressing about whether or not a 200-calorie cookie is going to fucking doom you to obesity, diabetes, cardiac arrest and early death.

    People who smoke, eat crappy food and only moderately exercise tend to have higher death rates than people who don't, don't and do. Tend to. But most regularly outlive their ancestors who for some reason only had the wherewithal to grow their own food, kill it, cook it and eat it. You know, sort of like the paleo diet, only without the cultish bullshit.

    My own grandparents were taken in the mewling youth of their early nineties, having smoked like chimneys for 50 years, carbed up on potatoes and Wonder Bread in every flipping meal, fried their steak burgers in bacon grease and wore too-small shoes. Yes, you should have seen Grandma's gnarled feet. Of course my example is anecdotal, and shouldn't be regarded as a general guide to daily living. How they outlived their daughter--a non-smoking, tee-totaling, clean-living vitamin freak--we'll never be able to answer. But you can bet your ass they wouldn't have blinked at that cookie.
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    Jan 24, 2013 8:19 AM GMT
    Well, being a starchy sugar addict myself, if I eat one cookie, I'm gona eat the whole bag. Preferably with a glass or two of milk. icon_eek.gif
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    Jan 25, 2013 10:41 PM GMT
    mickeytopogigio saidOh, Jesus Christ, is this really a debate?

    You know what'll really kill you? Stressing about whether or not a 200-calorie cookie is going to fucking doom you to obesity, diabetes, cardiac arrest and early death.

    People who smoke, eat crappy food and only moderately exercise tend to have higher death rates than people who don't, don't and do. Tend to. But most regularly outlive their ancestors who for some reason only had the wherewithal to grow their own food, kill it, cook it and eat it. You know, sort of like the paleo diet, only without the cultish bullshit.

    My own grandparents were taken in the mewling youth of their early nineties, having smoked like chimneys for 50 years, carbed up on potatoes and Wonder Bread in every flipping meal, fried their steak burgers in bacon grease and wore too-small shoes. Yes, you should have seen Grandma's gnarled feet. Of course my example is anecdotal, and shouldn't be regarded as a general guide to daily living. How they outlived their daughter--a non-smoking, tee-totaling, clean-living vitamin freak--we'll never be able to answer. But you can bet your ass they wouldn't have blinked at that cookie.


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