'Getting worse': Egypt's gays fear government crackdown

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    Jan 23, 2013 11:05 AM GMT
    http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/23/16644770-getting-worse-egypts-gays-fear-government-crackdown?lite
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    Jan 23, 2013 11:20 AM GMT
    The Muslim Brotherhood is right-wing of course. It's the left in Egypt that is fighting against the Muslim Brotherhood's party, just like everywhere in the world where the left defends freedom and secularism, including the US.

    The revolution was not started by one party or ideological group but many very different political groups with different ideologies united only by their opposition to Mubarak. So now the true revolutionaries are fighting against those that took advantage of the situation to promote their theocratic agenda.
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    Jan 23, 2013 12:00 PM GMT
    That's exactly what would have happened here if Romney had won.

    It's not just Muslims...it's religion in general. Religion hates gays.
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    Jan 23, 2013 1:04 PM GMT
    Humano saidIt's the left in Egypt that is fighting against the Muslim Brotherhood's party, just like everywhere in the world where the left defends freedom and secularism, including the US.


    Secularism yes, freedom no. China, Russia and Cuba were/are not free countries under their leftism.
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    Jan 23, 2013 1:12 PM GMT
    paulflexes saidThat's exactly what would have happened here if Romney had won.

    It's not just Muslims...it's religion in general. Religion hates gays.


    Ehm, there's plenty of religions which feature gods, heroes and priests that do gay things or are double-gendered. (i.e. Alexander the Great, Loki the Norse trickster, Native American traditional shamans)
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    Jan 23, 2013 1:39 PM GMT
    heyom said
    Humano saidIt's the left in Egypt that is fighting against the Muslim Brotherhood's party, just like everywhere in the world where the left defends freedom and secularism, including the US.


    Secularism yes, freedom no. China, Russia and Cuba were/are not free countries under their leftism.

    Those countries were never leftist under Communism, which was a misnomer, but dictatorships that were the opposite of liberalism. Liberals believe in democracy. And BTW, I believe you mean USSR rather than Russia, which now is a right-wing near-dictatorship.
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    Jan 23, 2013 3:11 PM GMT
    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com

    Aren't Barack Hussein Obama's Muslim Brotherhood BFFs awesome? ;P
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    Jan 24, 2013 2:01 AM GMT
    paulflexes saidThat's exactly what would have happened here if Romney had won.

    It's not just Muslims...it's religion in general. Religion hates gays.


    The Unitarian Church is more open-minded and liberal.
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    Jan 24, 2013 5:36 AM GMT
    skykey said
    paulflexes saidThat's exactly what would have happened here if Romney had won.

    It's not just Muslims...it's religion in general. Religion hates gays.


    People naturally hate or disgusted by homosexual activities. So you should blame religion for prejudices that people naturally have.


    You must be talking about people who are "naturally" disgusted by their own sexual proclivities because all the people I know and have known who are naturally comfortable with their own sexuality are not disgusted by mine. In fact, I've noticed some of them get turned on by it while others certainly seem at least intrigued. For quite a while I had one str8 friend who was positively jealous.

    Though religion often seems to do it's damnedest to make its adherents uncomfortable with their own sexuality, I only agree with you that religion is not the ultimate cause of people being uncomfortable with themselves. Ultimately that lies with the people themselves. Not in their being disgusted by us but by them being disgusted with their own sexuality. I look forward to your naming any other institution which seeks so fervently to control through fear or promises of reward how people feel about their sexual selves.
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    Jan 24, 2013 1:29 PM GMT
    Thanks for bringing this.
    very sad
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    Jan 24, 2013 5:02 PM GMT
    theantijock said

    You must be talking about people who are "naturally" disgusted by their own sexual proclivities because all the people I know and have known who are naturally comfortable with their own sexuality are not disgusted by mine. In fact, I've noticed some of them get turned on by it while others certainly seem at least intrigued. For quite a while I had one str8 friend who was positively jealous.

    I agree with this. My best friend (first guy I came out to) is straight, and actually gets jealous if I talk about my other straight friends, especially if I think they're attractive. He jokes that I'm his true crush and recently he's even made jokes about what he'd let me do to him in bed.

    He's completely secure in his sexuality and isn't grossed out or offended by gays hitting on him or thinking about being with a guy. It's just not what he's attracted to as a companion.
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    Jan 24, 2013 5:14 PM GMT
    Incendiary saidhttp://www.thereligionofpeace.com

    Aren't Barack Hussein Obama's Muslim Brotherhood BFFs awesome? ;P



    Your statement has all the logic of bricks + pudding = bird nests.
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    Jan 24, 2013 5:23 PM GMT
    skykey said
    People naturally hate or disgusted by homosexual activities. So you should blame religion for prejudices that people naturally have.


    OK, second strike, after that ridiculous adoption statement that gay men shouldn't be parents. You're clearly not a gay man and are here to stir up trouble.

    I've reported you for abuse and hope others do too.
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    Jan 24, 2013 5:28 PM GMT
    I agree with a lot of what antijock said. So you guys don't shit on all religion out of ignorance, Judaism is all about unity. It's the only of the major three that doesn't promise extreme punishment. Instead the importance of good is highlighted. Evil does not exist because cold does not exist--there is only heat, and the absence of heat, and likewise good and the absence of good.

    The deeper you get into its esoteric working parts, you find that a lot of the mystical awareness requires sexual awareness. I doubt you'll hear that kind of level-headed discussion of the central aspect of existence, physical love, in any church. Also, it's the only major religion that isn't misogynistic, by that I mean, God is not portrayed as only male; God has a masculine and feminine aspect. Makes sense to me...you can't have the color blue create the color red. Blue and red must both exist.

    side note: Am I the only guy that gets really annoyed by the term "gays"? It sounds circus freak-stupid to me. Homos sounds way cooler. Gays just sounds wimpy and nowhere near badass. It sucks that so many people use it.

    Homos < every other word. We're Homosapiens. It's clearly the best and most humanity-centralized term. Go with it.
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    Jan 24, 2013 5:30 PM GMT
    FirestormDavid said

    side note: Am I the only guy that gets really annoyed by the term "gays"? I sounds circus freak-stupid to me. Homos sounds way cooler. Gays just sounds wimpy and nowhere near badass. It sucks that so many people use it.


    You're not the only one, MikeW has posted about this a lot.

    But the word is the word, at least until common usage hanges. To me it sounds like those who object to it aren't quite comfortable with themselves, want to distance themselves from "the rest of them" to make themselves feel better.
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    Jan 24, 2013 5:43 PM GMT
    I am completely comfortable with myself--my self knowledge is an endless bay of soul silos of both love for myself and all life.

    That being said, haha I DO want to distance myself from the womanly homos. It makes no sense to group such a diverse array of men into a group with so many "men". It's not out of self discomfort that I seek a manlier term, but out of self-comfort and more so, self respect. I respect that in me that is man and serve him beyond all else.

    Life is all about presentation. Think of how many guys out there that are bisexual that end up seeking females when males would make them far happier. This is because the culture misrepresents homos at almost every turn by only showing the womanly ones, so these guys who are bi can choose to avoid all that bullshit. Misrepresentation is one of the leading causes of suffering in minorities. But i'm saying if bisexual men are empowered, it won't be a minority. At least half of all men would go apeshit for man on man action but don't have the balls to pursue it because of how much ridicule they could get. If men are seen as men while with other men, it will revolutionize the man cave dynamic for all time. Symbolic Annihilation is when the culture doesn't rep your soul attributes. The manly man is fucking annihilated. I hate how gay guys will accuse one of being uncomfortable with themself just because they seek to honor their manliness.

    There should not be one blanket term. There's far more sexual diversity in the Other Than Straight side, so one word does us all an injustice.

    Respect men who defend their rights to be seen as men. It doesn't hurt you. Misreprestation hurts.

    I will change the world culture in this department massively. The manliest men will, when I am done, be as equally expected to engage with each other as with all their damn females mwahahaha. We are a bisexual nation living in denial. Only the greatest most badass movies for a span of thirty years will empower these men to nourish their bisexuality.
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    Jan 24, 2013 5:50 PM GMT
    FirestormDavid saidI am completely comfortable with myself--my self knowledge is an endless bay of soul silos of both love for myself and all life.

    That being said, haha I DO want to distance myself from the womanly homos.


    You just proved my point.
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    Jan 24, 2013 5:52 PM GMT
    haha fuck off you wont learn. You think all homos are womanly eh? Well good morning, the truth is out there, and it contradicts you. Have some damn respect for guys like me. It's annoying to be a cock and be called a hen.

    You can call a cock a hen whenever you want.

    Still it is a cock.
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    Jan 24, 2013 6:09 PM GMT
    FirestormDavid saidYou think all homos are womanly eh?


    No, not at all. I do think that your discomfort with them probably indicates some essential discomfort with yourself, though.

    The haters hate us all, because we like the cock. You don't get avoid it by thinking you're manlier-than-thou.
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    Jan 24, 2013 6:30 PM GMT
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    theantijock said

    You must be talking about people who are "naturally" disgusted by their own sexual proclivities because all the people I know and have known who are naturally comfortable with their own sexuality are not disgusted by mine. In fact, I've noticed some of them get turned on by it while others certainly seem at least intrigued. For quite a while I had one str8 friend who was positively jealous.

    I agree with this. My best friend (first guy I came out to) is straight, and actually gets jealous if I talk about my other straight friends, especially if I think they're attractive. He jokes that I'm his true crush and recently he's even made jokes about what he'd let me do to him in bed.

    He's completely secure in his sexuality and isn't grossed out or offended by gays hitting on him or thinking about being with a guy. It's just not what he's attracted to as a companion.
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    My friend was female, frustrated by societal constraints she felt obligated to uphold yet in awe of my ability to easily find sexual satisfaction. She kept asking me to tell her more stories, living vicariously through my pleasure seeking. But then she'd go back to living her str8 life the way she thought was expected of her.

    That seemed to lead to or at least fed into a very bad scene because she eventually became frigid, found all sorts of reasons to ruin her dates, stopped dating, didn't have sex for years and that in turn effected her personality. It was horrible to watch as she turned on herself, unable to enjoy her own body. Not only unable to maintain relationships but working to destroy them. Sad what people do to themselves sometimes.
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    Jan 24, 2013 6:33 PM GMT
    Incendiary saidhttp://www.thereligionofpeace.com

    Aren't Barack Hussein Obama's Muslim Brotherhood BFFs awesome? ;P


    This article has a lot of good information that people, especially those that are gay, should study and be aware of.

    But what does BFF stand for? I did not see that yet while reading.
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    Jan 24, 2013 6:42 PM GMT
    FirestormDavid saidI am completely comfortable with myself--my self knowledge is an endless bay of soul silos of both love for myself and all life.

    That being said, haha I DO want to distance myself from the womanly homos. It makes no sense to group such a diverse array of men into a group with so many "men". It's not out of self discomfort that I seek a manlier term, but out of self-comfort and more so, self respect. I respect that in me that is man and serve him beyond all else.

    Life is all about presentation. Think of how many guys out there that are bisexual that end up seeking females when males would make them far happier. This is because the culture misrepresents homos at almost every turn by only showing the womanly ones, so these guys who are bi can choose to avoid all that bullshit. Misrepresentation is one of the leading causes of suffering in minorities. But i'm saying if bisexual men are empowered, it won't be a minority. At least half of all men would go apeshit for man on man action but don't have the balls to pursue it because of how much ridicule they could get. If men are seen as men while with other men, it will revolutionize the man cave dynamic for all time. Symbolic Annihilation is when the culture doesn't rep your soul attributes. The manly man is fucking annihilated. I hate how gay guys will accuse one of being uncomfortable with themself just because they seek to honor their manliness.

    There should not be one blanket term. There's far more sexual diversity in the Other Than Straight side, so one word does us all an injustice.

    Respect men who defend their rights to be seen as men. It doesn't hurt you. Misreprestation hurts.

    I will change the world culture in this department massively. The manliest men will, when I am done, be as equally expected to engage with each other as with all their damn females mwahahaha. We are a bisexual nation living in denial. Only the greatest most badass movies for a span of thirty years will empower these men to nourish their bisexuality.


    Sounds like you spend more time in a hypothetical world than in reality. Why not just live and let live?? Frankly, your malevolence toward femininity contradicts your premise that people are bi. If everyone were bi then we'd be happiest if we could fully appreciate people who have masc AND fem qualities. To only lust for masculine qualities IS fem, because women are traditionally thought to lust for only the manliest of men. Either way, it's all subjective. Not all straight men are equally manly, and not all straight women are equally feminine.
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    Jan 24, 2013 7:02 PM GMT
    FirestormDavid saidI agree with a lot of what antijock said. So you guys don't shit on all religion out of ignorance, Judaism is all about unity. It's the only of the major three that doesn't promise extreme punishment. Instead the importance of good is highlighted. Evil does not exist because cold does not exist--there is only heat, and the absence of heat, and likewise good and the absence of good...


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    FirestormDavid saidhaha fuck off you wont learn....


    As others are noting, your mind is racing. You need to take a breath and listen to what others are saying to you without being so quick to judge anyone who is not you. You've got some creativity but you can't substitute that for reality. You have to find a way to fit it in without replacing what's real. You need to find ways to ground yourself. If you are not already in psychological counceling I would seriously have you consider that at this point to help you keep yourself on track.

    Here's an example of what you are doing based upon what you've said that I hope you will be able to see without feeling threatened: Judaism actually does entail the hell concept, not generally thought of the same as Christians but it's still there. It is not harped upon, particularly not in the reformed or even conservative schools, though it certainly is discussed among the orthodoxy. If you actually study it, you'd find it is thought of as layers of hell, more similar to how some schools of Buddhism think of the hells. So what you have said is what hottjoe just said and what showme was trying to tell you, that you are very much living in your own head and not enough in the world.

    That creative ability of yours to do that can come to your advantage once you are able to ground yourself but also it can delude you and so become your disadvantage. Please seek professional help with your thinking. I am not saying this to put you down at all. I simply think you would benefit from that. I hope you take what I just said in a good light.
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    Jan 24, 2013 7:02 PM GMT
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    alexander7 said
    But what does BFF stand for? I did not see that yet while reading.

    BFF = Best Friends Forever


    Thanks Aristoshark, that is another one of those abbreviations I have never learned.
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    Jan 24, 2013 7:33 PM GMT
    Joe says it is fem to be attracted only to masculinity. Bullshit, Joe. Man to Man, get with the program. Funny that one could have such a boxed in, hetero-normative view. Get some imagination.

    And Antijock, fuck what the orthodox thinks. I'm a renaissance Jew. There is no hell.

    I'm ultra grounded, professional help? That's a joke. Those people are the real deluded ones, they think grandiosity is bad.....pathetic really.

    don't mistake a miscalculation of reality on my part, for me living out being who it is that I am.

    I'm not uncomfortable with femininity. When aroused, the male is all that exists. So that's not discomfort, it's complete annihilation haha.