Rhode Island moves closer to approving same-sex marriage, BUT...

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    Jan 23, 2013 1:35 PM GMT
    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/23/16652418-rhode-island-moves-closer-to-approving-same-sex-marriage?lite

    Even if the [State] bill passes, Rhode Island may be preempted by the U.S. Supreme Court, which received its first brief on same-sex marriage on Tuesday. The brief, which came from supporters of a 2008 California ban on same-sex marriage, urged the justices to let voters define marriage.

    A separate filing from the top three Republican members of the House of Representatives - Speaker John Boehner, Majority Leader Eric Cantor and Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy - urged the court to uphold Section 3 of a 1996 federal law, the Defense of Marriage Act, that has the effect of denying same-sex couples a variety of federal benefits that heterosexual couples receive.


    Republicans alternately say let the voters decide gay marriage, as in California. Yet they defend the right of Congress to decide this State issue through DOMA and override the voters in States that have approved gay marriage. And ask the US Supreme Court to also override these voters, and State legislatures that have voted for gay marriage.

    The only thing consistent about the Republican position is objection to gay marriage, no matter how it can be prevented. Their various arguments are contradictory smokescreens for bending the Constitution and the process to get what want, no matter what.
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    Jan 23, 2013 4:54 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    ART_DECO said
    Republicans alternately say let the voters decide gay marriage, as in California.


    As does my President.


    And what you're seeing is, I think, states working through this issue-- in fits and starts, all across the country. Different communities are arriving at different conclusions, at different times. And I think that's a healthy process and a healthy debate. And I continue to believe that this is an issue that is gonna be worked out at the local level, because historically, this has not been a federal issue, what's recognized as a marriage.

    - My President. May 9, 2012


    Let's see if it's actually possible to read into that.

    So the president went from mentioning the states to mentioning communities to noting "a...debate....worked out at the local level..."

    Well, where could that local level be but in the minds of the people who are debating the issue.

    And where is that often worked out? In the courts. Sooner or later we're gonna win this thing, with or without your help.
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    Jan 23, 2013 8:28 PM GMT
    I say In about 5 years (maybe a little more or less) this whole marriage issue will be resolved.

    These past 4 years have brought significant change to our country in both an economics and social spectrum. Who knows how the next 5 years will play out?
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    Jan 23, 2013 10:35 PM GMT
    We need a Loving vs. Virginia. (1967) And even then, it might take decades for attitudes to change. We're at 1991 with same-sex marriage, when compared with interracial marriage.

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    Then again you have this:
    http://www.aolnews.com/2011/04/08/46-percent-of-mississippi-republicans-want-interracial-marriage/ [banned, that is, not want it]
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    Jan 23, 2013 11:20 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    theantijock said
    southbeach1500 said
    ART_DECO said
    Republicans alternately say let the voters decide gay marriage, as in California.


    As does my President.


    And what you're seeing is, I think, states working through this issue-- in fits and starts, all across the country. Different communities are arriving at different conclusions, at different times. And I think that's a healthy process and a healthy debate. And I continue to believe that this is an issue that is gonna be worked out at the local level, because historically, this has not been a federal issue, what's recognized as a marriage.

    - My President. May 9, 2012


    Let's see if it's actually possible to read into that.

    So the president went from mentioning the states to mentioning communities to noting "a...debate....worked out at the local level..."

    Well, where could that local level be but in the minds of the people who are debating the issue.

    And where is that often worked out? In the courts. Sooner or later we're gonna win this thing, with or without your help.


    Why read into it, when you can listen to my President say it himself: He believes gay marriage should be left up to each state to decide. Have you not heard him say this?



    Oh you're funny.

    Whether reading in or listening in, where does he advocate that marriage for gay people should be a state issue? He does not. He doesn't even say it's not a federal issue; he says historically it has not been a federal issue. He said its a local issue. You and I are local. Whenever he says states, he simply describes what's going on in the states at the time. That's not advocacy. That's just reporting the news. We're democrats. We're not on your side. Wake up.

    I can tell by how rude you can be to some posters that you don't speak diplomat, do you? He's being diplomatic. I sure hate to be rude but I'm not in politics so lemme translate for you: Your president is telling the republican states to go fuck themselves.
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    Jan 24, 2013 7:23 AM GMT
    Does False Equivalency Troll think we're stupid?

    I remember when my brother broke a vase by throwing it at me. I neatly dodged, and it smashed on the ground. When he got his ass beat by my mother, his defense was, "But he didn't catch it!" He was being a fuck, and his stupid defense had no effect on our too-smart mother.

    Your Republican lawmakers are a bunch of fucks. Make that Fucks, with a capital F. When your best retort is, Mr Obama is sort of vague on being mildly supportive of gay rights, YOU sound like a fuck.

    What is the Republican stance on gay rights, as per their party platform? Personal responsibility party my ass.