Smoking kills 90,000 people in England each year

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    Sep 27, 2008 7:17 AM GMT
    I was watching the BBC News this morning and this is how many people just in England die from smoking-related diseases each year.

    The health authorities want to bring in a number of new advertising campaigns - one showing all the gory effects from smoking and the Government is also thinking about introducing plain packaging for the cigarette packs. This will mean that smokers won't be able to distinguish between the premium brands and the own-brands.

    I was reading the other day that Australia is thinking of bringing in a licensing system for people who smoke, ie, you'll need to buy a licence before you smoke. You may scoff but here in the UK you are not allowed to smoke in any enclosed space except your own home so this idea may not be as far-fetched as you think.

    I'm an ex-smoker, had a 20-30 day habit in my 20s and used Allen Carr's Easyway to stop smoking and, now, I work for the BMJ and one of my journals is called Tobacco Control which aims to highlight the lengths tobacco companies go to ensnare young people in smoking tobacco.
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    Sep 27, 2008 7:52 AM GMT
    I myself have worked in Hospitals/mental institutions, as a rehab attendant/physical therapy, and I must say working in the cardio/pulmonary dept, was probably one of the most traumatizing experiences in my life...the amount of people who had smoking related diseases, lung, mouth, throat, cancer, emphesyma....people who were gasping for breath, on resperators, amputated jaws, toungues.....trachiotomies etc....I hate to use scare tactics but I personally feel that it should be a requirement for schools to have electives where they have to volunteer at hospitals...esp this dept, or have concerned parents take their kids on a personal tour...give them some non glamourous visuals/images of the brutality, and horrors/dangers of SMOKINGicon_exclaim.gificon_exclaim.gificon_twisted.gif
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    Sep 27, 2008 9:21 AM GMT
    Hi Red, did they bring an ex-smoker's diseased lung into school (well, he had no use for it any longericon_smile.gif ) when you were younger? It didn't seem to stop many kids at mine, not sure if having similar pictures will stop them starting.
    On the other hand, it'll make it easier to fine shops over imported , picture free, non duty paid, packs. Or am I just being cynical icon_biggrin.gif
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    Sep 27, 2008 3:49 PM GMT
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    Sep 27, 2008 3:53 PM GMT
    JHargraves said1 in 10 ends up with cancer...I'll take my risks with what I'm dealing with at the moment! icon_twisted.gif

    My dad died of lung cancer from smoking.

    He fell one day at home and my mom thought he had broken a rib because of the lump on his side. When he went into the ER, the x-ray showed his lungs totally white with cancer. That lump on his side was a tumor that had grown out from his lung and thru the wall of the thorax. There was no rib there, btw. The tumor had consumed it. He lasted 2 weeks and a day after that diagnosis. I was the last person he spoke to.

    My dad had been to the dr's a year before and his lungs were totally clean then.
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    Sep 28, 2008 9:29 AM GMT
    My grandfather died of lungcancer as well....I saw him die..gasping for air..drowning in his own fluids, due to a collapsed lung...not a very pretty sight at all, its one of those images that I will never be able to get out of my headicon_cry.gif
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    Sep 28, 2008 11:13 AM GMT
    People understand the risk smoking can cause themselves and people around them. I can not feel pity for anyone that gets sick or dies from cancer anymore. I made this decision from a close cousin that passed from a cancer she couldnt control (not smoking related). She passed away and it was rough on me. Less than a year later my aunt laid dying in a hospital of lung cancer. She was still asking someone to sneak her in a cigarrette. I refused to shed one tear at her funeral....sad she was gone...but didnt shed one tear.
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    Sep 28, 2008 11:16 AM GMT
    Oh well keeps the population down so more room for immigrants I guess/
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    May 27, 2010 11:07 AM GMT

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    May 27, 2010 12:02 PM GMT
    You know people die every day regardless, if they smoke or not! Think of all thos people who never drink, or smoke, or eat take away foods, then one day they get hit by a big red bus, and as that wheel is about to grind into them they must think, I could of gotten drunk last night, or gees I wish I had the time for a smoke right now....... Even people who don't smoke die of cancer, or just young too. We all die no matter what.

    Sex kills too. How many non smokers are going to give up sex?
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    May 28, 2010 6:44 AM GMT
    Pattison saidYou know people die every day regardless, if they smoke or not! Think of all thos people who never drink, or smoke, or eat take away foods, then one day they get hit by a big red bus, and as that wheel is about to grind into them they must think, I could of gotten drunk last night, or gees I wish I had the time for a smoke right now....... Even people who don't smoke die of cancer, or just young too. We all die no matter what.


    You're such a fucking idiot. I hope you realize that. No, you don't, because you're an idiot.
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    May 28, 2010 6:50 AM GMT
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    Pattison saidYou know people die every day regardless, if they smoke or not! Think of all thos people who never drink, or smoke, or eat take away foods, then one day they get hit by a big red bus, and as that wheel is about to grind into them they must think, I could of gotten drunk last night, or gees I wish I had the time for a smoke right now....... Even people who don't smoke die of cancer, or just young too. We all die no matter what.


    You're such a fucking idiot. I hope you realize that. No, you don't, because you're an idiot.


    Yadda, yadda, yadda, now go look at yourself sunshine what do you see superficial? Sunshine one is only able to please one person a day, today is not your day and tomorrow is not looking good either.

    Remember sex kills too.
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    May 28, 2010 6:59 AM GMT
    I think I just quit smoking.


    No, just kidding icon_smile.gif
    I smoke from time to time... sometimes I don't light up for months, sometimes I smoke like crazy. Truth is I reall like it and I probably won't quit anytime soon... right now I am not smoking because I am trying to cut back on my expenses. Otherwise I would probably be having a cigarette instead of writing here icon_smile.gif))
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    May 28, 2010 7:04 AM GMT
    fulldelight saidI think I just quit smoking.


    No, just kidding icon_smile.gif


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    May 28, 2010 9:06 AM GMT
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    Pattison saidYou know people die every day regardless, if they smoke or not! Think of all thos people who never drink, or smoke, or eat take away foods, then one day they get hit by a big red bus, and as that wheel is about to grind into them they must think, I could of gotten drunk last night, or gees I wish I had the time for a smoke right now....... Even people who don't smoke die of cancer, or just young too. We all die no matter what.


    You're such a fucking idiot. I hope you realize that. No, you don't, because you're an idiot.


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    May 28, 2010 10:25 AM GMT
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    JakeBenson said
    Pattison saidYou know people die every day regardless, if they smoke or not! Think of all thos people who never drink, or smoke, or eat take away foods, then one day they get hit by a big red bus, and as that wheel is about to grind into them they must think, I could of gotten drunk last night, or gees I wish I had the time for a smoke right now....... Even people who don't smoke die of cancer, or just young too. We all die no matter what.


    You're such a fucking idiot. I hope you realize that. No, you don't, because you're an idiot.


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    If it helps you deal with your issues of hate, then that pleases one.icon_wink.gif

    But remember sex too kills, now what would be not only the figure this year but since 1980?
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    May 28, 2010 10:37 AM GMT
    Pattison said
    reppaT said
    JakeBenson said
    Pattison saidYou know people die every day regardless, if they smoke or not! Think of all thos people who never drink, or smoke, or eat take away foods, then one day they get hit by a big red bus, and as that wheel is about to grind into them they must think, I could of gotten drunk last night, or gees I wish I had the time for a smoke right now....... Even people who don't smoke die of cancer, or just young too. We all die no matter what.


    You're such a fucking idiot. I hope you realize that. No, you don't, because you're an idiot.


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    If it helps you deal with your issues of hate, then that pleases one.icon_wink.gif

    But remember sex too kills, now what would be not only the figure this year but since 1980?


    That please "one"..? oh my GOD why are you speaking 15th century English?

    I bet you'd be the best Debbie Downer as a doctor. I can see you saying, "Well Patient X you do have cancer but don't worry you were going to die of something anyway. Especially because you're gay and you know...like aids n shit"

    Seriously though I think you could have a career doing what these guys do in this video...icon_lol.gif


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    May 28, 2010 10:40 AM GMT
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    Yadda, yadda, yadda, now go look at yourself sunshine what do you see superficial? Sunshine one is only able to please one person a day, today is not your day and tomorrow is not looking good either.

    Remember sex kills too.


    Well I don't see myself, I see you thinking that there's no reason to care that smoking kills. I'm sure if neo Nazis went on a rampage killing Jews you'd be like, "oh well we'll all die of something someday."

    Yes sex kills too. But you can find the right person to have sex with and live. You can't find the right cigarette. They all have carcinogens. Furthermore, there's no such thing as second-hand sex unless someone cums on you while they're having sex with someone else.

    Anyway, your lack of interest in preventing death by generalizing that we all die therefore no big deal pretty much just makes you a waste of space.
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    May 28, 2010 11:43 AM GMT
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    Yadda, yadda, yadda, now go look at yourself sunshine what do you see superficial? Sunshine one is only able to please one person a day, today is not your day and tomorrow is not looking good either.

    Remember sex kills too.


    Well I don't see myself, I see you thinking that there's no reason to care that smoking kills. I'm sure if neo Nazis went on a rampage killing Jews you'd be like, "oh well we'll all die of something someday."

    Yes sex kills too. But you can find the right person to have sex with and live. You can't find the right cigarette. They all have carcinogens. Furthermore, there's no such thing as second-hand sex unless someone cums on you while they're having sex with someone else.

    Anyway, your lack of interest in preventing death by generalizing that we all die therefore no big deal pretty much just makes you a waste of space.


    Diddums there a big diffrence to people making a choice to lite up and suck on a fag, all the way to it's butt, than People killing each other. One is legal the other is not. Also like in my country all the extra taxers the smokes contribute to this county that non smokers benifit from. So while smoking is legal and non smokers benifit from all the taxers those smokers contribute, as fare as I'm concerned it's nothing but whining to say smoking kills ; yet sex kills even non smokers tooicon_wink.gif

    Look at all the people who make all the seemly right lifestyle choices and they die of cancer anyways, or the get run over by a big red bus on their way to the gym, or they have a stroke at the gym.

    Look at how Americanism is polluting the world with all it's fast food outlets, is killing people every year too, it's even effecting young children with obesity, and diabetes. But as this has been talked about here before and others have said: 'but it's their choice to buy it, and smokers have the same choice too.

    I don't support murder, but I do support the right to die; and sex kills too. yes people can think they have made the right choice, until they find out that person deceived them, and then it's to late; sex kills too.
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    May 28, 2010 11:57 AM GMT
    Pattison said
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    Pattison said
    Yadda, yadda, yadda, now go look at yourself sunshine what do you see superficial? Sunshine one is only able to please one person a day, today is not your day and tomorrow is not looking good either.

    Remember sex kills too.


    Well I don't see myself, I see you thinking that there's no reason to care that smoking kills. I'm sure if neo Nazis went on a rampage killing Jews you'd be like, "oh well we'll all die of something someday."

    Yes sex kills too. But you can find the right person to have sex with and live. You can't find the right cigarette. They all have carcinogens. Furthermore, there's no such thing as second-hand sex unless someone cums on you while they're having sex with someone else.

    Anyway, your lack of interest in preventing death by generalizing that we all die therefore no big deal pretty much just makes you a waste of space.


    Diddums there a big diffrence to people making a choice to lite up and suck on a fag, all the way to it's butt, than People killing each other. One is legal the other is not. Also like in my country all the extra taxers the smokes contribute to this county that non smokers benifit from.

    Look at how Americanizem polutting the world with all it's fast food outlets, is killing people evey year too, it's even effecting young children with obesaty, and diabets. But as this has been talked about here before and others have said: 'but it's their choice to buy it, and smokers have the same choice too.

    I don't suport murder, but I do suport the right to die. And sex kills too. yes people can think they have made the right choice, until they find out that person decived them, and then it's to late; sex kills too.


    Dude I totally agree with you on the fast food. That shit is HORRIBLE. But that does NOT justify smoking. Keep to the topic of the conversation. What your problem is, and what you clearly don't understand, is that the purpose of this thread is that SMOKING KILLS. Not "people die anyway." Not "US is killing with fast food." Not "yeah but sex kills too." How the FUCK does that justify smoking?

    Seriously you're like that old person in college that raises their hand every 15 seconds to say something irrelevant, annoying the whole class keeping them from learning. Sex does not kill to the same degree smoking does. Sex carries a risk if you do not know about the other person's status. However you know what the status of a cigarette is ALWAYS carcinogenic. It doesn't "sometimes" carry something harmful to you. It always does. Huge difference.

    So why are you talking about other ways people die? Yes everyone dies! Do you think you are the first human being ever to figure this out? This isn't the topic. The topic is smoking kills. Citing other ways people die does not making smoking safer.

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    May 28, 2010 12:11 PM GMT
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    May 28, 2010 12:12 PM GMT
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    May 28, 2010 12:50 PM GMT
    The Onion video shows more of an understanding of the causes of smoking than the British government ever has.

    Smokers are not unaware of the risks of smoking. Surveys show that smokers tend to overestimate the risks of smoking. The problem is that they don't care.

    People are often attracted to smoking at a young age for cultural reasons - historically for the associations with high class and for social conformity, but these days it's (ironically) more to do with the idea of rebellion. The more that authority figures (which is to say, parents, schools, and governments) tell children it's Bad To Smoke, the more they will be tempted to go out and try it. This is reflected by the fact that, as anti-smoking campaigns have been introduced in the UK, the number of smokers has actually risen.

    What warnings can do is prompt people who are already addicted to try and stop. But I'm not convinced that's the most effective way of fighting the problem of tobacco smoking. There is overwhelming evidence to prove that smoking is bad for your health. It's not a difficult message to get across. There must be some way of making people admit it rationally without trying to shock them or hold their hands with obnoxious warning signs.
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    May 28, 2010 1:05 PM GMT
    Guess they haven't gotten the memo yet..same with Americans
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    May 28, 2010 8:46 PM GMT
    Madone65 saidGuess they haven't gotten the memo yet..same with Americans


    Yeah tell that to the assholes in your town who think it's cool to smoke inside clubs despite the ban. I've complained about that and the lethargic employees are like, "there's so much crime going on and you're complaining about that?" If I ever move to NYC I'm gonna become a cop and ticket the shit out of smokers breaking the law.

    On a similar note I was in a club once in LA and Britney fucking Spears and her dumb friends came inside smoking cigarettes. I was so fucking pissed. I have no respect for that cunt.