Article about BMI and body image.

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    Jan 24, 2013 8:55 AM GMT
    I was reading a couple of articles and from what I've read it sounds like some ideas I've had about the correlation between weight and health are true.
    I have mentioned before that not everybody who is overweight is unhealthy, though I'm sure some people on here (coughyourname2000cough) like to think that they're a better person because they exercise more than some other people do.
    In the article, the author writes "Getting just 30 minutes of daily exercise most days of the week, and eating a plant-inclusive, minimally processed diet will confer more benefit to folks at any weight than any medication ever could." This implies that if you're exercising and eating right you don't have to be a gym rat and have a "perfect" body to be healthy, but it seems like some people are under the impression that you have to be physically flawless or else you're going to have health problems, which just isn't true.

    http://health.usnews.com/health-news/blogs/eat-run/2012/09/12/forget-bmi-do-you-know-your-best-weight

    ArticleIf you truly want to improve your health, don't aim for perfection. Aim for what I like to call your "best weight." Never forget that your personal best, even when it comes to weight, is always great. Don't let anyone, any chart or any doctor, ever tell you differently.



    So basically what I'm wondering is why some guys are so obsessed with hitting the gym. Actually, I'd just like to hear you admit that you're vain because that's what it seems like. icon_smile.gif
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    Jan 24, 2013 4:03 PM GMT
    I do it because I enjoy it...and it makes me look and feel better.

    I've answered your question, so please answer mine. Why do feel it's acceptable to be so judgmental? You do realize that there's a difference between being blunt and just being an asshole, right?
  • jmtodd28

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    Jan 24, 2013 4:16 PM GMT
    redsoxfan791 saidI do it because I enjoy it...and it makes me look and feel better.

    I've answered your question, so please answer mine. Why do feel it's acceptable to be so judgmental? You do realize that there's a difference between being blunt and just being an asshole, right?


    Great answer and better question.
  • Destinharbor

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    Jan 24, 2013 4:21 PM GMT
    redsoxfan791 saidI do it because I enjoy it...and it makes me look and feel better.

    I've answered your question, so please answer mine. Why do feel it's acceptable to be so judgmental? You do realize that there's a difference between being blunt and just being an asshole, right?


    Nicely said. What a dip-shit McQueen is to come on here and be a dick about guys who enjoy being something above average (at least in effort). He needs to find a Race to the Bottom site to spend time in.
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    Jan 24, 2013 4:28 PM GMT
    If working towards an above average physique when an average one will do is vain, then so is wearing above average clothes when average ones will perfectly serve the purpose of clothes.

    Getting results in your physique to look above average is entirely upto the individual. Someone else cannot workout and eat right and another person gets the benefit. It does not work that way. But buying fancy, above average clothes or stuff? Any mutt can do that.

    The question is: do you want to look basic or above average?
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    Jan 24, 2013 4:29 PM GMT
    I like to work out and do sports but I kind of agree with McQueen on this point.
    There are many ways to be healthy (in the body and in the head). Some people don't work out, but they enjoy life and eat good food. They are in perfect health and are very happy, even if they have a bit more fat than average.
    Compare it with some guys breaking their articulations by lifting too heavy stuffs and fucking their body up with steroids (a minority of guys in the gym I think though).
    And BMI, just like IQ, are just numbers without a real objective meaning.
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    Jan 24, 2013 4:32 PM GMT
    I go because I just like working out. Sure, there are the health benefits, but the act of lifting is an enjoyable experience and hobby to me, akin to some people who enjoy photography, gardening, biking, fashion, or any other activity. I get a rush from it and it relieves stress, just like any other hobby for people.

    The "obsession" you speak of can be different things to different guys. Yes, some strive for the perfect body, though most do it for themselves because they want to reach a goal, and less because they want to impress others. The "obsession" for others could just be something like me, a hobby that they love. And fine, there are those who do it for vanity. If that is the case, why does it matter? Plenty of people do things purely out of vanity (clothes they buy, accessories, home decor, etc.). So why is it such a bad thing if a persons' particular vanity is what their body looks like?

    Live and let live.



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    Jan 24, 2013 4:37 PM GMT
    the Y has a new campaign called "How do you get your 30?"

    I get my 30 in the gym building muscles to make me stronger. That plus my diet makes me feel great.I physically feel better and who doesn't want to feel better. I could get my 30 doing something less tedious but still within the guidelines of the "30" but the results would be lackluster in regards to my goals. Sure, I would be healthy but I wouldn't be as solid as I am now. But for guys who don't want a 43"+ chest , or 15"+ arms, by all means... go play kickball with some kids (an example of how someone can get their 30 according to the Y).

    and yes, I am vain... have you not seem my pics? are you happy now ;)



    ps. Vanity comes in many forms some of which have nothing to do with gym bodies (cough cough)
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    Jan 24, 2013 4:40 PM GMT
    McQueen said


    So basically what I'm wondering is why some guys are so obsessed with hitting the gym. Actually, I'd just like to hear you admit that you're vain because that's what it seems like. icon_smile.gif


    Yes, I'm vain. I am responsible for this body and as far as I know, i'ts the only one I get this life. I've trashed it for years with smokes, bad food, drugs and drink. Now, I want to know what it feels like to be healthy, strong, fit and active. Someone here on RJ also mentioned "be the man you want to attract". I want muscles, so I better grow some.

    "Getting just 30 minutes of daily exercise most days of the week, and eating a plant-inclusive, minimally processed diet will confer more benefit to folks at any weight than any medication ever could."
    I love this...sound advice.

    Snark aside: Due to the feeling of well being excercise and diet changes have brought about in my life; I totally get the tendancy for excess. I feel good...no...great! And of course, I want more! It does not make me better that I have lost fat and gained muscle definition, except in my own perception. I see my physical form as a canvas now, upon which I can express whatever I chose. Consequently I see others the same way, and appreciate the efforts they go to in expressing their own art. As far as overweight being unhealthy; I think that's relative to the individual. A little fat is not a bad thing. "Personal Best" is a pretty cool way of seeing things too. No comparisons or judgements there. Cool little article, thanks! icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jan 24, 2013 4:47 PM GMT
    Overall, I don't like this article. It's written from the assumption that people all know how to eat healthy, whole foods, non-processed, mostly plant based diets. The problem is they do not.

    I also don't think you can attack the obsessive muscle boys because on the whole they do know how to eat, even if its not particularly healthy at times. There are plenty of guys who kill it in the gym, have very healthy and strict diets.

    And then in the second half, the author attacks fat people because their physician tells them they are overweight. Then in a wonderful bout of irony wraps up by saying if you're happy eating, you're going to continue to eat. Every fat person knows this. Food triggers a neurochemical response of pleasure.

    It's a nice idea that everyone can just be subjective about their "ideal" bodyweight, and know how to eat healthy (also subjective) but the reality is that a significant reason people are so unhealthy and overweight is because they have no idea how to be healthy, in any sense of the word.



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    Jan 24, 2013 4:54 PM GMT
    I think someone only cared about the article because it falsly validated his attack on the gym faithful as narcissists. icon_neutral.gif
  • prime02

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    Jan 24, 2013 4:59 PM GMT
    redsoxfan791 saidI do it because I enjoy it...and it makes me look and feel better.

    I've answered your question, so please answer mine. Why do feel it's acceptable to be so judgmental? You do realize that there's a difference between being blunt and just being an asshole, right?


    Great response and all on point. The site name is real "jock" as in a reference to sports and athleticism. If you wonder why guys on this site value bigger, athletic body types... then you're on the wrong site.
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    Jan 24, 2013 5:02 PM GMT
    Speaking for myself, Once I got into a consistent habit of working out, I did feel better physically, emotionally...and I watched my body improve, getting all the bumps and grooves, like a hot italian sports car. I would look at myself and say "who the hell is that?" It put me in pervy eyeshot of some beauties, as well. It was flattering when they gave some attention too. My mood and...other parts...rose to the occasion. icon_eek.gif

    After a number of times when I stopped working out, I plummeted. Feeling crappy, getting depressed, poor self image. The crashes made me wake up to the importance of consistency.

    I've been in a place where I felt "less than" at the gym, because I didn't look like Ahnold, or a Men's Fitness model. We're all on our own journey with different priorities. I try not to judge. Hell, I'll admit to being perplexed with some overweight peeps, sitting at a machine lifting a 20 pound plate, acting like their about to have a stroke. icon_confused.gif One overweight lady in a session with a personal trainer would have to dart over to a trashcan and dry heave. icon_eek.gif

    I also learned the difference to external and INTERNAL body fat. Internal is much more unhealthy than external.
  • HottJoe

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    Jan 24, 2013 5:20 PM GMT
    30 minutes a day of resistance circuit training with me would get anyone ripped....

    But to answer the OP's question, I do it because I want to have as much sex with my bf as possible, and one must never underestimate the importance of body language.icon_twisted.gif
  • MikeW

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    Jan 24, 2013 5:34 PM GMT
    Bharat13 said
    McQueen said


    So basically what I'm wondering is why some guys are so obsessed with hitting the gym. Actually, I'd just like to hear you admit that you're vain because that's what it seems like. icon_smile.gif


    Yes, I'm vain. I am responsible for this body and as far as I know, i'ts the only one I get this life. I've trashed it for years with smokes, bad food, drugs and drink. Now, I want to know what it feels like to be healthy, strong, fit and active. Someone here on RJ also mentioned "be the man you want to attract". I want muscles, so I better grow some.

    "Getting just 30 minutes of daily exercise most days of the week, and eating a plant-inclusive, minimally processed diet will confer more benefit to folks at any weight than any medication ever could."
    I love this...sound advice.

    Snark aside: Due to the feeling of well being excercise and diet changes have brought about in my life; I totally get the tendancy for excess. I feel good...no...great! And of course, I want more! It does not make me better that I have lost fat and gained muscle definition, except in my own perception. I see my physical form as a canvas now, upon which I can express whatever I chose. Consequently I see others the same way, and appreciate the efforts they go to in expressing their own art. As far as overweight being unhealthy; I think that's relative to the individual. A little fat is not a bad thing. "Personal Best" is a pretty cool way of seeing things too. No comparisons or judgements there. Cool little article, thanks! icon_biggrin.gif

    I couldn't have said this better. I haven't been at all "athletic" my whole life and what I have been is damn near self abusive. Now that I'm eating better, losing fat, gaining muscle, etc., I feel much better physically and psychologically. Yes, there is an element of vanity in it. SO? I know that at my age I'm never going to be a beautiful physical specimen like many, many of you RJ gods who are younger and more athletic or have been doing it longer than I. But who cares? I'm doing it because I enjoy it. And I *truly* appreciate all the wonderful guys here who work out and strive to make their bodies sculptural works of art. It is motivation and inspiration, not to mention sexy as hell! icon_razz.gif
  • FredMG

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    Jan 24, 2013 5:49 PM GMT
    This is a great article - my favorite take home points:

    "If you can't happily eat less, you won't"

    "If you can't happily exercise more, you won't".

    I also like how he admits that (in general) Doctors push the one-size fits all solution of BMI & health on people without actually looking at the data. I've "suffered" from this narrow paradigm on and off - and it's not just doctors, it's nutritionists, and fitness trainers (again, in general). The take one look at someone like me and make assumptions and then dictate based on those assumptions. It destroys your self worth, and makes you not want to even try.

    But, OP, to address your question, some of us benefit from more than 30 minutes at the gym. Some people, god bless them, forge their bodies to a standard of muscular beauty because, it makes them happy.

    You don't have understand why having big muscles, or maybe just the quest to be healthier makes someone happy, you just have to accept that working out for an hour, a 60 mile bike ride, completing a tough mudder or a marathon makes some of us happy. Like something you do, that we probably don't understand, makes you happy.
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    Jan 24, 2013 5:54 PM GMT
    Oh you caught me...

    I'm vain

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvgUdrzGNys
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    Jan 24, 2013 6:02 PM GMT
    McQueen said

    So basically what I'm wondering is why some guys are so obsessed with hitting the gym. Actually, I'd just like to hear you admit that you're vain because that's what it seems like.


    I'm "obsessed" with it because it's a positive addiction. It provides me endorphins that make me feel good. It is more productive than sitting on my ass and watching 4.5 hours of television a day like many Americans.

    It's more productive than sitting on a forum on an internet message board and bitchily judging guys who like to exercise.

    I do it because, GOD FORBID, I enjoy it. I'm "obsessed with hitting the gym" because working towards goals and achieving them in measurable, clear ways is a fulfilling way to go through life.

    I enjoy it because discovering, understanding, and learning about my own body, how it works, how it responds to different things, etc is a liberating, and almost spiritual experience.

    I am obsessed with it because it is HARD FUCKING WORK and I enjoy a challenge.

    If all of that makes me vain, then so be it.
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    Jan 24, 2013 7:23 PM GMT
    This is RealJock. Your audience here is categorically made up of guys who are very active and prioritize being more fit and muscular than the average guy. That's kind of the whole point of this site, isnt it? You're obviously not in that camp (which is fine), but why come on here and call us vain? If you aren't athletic yourself, and have such contempt for our "vanity," why are you here? I'm sure the boys at averageshapelessbody.com would enjoy this article.
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    Jan 24, 2013 7:30 PM GMT
    Also, I promise you the 23 guys in your spank bank, I mean hot list, have an above-average level of obsession with gym time. I don't see any average boys there. Soooo...I think you may already know the answer to your question!
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    Jan 24, 2013 7:43 PM GMT
    McQueen said
    So basically what I'm wondering is why some guys are so obsessed with hitting the gym. Actually, I'd just like to hear you admit that you're vain because that's what it seems like. icon_smile.gif


    Yes, because weightlifting isn't a sport or about challenging yourself or excelling. It can only be about trying to look appealing because that's why some people do it.
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    Jan 24, 2013 7:47 PM GMT
    McQueen saidI was reading a couple of articles and from what I've read it sounds like some ideas I've had about the correlation between weight and health are true.
    I have mentioned before that not everybody who is overweight is unhealthy, though I'm sure some people on here (coughyourname2000cough) like to think that they're a better person because they exercise more than some other people do.
    In the article, the author writes "Getting just 30 minutes of daily exercise most days of the week, and eating a plant-inclusive, minimally processed diet will confer more benefit to folks at any weight than any medication ever could." This implies that if you're exercising and eating right you don't have to be a gym rat and have a "perfect" body to be healthy, but it seems like some people are under the impression that you have to be physically flawless or else you're going to have health problems, which just isn't true.

    http://health.usnews.com/health-news/blogs/eat-run/2012/09/12/forget-bmi-do-you-know-your-best-weight

    ArticleIf you truly want to improve your health, don't aim for perfection. Aim for what I like to call your "best weight." Never forget that your personal best, even when it comes to weight, is always great. Don't let anyone, any chart or any doctor, ever tell you differently.



    So basically what I'm wondering is why some guys are so obsessed with hitting the gym. Actually, I'd just like to hear you admit that you're vain because that's what it seems like. icon_smile.gif


    some people are under the impression that you have to be physically flawless, why some guys are so obsessed with hitting the gym.


    its a GAY guy thingicon_eek.gif
  • OptimusMatt

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    Jan 24, 2013 7:59 PM GMT
    It makes me feel good - I run 5 km every day m-f and each time I get a certain amount of pleasure at being able to do it.

    Yup, I'm vain - I exercise a lot, I shop on the outside ring of the grocery store, and I dress to impress.

    But so are you - you go on about fashion like its the best thing since sliced bread, and while I disliked a lot of pics you posted (c'mon, one giant plaid dot in the middle of a shapeless billowy button-down?!? Seriously?) some of your postings I actually quite liked.

    We all express our vanity in different ways - you have your fashion, I have my gym. Trying to shit on gym bunnies as vain twats when you're just as culpable (in your own way) is really trite and demonstrates an incredible lack of awareness and analytical ability - but you'll fit right in with the rest of the Toronto scene queens so whatevs.
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    Jan 24, 2013 8:29 PM GMT
    I liked reading this threat. A lot of rational, sane and good responses for once despite the Op wanting obsessed gym guys to admit being vain. Ok here it is... guys who obsessively workout obviously either are just stuck in the habit or have a goal, and every right to that goal. I personally go to keep a good heart rate, avoid turning into a couch potatoe, to stay fit and avoid the doctor visits. I don't work out obsessively but I congratulate any guy who has the will power to do that. As for being vain, well if a guy thinks his looks are everything and his priorities are all about physically over reaching goals, or extreme above average goals, well maybe that kind of guy could be a little vain. But I don't think it stands for all. I think guys who use to be over wieght then got really fit, tend to be less vain, less cynical and more friendly.
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    Jan 24, 2013 8:41 PM GMT
    McQueen said
    So basically what I'm wondering is why some guys are so obsessed with hitting the gym. Actually, I'd just like to hear you admit that you're vain because that's what it seems like. icon_smile.gif


    You're on a website called "Realjock" that is about "Gay fitness, health, and life" and you are wondering why guys on here seem obsessed with hitting the gym?

    Please tell me you are just trolling, because it pains me to think that someone would need to explain this concept to you.