THE PALIN WOMAN: Fade Out, Absent During Debate

  • HndsmKansan

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    Sep 27, 2008 1:11 PM GMT
    I find it so interesting that the Palin woman "effect" seems to be fading out.
    Last night, Obama mentioned Biden several times and Biden commented immediately after the debate was over. I remember McCain mentioning her once during the debate (only). Nothing from Palin... some commentators talked about that this morning. The McCain campaign seems to want her under wraps

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    Share Print CommentsJack Cafferty unloaded on Sarah Palin's "disastrous" interview with Katie Couric Friday afternoon on CNN, telling Wolf Blitzer, "There's a reason the McCain campaign keeps Governor Palin away from the press."

    After showing a clip of Palin stumbling over Couric's question about the bailout and offering an answer connecting the bailout to healthcare, Cafferty asked, "Did you get that?"

    He warned the viewers: "If John McCain wins this woman will be one 72-year-old's heartbeat away from being President of the United States. And if that doesn't scare the hell out of you, it should."
    ter her 3 interviews with the mainstream media...
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    Sep 27, 2008 2:44 PM GMT
    The McCain campaign knows she's likely to melt-down under the kind of media questioning and close scrutiny typical of a Presidential race. She was meant to be a Barbie-doll cheerleader for the religious & conservative Right, so they'll continue to display her at friendly rallies, and at limited appearances in relatively safe interview formats. Look, but don't touch.

    She doesn't have the federal government experience, she doesn't know the issues, and she doesn't know the facts. What else can they do with her? She isn't a Vice-Presidential candidate -- she's the Republican Party mascot.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Sep 27, 2008 3:07 PM GMT
    Perhaps it is some sort of strategy...set it up so expectations are really low going in, then during V.P. debates she blows everyone away
  • HndsmKansan

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    Sep 27, 2008 3:09 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidPerhaps it is some sort of strategy...set it up so expectations are really low going in, then during V.P. debates she blows everyone away



    I doubt if thats possible Todd... I think everyone is going to be shocked
    at the difference, I think everyone will be "blown away" at the disparity...
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    Sep 27, 2008 3:10 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidPerhaps it is some sort of strategy...set it up so expectations are really low going in, then during V.P. debates she blows everyone away


    Not likely.
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    Sep 27, 2008 3:13 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidPerhaps it is some sort of strategy...set it up so expectations are really low going in, then during V.P. debates she blows everyone away


    I think her only chance for a positive reception is if she blows everyone there, period. Go, Sarah!
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    Sep 27, 2008 3:19 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan said
    I doubt if thats possible Todd... I think everyone is going to be shocked
    at the difference, I think everyone will be "blown away" at the disparity...


    My fear is that Biden will go too far in annihilating her, causing a sympathy backlash for her. Alternatively, the Biden camp, fearing just that, might hold back too much.

    Biden needs to strike the delicate balance of demonstrating her incompetence, without coming across as a male bully, or as a condescending know-it-all. A tough job for him, since he often comes across as being just that in the Senate.
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    Sep 27, 2008 4:52 PM GMT
    It's not going to be a real debate is it? I thought they were just going to read prepared statements.
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    Sep 27, 2008 4:54 PM GMT
    Red_Vespa said
    HndsmKansan said
    I doubt if thats possible Todd... I think everyone is going to be shocked
    at the difference, I think everyone will be "blown away" at the disparity...


    My fear is that Biden will go too far in annihilating her, causing a sympathy backlash for her. Alternatively, the Biden camp, fearing just that, might hold back too much.

    Biden needs to strike the delicate balance of demonstrating her incompetence, without coming across as a male bully, or as a condescending know-it-all. A tough job for him, since he often comes across as being just that in the Senate.



    I think he does need annihilate her. If she can't handle Biden, then how the hell is she suppose to handle being VP??
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Sep 27, 2008 4:57 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan said
    CuriousJockAZ saidPerhaps it is some sort of strategy...set it up so expectations are really low going in, then during V.P. debates she blows everyone away



    I doubt if thats possible Todd... I think everyone is going to be shocked
    at the difference, I think everyone will be "blown away" at the disparity...



    I dunno, I think this is a woman that should not be underestimated. Also, I tend to think that Karl Rove is probably behind the scenes helping with strategy, and that Governor Palin will have her moments in the debate where she shines. If she can come out of it without any huge gaffes, and remain endearing to those who already like her, then she should be fine. At the very least, it will make for some interesting TV, and probably the most watched debate -- EVER!
  • Hagan_F

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    Sep 27, 2008 5:07 PM GMT
    I would never personally disrespect someone who is currently an elected governor and a candidate for one of the major parties VP by referring to her at "the Palin woman", I don't care how much I disagreed or disliked her politics.
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    Sep 27, 2008 5:22 PM GMT
    That governor Palin has not been more visible has to make one wonder. She burst on the scene as star, and wowed people with her vice-presidential nomination speech. You would have thought by now that she would have been on just about every TV station and talked to just about every reporter -- they'd be happy to talk to her!

    And remember people like her, and want to hear from, and think of her a someone fresh and interesting. That she hasn't been everywhere makes one wonder what is wrong -- there's got to be something to loose in not having here everywhere and talking to everyone. The best thing McCain couuld do would be to have here everywhere and talking to everyone, unless, unless there's something wrong there, and that she can't handle herself or come out with stuff that makes sense. Certainly the Katie Couric interview was hardly coherent at times.

    We'll see how she does at the debate, but after her bursting on the scene and having adoring crowds chant 'Sarah, Sarah', to not have here everywhere, talking to everyone seems to speak volumes.
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    Sep 27, 2008 5:26 PM GMT
    mindgarden saidIt's not going to be a real debate is it? I thought they were just going to read prepared statements.


    No, there will be questions from a moderator. But the McCain camp got the debate commission to create a very limited format that doesn't allow a true debate between the candidates.

    Oddly, the Obama & Biden people didn't object; in fact, they didn't even participate in the negotiations, from what I read. It was all the Republicans.

    Perhaps the Dems feel Palin will still come across badly. But all (and I mean ALL) the online comments I'm reading from ordinary people on news webs are highly critical of this format.

    "Will Putin and other world leaders agree to watered-down and carefully controlled exchanges, should Palin ever need to negotiate with them?" is the common thread running through them. The Repubs only succeed in making their VP candidate look worse & worse.
  • coolarmydude

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    Sep 27, 2008 5:36 PM GMT

    HaHA! Palin still manages to screw up formatted interviews with rehearsed buzz lines and catch phrases. She reminds me of a pull-string doll or a magic 8 ball.
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    Sep 27, 2008 5:53 PM GMT
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    HaHA! Palin still manages to screw up formatted interviews with rehearsed buzz lines and catch phrases. She reminds me of a pull-string doll or a magic 8 ball.


    I'm waiting for SNL or some other comedy program to do a satire of Palin as Roxy Hart from the film "Chicago." Specifically, the scene where her answers to reporters are so bad that her attorney, played by Richard Gere, turns her into a ventriloquist's dummy that he can control. (doing the number "We Both Reached For The Gun"). Of course, the reporters themselves also become dummies mouthing Gere's words, another fitting image for today's gutless press.
  • Squarejaw

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    Sep 27, 2008 6:07 PM GMT
    I'm only posting this as an example of satire that crosses the line and should never be created, disseminated, promoted, or encouraged in any way. Really. Honest

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    Squarejaw saidI'm only posting this as an example of satire that crosses the line and should never be created, disseminated, promoted, or encouraged in any way. Really. Honest


    Absolutely. And I'm so glad you didn't disseminate it, either.

    Odd accent, BTW. Every now & then I could almost hear Frances McDormand as the Minnesota Police Chief from "Fargo."
  • EricLA

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    Sep 27, 2008 6:56 PM GMT
    It was NOT a good week for McCain, especially re: Palin. Her CBS interviews with Katie Couric were embarrassing! Looking into her lap as she's answering to check her facts??????? WFT?!? Hasn't she been sequestered long enough to have absorbed this data by now?

    And it's not just Jack Caffery who is critical of Palin. Posted on Americablog yesterday (Sorry this is on the long side, but it is a quick read):

    This is a conservative writer at the lead conservative Web site. This is a woman who was a fan of Sarah Palin, and now thinks Palin is wholly unqualified to be president of the United States. There is so much import to this article.

    First off, the writer is a real conservative, not some liberal. (She's been called "an Ann Coulter wannabe," and Media Matters even recently sent out an alert about her.") Second, she's a woman. Third, she was a Palin fan. Fourth, she's willing to say publicly that Palin needs to leave the race. You don't do that to your own nominee unless it's panic time and you feel you have no choice. This article gives cover to anyone in the future who criticizes Palin. She was declared unfit for combat by a lead female conservative. Also, there are probably even more conservatives fretting in the wings. This also means that Sarah Palin has not rallied Republicans. She's rallied SOME Republicans. She's freaked out others, just as she's freaked out all of us.

    I'm going to try to excerpt this article, but it's hard, it's that good, the entire thing - read it - and CNN has more on this here:
    Some of the passionately feminist critics of Palin who attacked her personally deserved some of the backlash they received. But circumstances have changed since Palin was introduced as just a hockey mom with lipstick — what a difference a financial crisis makes — and a more complicated picture has emerged.

    As we’ve seen and heard more from John McCain’s running mate, it is increasingly clear that Palin is a problem. Quick study or not, she doesn’t know enough about economics and foreign policy to make Americans comfortable with a President Palin should conditions warrant her promotion....

    It was fun while it lasted.

    Palin’s recent interviews with Charles Gibson, Sean Hannity, and now Katie Couric have all revealed an attractive, earnest, confident candidate. Who Is Clearly Out Of Her League.

    No one hates saying that more than I do. Like so many women, I’ve been pulling for Palin, wishing her the best, hoping she will perform brilliantly. I’ve also noticed that I watch her interviews with the held breath of an anxious parent, my finger poised over the mute button in case it gets too painful. Unfortunately, it often does. My cringe reflex is exhausted.

    Palin filibusters. She repeats words, filling space with deadwood. Cut the verbiage and there’s not much content there....

    If BS were currency, Palin could bail out Wall Street herself.

    If Palin were a man, we’d all be guffawing, just as we do every time Joe Biden tickles the back of his throat with his toes. But because she’s a woman — and the first ever on a Republican presidential ticket — we are reluctant to say what is painfully true.

    What to do?

    McCain can’t repudiate his choice for running mate. He not only risks the wrath of the GOP’s unforgiving base, but he invites others to second-guess his executive decision-making ability. Barack Obama faces the same problem with Biden.

    Only Palin can save McCain, her party, and the country she loves. She can bow out for personal reasons, perhaps because she wants to spend more time with her newborn. No one would criticize a mother who puts her family first.

    Do it for your country.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Sep 27, 2008 6:59 PM GMT
    Hagan_F saidI would never personally disrespect someone who is currently an elected governor and a candidate for one of the major parties VP by referring to her at "the Palin woman", I don't care how much I disagreed or disliked her politics.



    I think the term "Palin woman" is minor compared to some of the comments she had received.
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    Sep 27, 2008 7:43 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    HndsmKansan said
    CuriousJockAZ saidPerhaps it is some sort of strategy...set it up so expectations are really low going in, then during V.P. debates she blows everyone away



    I doubt if thats possible Todd... I think everyone is going to be shocked
    at the difference, I think everyone will be "blown away" at the disparity...



    I dunno, I think this is a woman that should not be underestimated. Also, I tend to think that Karl Rove is probably behind the scenes helping with strategy, and that Governor Palin will have her moments in the debate where she shines. If she can come out of it without any huge gaffes, and remain endearing to those who already like her, then she should be fine. At the very least, it will make for some interesting TV, and probably the most watched debate -- EVER!


    Her problem is that she couldnt make it through an staged interview where she had the questions before hand without any gaffes
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    Sep 27, 2008 7:44 PM GMT
    coolarmydude said
    HaHA! Palin still manages to screw up formatted interviews with rehearsed buzz lines and catch phrases. She reminds me of a pull-string doll or a magic 8 ball.


    ahh but pull string dolls at least always say what they are supposed to
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    Sep 27, 2008 7:45 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidPerhaps it is some sort of strategy...set it up so expectations are really low going in, then during V.P. debates she blows everyone away


    With her ignorance
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    Sep 27, 2008 8:31 PM GMT
    At least when this farce has run its course, we may have a new word in our vocabulary:

    Palinolithic: [pay-lin-o-lith-ick] adj. of, relating to, or denoting a primitive early form of political thinking.

    (of a person) lacking modern political thinking patterns or skills; outmoded or outdated in this regard. Her Palinolithic grasp of politics made her unsuited for 21st-Century governance.

    (of a subject) of a political approach that is marked by extreme obsolescence. The Palinolithic proposal was rejected for its total irrelevance to modern political realities.

    (of an era) of a time or period in which this kind of politics was practiced. Prehistoric humans had to evolve beyond their Palinolithic phase before civilization could advance.
  • MuslDrew

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    Sep 27, 2008 8:55 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    HndsmKansan said
    CuriousJockAZ saidPerhaps it is some sort of strategy...set it up so expectations are really low going in, then during V.P. debates she blows everyone away



    I doubt if thats possible Todd... I think everyone is going to be shocked
    at the difference, I think everyone will be "blown away" at the disparity...



    I dunno, I think this is a woman that should not be underestimated. Also, I tend to think that Karl Rove is probably behind the scenes helping with strategy, and that Governor Palin will have her moments in the debate where she shines. If she can come out of it without any huge gaffes, and remain endearing to those who already like her, then she should be fine. At the very least, it will make for some interesting TV, and probably the most watched debate -- EVER!


    I don't now who is in charge of the McCain/Palin campaign, but their ideas lately are coming across as puzzling. After shielding Palin from questions for a few weeks I feel she should have been better prepared to ask questions on policy matters. She has shored up the base, but I doubt she'll be able to accomplish more than that. Most conservatives are going to support & defend her no matter what she says. It's the moderate, independent swing voters who may be scratching their heads.
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    Sep 27, 2008 9:06 PM GMT
    "That Palin Women" She will always be referred to as that..icon_razz.gif