Round 1 in debates goes to Obama, poll says

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    Sep 28, 2008 12:09 AM GMT


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    Post-debate CNN poll suggests Obama came out on top over McCain

    Most debate watchers agreed McCain, Obama would be able to handle presidency

    Male respondents split evenly among candidates; Women liked Obama over McCain

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/27/debate.poll/index.html
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    Sep 28, 2008 12:05 PM GMT
    I thought it was pretty much a draw. I heard commentary that McCain was expected to pummel Obama regarding foreign Affairs and since that clearly didn't happen, the debate became Obama's.
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    Sep 28, 2008 1:36 PM GMT
    polls don't elect presidents.

    HOW MANY times have polls been wrong in the past?
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    Sep 28, 2008 1:40 PM GMT
    I'm supporting Obama but I've never understood why people keep calling him a "gifted speaker". lol.

    Obama won simply because McCain lost imo. McCain came off as unsympathetic, fake, "old" and mean. While although Obama went into specifics as much as McCain did (sarcasm) Obama came off as the opposite of all those.
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    Sep 28, 2008 1:42 PM GMT
    rnch saidpolls don't elect presidents.

    HOW MANY times have polls been wrong in the past?


    Your right. In the end, the country's elite elects the presidents.
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    Sep 28, 2008 2:10 PM GMT
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    Post-debate CNN poll suggests Obama came out on top over McCain....
    r u su-prised? CNN annointed obama king of the world MANY, MANY months ago! CNN has degraded into a video version of People magazine....has gone downhill since the ted turner days... icon_sad.gif
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    Sep 28, 2008 2:11 PM GMT
    rnch said
    Caslon7000 said

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    Post-debate CNN poll suggests Obama came out on top over McCain....
    r u su-prised? CNN annointed obama king of the world MANY, MANY motnths ago! CNN has degraded into a video version of People magazine....has gone downhill since the ted turner days... icon_sad.gif


    Cry me a fucking river.
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    Sep 28, 2008 2:44 PM GMT
    CNN said the debate went for Obama.

    Well, that's a surprise! Maybe next you will say that FOX said the debate went for McCain!

    Not that CNN or FOX are partision. NOOOOOOOO!!!!
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    Sep 28, 2008 2:59 PM GMT
    rnch and Triggerman: the poll wasn't of CNN employees.

    The AP (are they ultra liberal?) included polls from both CNN and CBS news, which was posted on FoxNews.com:
    http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/27/snapshot-polls-give-obama-edge-over-mccain-in-debate/

    There is no Fox News poll that I can find.

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    Sep 28, 2008 3:05 PM GMT
    A joke was made tonight on an Aussie TV show called 'Rove' (a weekly Tonight Show/Late Night type deal) about the debate.

    Something along the lines of: "It ended up being nothing but a frail, old white guy getting scared by a black guy asking for change."

    It amused me.
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    Sep 28, 2008 3:09 PM GMT
    AGAIN i remind ya'll...polls don't elect presidents.


    obama bin laden's core support group (college students, african-americans, nuts and wierdos) historically do NOT get out of bed to vote in large numbers. shouting 'OBAMMMMA! OBAMMMMMA!!" in a hip hop club at 3 am does not elect a president. hanging obama posters from your dorm room window does NOT elect a president.

    johnnyMac's core support group (white middle class/upper middle class americans, retired americans) DO historically vote in large numbers.

    if voting elects a president, who do you think is going to win??????



    this ain't rocket science, nancy....icon_cool.gif

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    Sep 28, 2008 3:12 PM GMT
    rnch saidobama bin laden's


    *sigh* How original.
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    Sep 28, 2008 3:26 PM GMT
    rnch saidAGAIN i remind ya'll...polls don't elect presidents.


    obama bin laden's core support group (college students, african-americans, nuts and wierdos) historically do NOT get out of bed to vote in large numbers. shouting 'OBAMMMMA! OBAMMMMMA!!" in a hip hop club at 3 am does not elect a president. hanging obama posters from your dorm room window does NOT elect a president.

    johnnyMac's core support group (white middle class/upper middle class americans, retired americans) DO historically vote in large numbers.

    if voting elects a president, who do you think is going to win??????



    this ain't rocket science, nancy....icon_cool.gif


    hmm. sounds all to familiar. tell us what you really think
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    Sep 28, 2008 3:29 PM GMT
    rnch saidAGAIN i remind ya'll...polls don't elect presidents.

    obama bin laden's core support group (college students, african-americans, nuts and wierdos) historically do NOT get out of bed to vote in large numbers. shouting 'OBAMMMMA! OBAMMMMMA!!" in a hip hop club at 3 am does not elect a president. hanging obama posters from your dorm room window does NOT elect a president.

    johnnyMac's core support group (white middle class/upper middle class americans, retired americans) DO historically vote in large numbers.

    if voting elects a president, who do you think is going to win??????

    this ain't rocket science, nancy....icon_cool.gif


    You've just earned your douchebag card--congrats.
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    Sep 28, 2008 3:30 PM GMT


    tell us what you really think[/quote] icon_lol.gificon_razz.gificon_lol.gif
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    Sep 28, 2008 4:33 PM GMT
    Here is one analysis of what is going on ..
    http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/09/27/why-voters-thought-obama-won-and-why-the-pundits-didn-t-get-it.aspx
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    Sep 28, 2008 5:07 PM GMT
    Why all the douchebag talk and all that crap?

    I know I get laughed at for saying we should keep this on a higher level, but douchebag? God knows, I barely know what that is but I can guess.

    How about we agree to keep the debate above board?

    Have a good argument? Make it.

    Have a good response? Make it.

    We can debate this on a higher level.

    If your argument is good, there is no need for name calling. Let it fly on issues.
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    Sep 28, 2008 5:10 PM GMT
    4barbela saidA joke was made tonight on an Aussie TV show called 'Rove' (a weekly Tonight Show/Late Night type deal) about the debate.

    Something along the lines of: "It ended up being nothing but a frail, old white guy getting scared by a black guy asking for change."

    It amused me.


    Wow. talk about racist.
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    Sep 28, 2008 5:11 PM GMT
    rnch saidAGAIN i remind ya'll...polls don't elect presidents.


    obama bin laden's core support group (college students, african-americans, nuts and wierdos) historically do NOT get out of bed to vote in large numbers. shouting 'OBAMMMMA! OBAMMMMMA!!" in a hip hop club at 3 am does not elect a president. hanging obama posters from your dorm room window does NOT elect a president.

    johnnyMac's core support group (white middle class/upper middle class americans, retired americans) DO historically vote in large numbers.

    if voting elects a president, who do you think is going to win??????



    this ain't rocket science, nancy....icon_cool.gif



    Wow. Talk about racist.....yet again.
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    Sep 28, 2008 5:22 PM GMT
    I have not seen the various poll repospones, but I watched the debate on MSNBC, which tends to be liberal, and they said it was a draw. I thought it was a draw, but that has to account for my bias. I tend to prefer McCain, and I will get that right out there. I prefer McCain. But I thought Obama was really good, made good points, and I would almost vote for him. I voted for him in the primaries and might vote for him now if someone could convince me that he could run the country.
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    Sep 28, 2008 5:36 PM GMT
    Triggerman saidWhy all the douchebag talk and all that crap? That was directed (and properly quoted) at rnch, the picture-less, empty profile user who uses his anonymity to spew his characterization of an Obama supporter:
    "obama bin laden's core support group (college students, african-americans, nuts and wierdos) historically do NOT get out of bed to vote in large numbers. shouting 'OBAMMMMA! OBAMMMMMA!!" in a hip hop club at 3 am does not elect a president."

    I know I get laughed at for saying we should keep this on a higher level, but douchebag? It's a good word for rnch icon_biggrin.gif God knows, I barely know what that is but I can guess.

    How about we agree to keep the debate above board? You're directing that to rnch to avoid the racism as well, hopefully

    Have a good argument? Make it.

    Have a good response? Make it.

    We can debate this on a higher level.

    If your argument is good, there is no need for name calling. Let it fly on issues. Settle down, Mary. I have a few posts under my belt and I stay above the fray, but I will always call someone out when that kind of racist shit goes unchecked
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    Sep 28, 2008 5:56 PM GMT
    Hey, it is Sunday. Let's all wish each other a day of peace. We can fight tomorrow. We are all Gay brothers in arms and all fighting for the best for all people. Today, we are all brothers. OK? Let's honor the day....and we will pick up the fight another day......I will not fight anymore today. JW
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    Sep 28, 2008 6:01 PM GMT
    The main point that Obama made on the Economy was that he's going to repeal the tax cuts for the rich and give a cut to the lower levels - because trickle down doesn't work.

    The main point Obama made on Foreign Affairs - he's got the judgement to keep us from making the giant blunders that GW has gotten into and McCain has supported. Further - pull back on Iraq and concentrate for real on Afganistan and Al Quieda.

    McCain on the other hand thinks the Econ will be fine, tax policy is fine and that reforming Congresses miss-spending of 18 billion in earmarks with get us back on track.

    McCain's solution on Iraq is still troop in there at all costs, no timeline, full steam ahead on Iraq.

    That was there stance on the way into the debate and it didn't change for the debate.

    So what the hell new did we get from the debate? McCain can't relax around Obama. He was up-tight, couldn't look him in the eye, treated him with contempt, repeatedly gaphawed at Obama and patronized him as if he was a senseless lad.

    That's how McCain is going to handle world leaders he must engage with in situations of conflict. It's how he's going to handle senate and congress leaders in situations of conflict. So much for his Maverick bi-partisan history. When he's 'in charge', he's going to be petty and stubborn - just like GW. He really will stop all bills because of earmarks - it really will save the country 18 billion and we really will spend that all in one month fighting some stupid war that he refuses to get out of - or he causes by giving the wrong foreign leader the ice cold shoulder.

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    Sep 28, 2008 11:55 PM GMT
    I think the reason McCain lost was because he was unable to look at Obama, address him, it was utterly rude. I think it demonstrated that he would be unable to "build a bridge across the aisle" and I don't think it will be lost on the American people.

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    Sep 29, 2008 12:16 AM GMT
    The reason McCain lost is
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