Has Apple Lost Its Cool to Samsung?

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    Jan 26, 2013 5:00 PM GMT
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323854904578264090074879024.html?mod=e2fb

    Samsung, the market leader in smartphones, on Friday said its fourth-quarter profit surged 76% to a record high on the strength of smartphone sales, including its Galaxy S line. The latest version is considered comparable by many shoppers in both design and technical features.

    Apple, meanwhile, reignited concerns about demand for its iPhone 5 after reporting flat earnings for the holiday quarter, sending its stock down 14% in the past two days. The stock has also dropped 37% since hitting an all-time high on Sept. 19, just two days before the iPhone 5 launched in stores.

    At that time, Samsung had just unleashed an aggressive marketing campaign including a television commercial that poked fun at the iPhone 5. "The next big thing is already here," the spot said, referring to its Galaxy S III phone.

    The ad was part of a more than $200 million U.S. marketing blitz that Samsung launched in 2011 to lampoon Apple, according to Kantar Media. The creative vision for those ads was a former Nike NKE +3.14% executive, Todd Pendleton, who now runs Samsung's marketing in the U.S.

    The campaign swayed consumers including Will Hernandez, an Apple iPhone owner who bought a Samsung Galaxy S III smartphone about three months ago after seeing Samsung's ads.

    "If you see this stuff on TV enough, it gets you thinking," said Mr. Hernandez, a 34-year-old resident of Somerville, Mass., who adds that he likes how his Galaxy has a larger screen than the iPhone. "Now, when someone gives me an iPhone to look at a picture, it looks so tiny."

    The marketing onslaught is helping Samsung widen the gap as the market leader. Samsung is estimated to have held 28% of the global smartphone market last year, up from 20% a year earlier, according to IHS iSuppli. Apple's share, meanwhile, isn't rising as quickly, moving to 20.5% in 2012 from 19% a year earlier.
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    Jan 30, 2013 4:29 PM GMT
    Apple is losing because everyone is becoming more like Apple.
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    Jan 30, 2013 4:53 PM GMT
    Yes YEs, and Yes

    Apple is s overpriced software platform that does not work with flash player or Java,
    plus they cannot compete with Samsung who offers bigger screen resolutions, lighter weight phones, and cheaper prices.

    Apple is circa 2009
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    Jan 30, 2013 5:10 PM GMT
    collegegraddude saidYes YEs, and Yes

    Apple is s overpriced software platform that does not work with flash player or Java,
    plus they cannot compete with Samsung who offers bigger screen resolutions, lighter weight phones, and cheaper prices.

    Apple is circa 2009

    This. Everyone has caught up.
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    Jan 30, 2013 5:12 PM GMT
    Does anyone know how to upload pics using a Galaxy mini? not a single site works for me. Cant find where the pics r stored... any advice wud help, I look like such an asshole when people ask me for more pics n I can no longer supply, they think I 'm making excuses
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    Jan 30, 2013 5:12 PM GMT
    smartmoney saidApple is losing because everyone is becoming more like Apple.

    Inevitability in the market. Everyone gets to be number at some point.
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    Jan 30, 2013 5:25 PM GMT
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    collegegraddude saidYes YEs, and Yes

    Apple is s overpriced software platform that does not work with flash player or Java,
    plus they cannot compete with Samsung who offers bigger screen resolutions, lighter weight phones, and cheaper prices.

    Apple is circa 2009

    This. Everyone has caught up.


    I think Apple has reached an innovation plateau. They went from iMac to iPod, to iPhone(s) to iPad...now on to AppleTV...where to next. Their latest releases have been refinements and polished up same-old-same-old.
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    Jan 30, 2013 5:31 PM GMT
    Apple has access to the same fabs that Samsung utilizes and is quite capable of having produced any gadget that they can dream up... just like Samsung. The 13" MacBook Pro has a screen res of 2,560 x 1,600 at 232 ppi. That's comparably sharp, and far larger than any phone on the market and proof that anything can be done, if consumers want it and are willing to pay for it.

    Regarding size... bigger isn't always better (on phones icon_smile.gif. Not everyone wants a 6"x4" slab in their pocket. That's why Samsung also produces the express and the mini. Phone manufacturers can and will produce anything thing that they think will make a profit and fit their model. Apple works exclusively on the higher end/higher margin devices and Samsung goes more for volume/thinner margins with a few high end flagships. Both are good business and fit their brand images well.

    Which leads me to pricing. Any fresh off the boat smartphone that you purchase on subsidy from a carrier is going to be $150 to $200, minus the Lumia 920 which thanks to MS is subsidized even further. Second tier phones are around a $100 and plastic junk for free. The notion that Apple phones are somehow more expensive than "comparable" products from other providers is a fallacy.

    Personally, I think that the Android and iOS operating systems are both rather stale. There really isn't anything "cool" about any of the handsets being made right now. It's 6th generation refinement, but all of the wow has already been built in at this point. Win8 phones are the ones people are noticing now with their big shiny fisher price graphics. Who knows what next year will bring (probably not the z10!)

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    Jan 30, 2013 5:46 PM GMT
    Apple seems to be losing their innovative edge!
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    Jan 30, 2013 6:03 PM GMT
    Yes
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    Jan 30, 2013 6:04 PM GMT
    It hasn't lost it's cool. Just because Samsung has a bigger market share doesn't mean that translates into their phones having the cool factor.

    As much as it pains me to say if your a buyer who's going for aesthetics/the cool factor Apple is still way ahead. They make beautiful items full stop.

    I haven't seen a smartphone maker come out with anything as aesthetically pleasing as the iPhone. Plus they have all of those oh so kitschy ad campaigns and music industry affiliations whereas Samsung advertise like they are a bank.

    Perhaps buyers are more tech savvy these days and in that respect Samsung is beating Apple in terms of specs.
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    Jan 30, 2013 6:08 PM GMT
    whateveryo saidIt hasn't lost it's cool. Just because Samsung has a bigger market share doesn't mean that translates into their phones having the cool factor.

    As much as it pains me to say if your a buyer who's going for aesthetics/the cool factor Apple is still way ahead. They make beautiful items full stop.

    I haven't seen a smartphone maker come out with anything as aesthetically pleasing as the iPhone. Plus they have all of those oh so kitschy ad campaigns and music industry affiliations whereas Samsung advertise like they are a bank.

    Perhaps buyers are more tech savvy these days and in that respect Samsung is beating Apple in terms of specs.


    Really?? I think iPhones are sorta cheesy and clunky looking compared to the Galaxy phones.
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    Jan 30, 2013 6:35 PM GMT
    Well it pretty much speaks "How" the whole Brand speaks...after all we are all humans with complexity in taste and everything.

    I could get a MacBook Pro and Install Windows *in it! like woot!.

    So I dont see Apple as an extraterrestrial anymore to be Wowed of. Samsung in my general open opinion has understand what consumer and how the whole Galactic works. icon_wink.gif

    Just as what he said

    smartmoneyApple is losing because everyone is becoming more like Apple.






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    Jan 30, 2013 6:43 PM GMT
    CuriousOne saidApple seems to be losing their innovative edge!


    Nail on the head. When the iPhone first came out it was such a cool innovation I just had to have one. I couldn't imagine owning anything else but an Apple product.

    Now Apple is just improving on the same formula and seems to put more effort into ensuring existing customers won't jump ship. Everyone else has caught up with look alike products.

    Kind of sad the only big reason to choose Apple these days is to protect your existing Apple "ecosystem" as someone called it.
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    Jan 30, 2013 6:57 PM GMT
    collegegraddude saidYes YEs, and Yes

    Apple is s overpriced software platform that does not work with flash player or Java,
    plus they cannot compete with Samsung who offers bigger screen resolutions, lighter weight phones, and cheaper prices.

    Apple is circa 2009


    Other are not overpriced, they're just expensive. Apple has always used superior quality parts and materials, as well as had a much more polished OS. And they do work with Java, just not Flash.

    On that note, even Macromedia, the makers of Flash, have admitted that its antiquated. They are phasing it out for more touch compatible technologies.

    What will really define the top company in the next wave of devices will be the integration of flexible OLEDs, in my opinion.
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    Jan 30, 2013 11:15 PM GMT
    collegegraddude saidApple is s overpriced software platform that does not work with flash player or Java,
    plus they cannot compete with Samsung who offers bigger screen resolutions, lighter weight phones, and cheaper prices.

    Apple is circa 2009


    agreed, iphone user here but i find myself having serious mobile envy whenever i see a dude with a gs3, doesn't help that i've had call quality issues on this iphone POS 5. I've never been on board with the precious self important apple attitude and now seems like a good time to ditch.

    I would think some fuking einstein at apple would have done away with the ridiculous no flash policy after Jobs died, but apparently he can still grudge fuk from the grave. anyway, he seemed like the kind of guy who would want the company to crash and burn after he died because that would vindicate his massive ego, like he WAS the entire company.
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    Jan 30, 2013 11:17 PM GMT
    "One bad Apple spoils the whole bunch."

    Several bad Apples spoils the whole company.
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    Jan 30, 2013 11:33 PM GMT
    thadjock saidagreed, iphone user here but i find myself having serious mobile envy whenever i see a dude with a gs3, doesn't help that i've had call quality issues on this iphone POS 5. I've never been on board with the precious self important apple attitude and now seems like a good time to ditch.

    I would think some fuking einstein at apple would have done away with the ridiculous no flash policy after Jobs died, but apparently he can still grudge fuk from the grave. anyway, he seemed like the kind of guy who would want the company to crash and burn after he died because that would vindicate his massive ego, like he WAS the entire company.


    You hardly have to be elitist to use Apple. What's more irritating than the 'Apple Attitude' is the Apple bashing, not based on fact, but because its trendy to do so.

    Flash is dead, Jobs was just a bit early on it. Even Macromedia is phasing the technology out, because it is not compatible with touch.
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    Jan 30, 2013 11:44 PM GMT
    I saw a really interesting show on IDEO who did a lot of the industrial design for Apple in the beginning. The founder said that nothing is really new, but each idea is taken to another level by someone else, then back again. It's like hopping ladders back and forth. Samsung sure learned a shitload from Apple, and Apple will learn. I predict a much larger iPhone to be in the pipeline. I am an Apple guy from the start, only because I am in the creative industry, and the best apps were made with Apple in mind first. So for me, the UI just feels right.
  • Medjai

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    Jan 30, 2013 11:46 PM GMT
    Roguewave saidI saw a really interesting show on IDEO who did a lot of the industrial design for Apple in the beginning. The founder said that nothing is really new, but each idea is taken to another level by someone else, then back again. It's like hopping ladders back and forth. Samsung sure learned a shitload from Apple, and Apple will learn. I predict a much larger iPhone to be in the pipeline. I am an Apple guy from the start, only because I am in the creative industry, and the best apps were made with Apple in mind first. So for me, the UI just feels right.


    Think so? They've always stated the size is capped so it can be comfortably used with one hand.

    I'm interested to see how flexible OLEDs are integrated into mobile tech.
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    Jan 30, 2013 11:49 PM GMT
    Medjai said
    Think so? They've always stated the size is capped so it can be comfortably used with one hand.

    I'm interested to see how flexible OLEDs are integrated into mobile tech.


    Yeah I do. I think with the iPad getting smaller, and the 5 getting a little larger, they are nearing that mark. I think they say a lot of things to justify their design.
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    Jan 30, 2013 11:51 PM GMT
    Medjai said<
    Flash is dead, Jobs was just a bit early on it. Even Macromedia is phasing the technology out, because it is not compatible with touch.


    excluding flash from the inception of the iphone is not "just a bit early on it"

    that's a full blown isolationist insecure pissing match. it wasn't about optimizing technology it was about Jobs' personal vendetta.
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    Jan 30, 2013 11:52 PM GMT
    thadjock said
    Medjai said<
    Flash is dead, Jobs was just a bit early on it. Even Macromedia is phasing the technology out, because it is not compatible with touch.


    excluding flash from the inception of the iphone is not "just a bit early on it"

    that's a full blown isolationist insecure pissing match. it wasn't about optimizing technology it was about Jobs' personal vendetta.


    I'll agree he jumped the gun. However, not that he knew it at the time, but he was right. Lucky guess.
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    Jan 31, 2013 12:17 AM GMT
    if you consider cheap plastic and touchwiz cool...
  • MidwesternKid

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    Jan 31, 2013 12:21 AM GMT
    I love my Samsung Galaxy S2. Although I love Macbook. Never want to go with a PC ever again.