I think this new Obama ad is brilliant. What do you think?

  • coolarmydude

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    Sep 28, 2008 12:00 PM GMT





    Almost all undecided voters are middle class.
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    Sep 28, 2008 2:57 PM GMT
    Good catch on Obama's part....

    I think the Republican's goose is pretty much cooked by the meltdown on Wall St. As champions of Big Business, they have had a rug pulled out from under them. They can't go around touting how they know what they are doing. Then you put that together with their great screw up in Iraq and Katrina, and have them pretty much sewn up on foreign and domestic policies, too.
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    Sep 28, 2008 4:26 PM GMT
    Well, it is good. Brilliant though?
    Obama used to be all about the excitement about being for change. Tons of people were excited; that was brilliant. This is that change message and that's grand and all. Its just boring. Nothing exciting. It doesn't have to be exciting and there is nothing wrong with that. Especially because the ad does make its point, but it would go along with what everyone loved Obama for in the first place. How he got all those first time voters out for him. And if it was exciting it would be so much more memorable.

    I'm a college undergrad though and he already has my demographic's vote. College kids aren't exactly the target audience either. The ads I've seen though from Obama just are not as exciting as they should be recently. It won't stop me from voting, but the Obama fever has cooled and that will bore a lot of others from caring.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Sep 28, 2008 4:48 PM GMT
    Nothing about Obama is necessarily "Brilliant" -- cunning and calculated maybe -- but "Brilliant"? Not so much
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    Sep 28, 2008 4:58 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidNothing about Obama is necessarily "Brilliant" -- cunning and calculated maybe -- but "Brilliant"? Not so much


    Are you sure you're not mistaken and mean McFuckstick? he's the one that chose Palin as a calculated choice for VP nomination and is cunning in his flip-flopping views for more votes......
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    Sep 28, 2008 4:58 PM GMT
    I don't know, I'm afraid Obama lost much of Middle America during the debate with his pronunciation of "Pahkistahn". I come from a lower middle class, Midwestern, blue collar background, and believe me, something as simple as that makes him look snobbish in their eyes.

    He can say the words "Middle Class" all he wants, but if they feel they're being patronized by an upper class snob, they'll hate him to the grave.
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    Sep 28, 2008 4:59 PM GMT
    It's OK.

    I liked Bill's better:

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    Sep 28, 2008 5:05 PM GMT
    riptjock saidI don't know, I'm afraid Obama lost much of Middle America during the debate with his pronunciation of "Pahkistahn". I come from a lower middle class, Midwestern, blue collar background, and believe me, something as simple as that makes him look snobbish in their eyes.

    He can say the words "Middle Class" all he wants, but if they feel they're being patronized by an upper class snob, they'll hate him to the grave.


    You're really buying in to the McCain campaign saying that Obama is snobbish, aren't you? You've got to be kidding me!!! Have you noticed the number of houses/the clothes/the cars McCain has???? Oh wait, I forgot, when it comes to combined income in a marriage, those numbers don't count when it's the wife making the cash. Stupid me....and how sexist. Many apologies.

    They hate him because he's black, not because he says "Pahkistahn". Get over it and get real.
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    Sep 28, 2008 5:18 PM GMT
    riptjock saidI don't know, I'm afraid Obama lost much of Middle America during the debate with his pronunciation of "Pahkistahn". I come from a lower middle class, Midwestern, blue collar background, and believe me, something as simple as that makes him look snobbish in their eyes.

    He can say the words "Middle Class" all he wants, but if they feel they're being patronized by an upper class snob, they'll hate him to the grave.

    It is good to hear it admitted that their are people in the country who are so ignorant that they choose their candidates based on enunciation. ... icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Sep 28, 2008 6:08 PM GMT
    riptjock saidI don't know, I'm afraid Obama lost much of Middle America during the debate with his pronunciation of "Pahkistahn". I come from a lower middle class, Midwestern, blue collar background, and believe me, something as simple as that makes him look snobbish in their eyes.

    He can say the words "Middle Class" all he wants, but if they feel they're being patronized by an upper class snob, they'll hate him to the grave.


    Iowa grown middle class etc etc - my blue haired mother and father - both registered republicans and parents of two homosexuals (2) have already sworn to jump ship this November. They are going Independent before they vote for McCain or Obama. I know that they are tired of the name calling and typical bantering that goes back and forth, but this is the worst they have ever seen or heard.
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    Sep 28, 2008 6:15 PM GMT
    Isn't is "hilarious " that Obama gets the snob/upperclass/elitist sliming even though McCain is the one who married an heiress for her money, looks and access? It's really insane how Americans will believe what they want to believe vs what is fact in front of them. Worse is that claims of elitism and patronization are really just dodges of racism and fear of someone educated.

    Why do Americans in general fear well educated people? I get that religion and lack of education allow us to not take responsibility - to have certainty because someone else decided. Meanwhile, education begets critical thinking which begets uncertainty - the fear of fear itself.

    Sad.
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    Sep 28, 2008 6:26 PM GMT
    riptjock saidI don't know, I'm afraid Obama lost much of Middle America during the debate with his pronunciation of "Pahkistahn". I come from a lower middle class, Midwestern, blue collar background, and believe me, something as simple as that makes him look snobbish in their eyes.

    He can say the words "Middle Class" all he wants, but if they feel they're being patronized by an upper class snob, they'll hate him to the grave.

    I just don't see this snob thing AT ALL. Never have. I never really understood the "Elite" thing until I considered the race issue .. consider these facts:
    Compare McCain
    40million+ net worth
    9 homes
    14 cars
    Exclusive school (Naval Academy - have to be nominated by congressman,
    Its a good school, a boyfriend went there)
    Wealthy wife that wears really expensive fashion (300,000 outfit??)

    Obama
    1.3 million net worth
    1 home
    1 car (a hybrid)
    school: went to Occidental, Columbia, and was later admitted to Harvard Law School based on merit not privilege.

    So it looks like if there is an elitist, it would be on the McCain side. If someone is OK with McCain, but not the Obama's .. there is a double standard. Of course if you look into some of the civil rights movements issues in the past, people that were for segregation had real problems when a black person was seen to get "too uppity" that is to try to move out of their social strata or climb the social ladder. It always would bring contempt from the white community .. You can watch videos during the school desegregation movement and see the white people shouting and the young black students as they tried to go to a desegregated school for the first time .. here is a video about desegregation
    http://www.teachersdomain.org/asset/iml04_vid_brown2/
    This "elitist" stuff has an errie similarity to the " ******* go home" "you are out of your place" attitude to me


    I think some people that have that attitude (the segregation attitude) don't even realize it when they think that way .. as once blogger put it, "arrogant" is the new "uppity" ..

    http://blacksnob.blogspot.com/2008/08/places-please.htmlEveryone is talking about that uppity Negro, that uppity n***** who does not know his place. "Places, Please!" shouts the establishment at Barack, Michelle and any other high-minded son-of-a-bitch who has the nerve to think they could rule the world. There is nothing more insulting that a precocious black child talking back to his elders, his superiors, his supremacists. There is nothing that enrages them more.

    It's a good article if anyone wants to understand this "elitist" stuff.
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    Sep 28, 2008 6:44 PM GMT
    The pronunciation/academic aspects are interesting. Would Midwesterners be offended by and/or perhaps ridicule the "proper" pronunciation of Foyer? Do people who pronounce Foyer "properly" get labeled as academically elite & pretentious?

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/audio.pl?foyer002.wav=foyer

    If you live in New England and mention your Aunt do you pronounce the word as "Ohnt" there but modify your inflection for a Midwestern audience, pronouncing the same word as "Ant" to the bible belt folks?

    So Obama's Ivy League education is apparent in his speech inflections: should it be politically offensive to enunciate per an academic standard or should we all be more politically correct and adjust pronunciations to fit what we believe is socially acceptable to a particular audience?


  • GQjock

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    Sep 28, 2008 6:54 PM GMT
    The ad brilliant?
    It's a great ad ... and something his campaign should have been doin from the get go

    Obama's brilliant ... the ad's just an ad

    Oh ... BTW whoever is talkin about Obama mispronouncing any words better ask Grampy to look up the PRESENT Pakistani President's name and The same for the President of Iran
    ... if you're gonna drop bombs on their country when you get into office?
    It might be a good thing to know the country well enuf to pronounce the names of their Presidents correctly.... Okay?
  • GQjock

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    Sep 28, 2008 7:05 PM GMT
    Nothing wrong with Obama agreeing with Grampy on some things

    ... the guy's not Bush he has a few things to say
    Not enuf or worthy to be President but a few things to say
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    Sep 28, 2008 7:07 PM GMT
    logandc1 saidas an undecided voter, that add is something to consider. i'm just waiting for mccain to come out with an add that details the number of times that obama said "john's right" or "i agree with senator mccain" since that would be just as powerful. i think it was something like 8-10 times he said that.
    They already came out with that hours after the debate ..
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    Sep 28, 2008 7:21 PM GMT
    riptjock said, "I don't know, I'm afraid Obama lost much of Middle America during the debate with his pronunciation of "Pahkistahn". I come from a lower middle class, Midwestern, blue collar background, and believe me, something as simple as that makes him look snobbish in their eyes.

    He can say the words "Middle Class" all he wants, but if they feel they're being patronized by an upper class snob, they'll hate him to the grave."


    Oh really? And nu-cu-lar resonates well I guess...

    The dumbing down of America persists...
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    Sep 28, 2008 9:18 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidNothing about Obama is necessarily "Brilliant" -- cunning and calculated maybe -- but "Brilliant"? Not so much


    If he were running on the Republican ticket, how would you feel about him?
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    Sep 28, 2008 9:19 PM GMT
    Yup yup! Most of us are victims of public school, forgive us! icon_biggrin.gif


    But really, all this talk of how Obama is uppity or "arrogant" is rascist at BEST. Grow the hell up and join us in the 21st century already. icon_confused.gif
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    Sep 28, 2008 9:21 PM GMT
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    CuriousJockAZ saidNothing about Obama is necessarily "Brilliant" -- cunning and calculated maybe -- but "Brilliant"? Not so much


    If he were running on the Republican ticket, how would you feel about him?



    I know you didn't pose the question to me but, in ALL honesty, I wouldn't have voted for McCain even if he were the Democratic nominee. I would have blown my vote by Writting in Ron Paul or something. Anything but McCain... I actually want to have a country to become a part of when I graduate from college. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Sep 28, 2008 9:23 PM GMT
    riptjock saidI don't know, I'm afraid Obama lost much of Middle America during the debate with his pronunciation of "Pahkistahn". I come from a lower middle class, Midwestern, blue collar background, and believe me, something as simple as that makes him look snobbish in their eyes.

    He can say the words "Middle Class" all he wants, but if they feel they're being patronized by an upper class snob, they'll hate him to the grave.


    I live in a very Republican suburb of a medium sized midwest city in Ohio, which Hillary carried. Driving a few blocks on our main street today I noticed a half dozen or so signs in front yards for Obama/Biden. During the primary there were two on that same stretch. Today, for the first time I saw one McAin/Palin sign. Looks like the Democrats here are more proud of their candidates than the Republicans are.
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    Sep 28, 2008 9:29 PM GMT
    MuslDrew said
    CuriousJockAZ saidNothing about Obama is necessarily "Brilliant" -- cunning and calculated maybe -- but "Brilliant"? Not so much


    If he were running on the Republican ticket, how would you feel about him?


    Silly question since there is absolutely nothing even remotely Republican about him. Personally, I don't trust him. I don't trust his background...I don't trust his associations...I don't trust his lack of experience...I don't trust his over-sized ego...His best redeeming feature is that the man can, admittedly, deliver an eloquent speech with charisma and power. He can talk the talk, but I haven't seen a whole lot, if any, proof that he's walked the walk.
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    Sep 28, 2008 9:30 PM GMT
    riptjock saidI don't know, I'm afraid Obama lost much of Middle America during the debate with his pronunciation of "Pahkistahn". I come from a lower middle class, Midwestern, blue collar background, and believe me, something as simple as that makes him look snobbish in their eyes.

    He can say the words "Middle Class" all he wants, but if they feel they're being patronized by an upper class snob, they'll hate him to the grave.



    You mean they will hate a BLACK man, who they think can out speak them. I think to the racists it doesn't matter what or how he says anything!
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    Sep 28, 2008 9:30 PM GMT
    riptjock saidI don't know, I'm afraid Obama lost much of Middle America during the debate with his pronunciation of "Pahkistahn". I come from a lower middle class, Midwestern, blue collar background, and believe me, something as simple as that makes him look snobbish in their eyes.

    He can say the words "Middle Class" all he wants, but if they feel they're being patronized by an upper class snob, they'll hate him to the grave.

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    Sep 28, 2008 9:35 PM GMT
    Thank you for posting the Little Rock video, that is extremely important to see.

    Terry