A curious case of sex discrimination

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    Jan 29, 2013 10:52 PM GMT
    Probable Cause Found in Gay Man’s Discrimination Suit Against Mainstream Domestic Violence Program

    http://gmdvp.org/2012/10/discrimination-against-male-survivor/

    The Massachusetts Commission Against Discrimination (MCAD) has found that a gay male domestic violence survivor has probable cause in his discrimination complaint against the R.O.S.E. Fund.

    The complainant (whose name is being withheld to protect his privacy) is in need of facial reconstructive surgery to repair broken facial bones and teeth suffered during an abusive relationship. The complainant attempted to apply for The R.O.S.E. Fund’s facial reconstructive surgery program but was told that he could not apply due to his sex. The R.O.S.E. Fund routinely provides free access to facial reconstructive surgery to female victims of domestic violence.

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    The R.O.S.E. Fund has defended its policy to limit services to female survivors of domestic violence arguing “that including men it its programs would detract from its purpose, and discourage volunteer and financial supporters.”
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    The State of Massachusetts is clear in its messaging to contractors and grant recipients that state-funded domestic violence services must be available to all survivors. However, some domestic violence programs, such as the R.O.S.E. Fund, have argued that it is appropriate to deny services to victims based on gender. GLBTQ advocates have argued that denying services based on gender and/or sexual orientation is discrimination.

    Does anyone else find it a bit disquieting knowing that if your future boyfriend/partner/husband got abusive, that you'd be denied help by most domestic violence organizations? If you stop and look at all the organizations that provide shelter, health, and rehab services to victims of domestic violence, the overwhelming majority provide service to only women and children. icon_idea.gif
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    Jan 29, 2013 10:56 PM GMT
    Men always get the short end of the stick.

    Hopefully he wins.
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    Jan 29, 2013 11:15 PM GMT
    Would a woman in an abusive lesbian relationship get reconstructive services from the R.O.S.E. Fund? Or are they excluded, too, because of orientation? Or is this strictly gender-based discrimination?
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    Jan 30, 2013 12:26 AM GMT
    ART_DECO saidWould a woman in an abusive lesbian relationship get reconstructive services from the R.O.S.E. Fund? Or are they excluded, too, because of orientation? Or is this strictly gender-based discrimination?


    As far as I know, this is strictly gender-based. The criteria for receiving the facial reconstructive surgery this man was asking for is as follows (directly from the ROSE Fund's website):

    http://www.rosefund.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=19&Itemid=5

    Who can apply for medical/dental reconstructive services and surgeries?
    You can apply if you are:

    -A female survivor of domestic violence who as a direct result of an abusive relationship is in need of a facial and/or dental reconstructive surgery.
    -A resident of New England
    -In a safe place
    -Unable to otherwise pay for the surgery (i.e. can't otherwise afford it)


    Their website makes no mention specifically of lesbian or female homosexual relationships, but I don't see how a lesbian victim of domestic violence wouldn't meet the listed criteria.
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    Jan 30, 2013 12:45 AM GMT
    I do not have a problem with this. There are many organizations that are for gay men. Why on Earth does this guy feel he is entitled to be accepted into a program that was designed for women?
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    Jan 30, 2013 1:21 AM GMT
    Scruffypup saidI do not have a problem with this. There are many organizations that are for gay men. Why on Earth does this guy feel he is entitled to be accepted into a program that was designed for women?


    What if he were a straight man?

    Edit: Technically, the program he's applying for isn't designed for women. The services he's asking for (request to finance facial constructive surgery) isn't gender specific. Now, the physiological differences in male and female facial structure are different, but that's something the doctor performing the surgery concerns himself with, not the organization footing the doc's bill.

    Further, why does this group feel entitled to discriminate based on sex when their funding source specifically says that all programs that receive funding are not allowed to do so?
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    Jan 30, 2013 2:36 AM GMT
    I'm more horrified with the fact that his ex significant other beat him that badly that he needs reconstructive surgery. Most abusers don't go that far, they want to avoid legal ramifications. Poor guy.

    I find it hard to believe that there are many supporters who would not donate if they simple said that they where a non-profit that provides reconstructive surgery for abuse victims vs a non-profit that provides reconstructive surgery for women who've been abused.
  • TheBizMan

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    Jan 30, 2013 3:40 AM GMT
    Scruffypup saidThere are many organizations that are for gay men.

    Really? That offer facial reconstruction for domestic abuse?
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    Jan 30, 2013 4:24 AM GMT
    TheBizMan said
    Scruffypup saidThere are many organizations that are for gay men.

    Really? That offer facial reconstruction for domestic abuse?


    I was dozing off when I commented. No, I have to reverse my opinion now that I've read further.
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    Jan 30, 2013 5:18 PM GMT
    Adozark said
    I find it hard to believe that there are many supporters who would not donate if they simple said that they where a non-profit that provides reconstructive surgery for abuse victims vs a non-profit that provides reconstructive surgery for women who've been abused.


    You'd be surprised. Think about this...who would get more funding? A group such as the ROSE Fund that provides DV services to only women? Or an equivalent group that provides DV services to only men? If the disparity in funding for breast cancer research vs prostate cancer research (despite each disease affecting their respective sex about equally) is any indication, my bet would be that the ROSE Fund would get more funding than an equivalent group for men (despite the fact that there is near gender-symmetry in spousal abuse between men and women).

    It's very instinctual (or perhaps very deeply culturally ingrained and reinforced?) for us to be concerned for the well-being of women and children. The safety and provision of women and children is definitely seen as higher priority than the well-being of men. Look at the Aurora tragedy - the men who took a bullet and died to save their girlfriends/wives were lauded as heroes (ie. these men regarded their girlfriend's lives as more important than their own). While the men who left their girlfriends in the chaos were shamed as cowards - because he had the audacity to regard his own well-being as equal to or more important than that of his girlfriend.

    I suspect that claiming to provide services to only women triggers those same instinctual cues that the needs of women and children come before those of men. A gender-neutral organization would probably not have as great of an instinctual pull; and a men-only organization much less by comparison.
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    Jan 30, 2013 5:37 PM GMT
    Bromoflexual said
    Adozark said
    I find it hard to believe that there are many supporters who would not donate if they simple said that they where a non-profit that provides reconstructive surgery for abuse victims vs a non-profit that provides reconstructive surgery for women who've been abused.


    You'd be surprised. Think about this...who would get more funding? A group such as the ROSE Fund that provides DV services to only women? Or an equivalent group that provides DV services to only men? If the disparity in funding for breast cancer research vs prostate cancer research (despite each disease affecting their respective sex about equally) is any indication, my bet would be that the ROSE Fund would get more funding than an equivalent group for men (despite the fact that there is near gender-symmetry in spousal abuse between men and women).

    It's very instinctual (or perhaps very deeply culturally ingrained and reinforced?) for us to be concerned for the well-being of women and children. The safety and provision of women and children is definitely seen as higher priority than the well-being of men. Look at the Aurora tragedy - the men who took a bullet and died to save their girlfriends/wives were lauded as heroes (ie. these men regarded their girlfriend's lives as more important than their own). While the men who left their girlfriends in the chaos were shamed as cowards - because he had the audacity to regard his own well-being as equal to or more important than that of his girlfriend.

    I suspect that claiming to provide services to only women triggers those same instinctual cues that the needs of women and children come before those of men. A gender-neutral organization would probably not have as great of an instinctual pull; and a men-only organization much less by comparison.


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  • Tombo

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    Jan 30, 2013 6:12 PM GMT
    Well it is a WOMAN'S charity icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Feb 04, 2013 4:27 PM GMT
    Tombo saidWell it is a WOMAN'S charity icon_rolleyes.gif


    A woman's charity that is funded by the State whose policies specifically says all state-funded organizations aren't allowed to discriminate based on sex. icon_rolleyes.gif