McCain On Immigration Reform: Gay Couples Are A ‘Red Flag’ And ‘Not of Paramount Importance’

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    Jan 30, 2013 6:57 AM GMT
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    Senator John McCain (R-AZ) this morning called same-sex binational couples a “red flag” for Republicans, and “not of paramount importance” to immigration reform efforts.”

    Buzzfeed first reported that gay couples would be included in President Obama’s immigration plan, while the Senate’s plan does not include same-sex couples.
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    Jan 30, 2013 1:58 PM GMT
    It's too bad that every time Republicans have an opportunity to not look like fuckwits, they fail.
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    Jan 30, 2013 3:37 PM GMT
    There was a time that McCain was not such a tool. I wonder if he had a stroke or something.
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    Jan 30, 2013 3:39 PM GMT
    Nah, he has always been a tool.
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    Jan 30, 2013 3:45 PM GMT
    smartmoney saidThere was a time that McCain was not such a tool. I wonder if he had a stroke or something.

    He's been erratic for most of his public career. I honestly wonder if he's suffering from untreated PTSD, going back to his Vietnam POW experiences.

    A delicate subject, because of how he would have gotten it. But if he does have PTSD the reason really shouldn't matter, but rather how to deal with it. Not something you want a man in his powerful position to have.
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    Jan 30, 2013 4:00 PM GMT
    smartmoney saidThere was a time that McCain was not such a tool. I wonder if he had a stroke or something.


    I believe his dimwittery started when the Republican party turned far right in Arizona. Add an out-there challenger in the primary for the Senate, and McCain did what he had to do to stay in power.

    Maybe the Republicans had a stroke? icon_eek.gif
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    Jan 30, 2013 4:04 PM GMT
    credo saidNah, he has always been a tool.


    This^^^

    This Rolling Stone article written when he was running for Pres in 2008 sheds a lot of light on the myths and reality of his life. Not a pretty picture...

    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/make-believe-maverick-20081016
  • imbrad

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    Jan 30, 2013 6:29 PM GMT
    He seems tired. I think it's time for him to call it a career and be done with it.

    Red flag for what? Red flag usually implies that it is signalling something to come. Gay couples need to be treated exactly like straight couple as far as immigration. We need to reignite our message to the world that all people are welcome here with promise of a better life. In this day in age America is NOT the land of opportunity and that is a shame.
  • TheBizMan

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    Jan 30, 2013 6:33 PM GMT
    Gay couples as in gay married couples? I thought the only way for an illegal immigrant to become a citizen through any sort of "couple" situation was through marriage. If that's case then nothing will be included about gay couples in the immigration reform as gay married couples are not recognized at the federal level. You can thank DOMA.
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    Jan 30, 2013 6:35 PM GMT
    Love that Rolling Stone article. Sigh.
  • rnch

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    Jan 30, 2013 6:35 PM GMT
    Time for this for this angry old man warmonger to retire.
  • rnch

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    Jan 30, 2013 6:36 PM GMT
    What IS it about politicians from Arizona that makes them so homophobic?

    Too much constant, strong sun??
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    Jan 30, 2013 6:38 PM GMT
    I don't wish death upon many people but in this case he is about 10 years past due.
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    Jan 30, 2013 6:50 PM GMT
    kt8320 said
    credo saidNah, he has always been a tool.


    This^^^

    This Rolling Stone article written when he was running for Pres in 2008 sheds a lot of light on the myths and reality of his life. Not a pretty picture...

    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/make-believe-maverick-20081016


    To be fair,that article is about as biased of an expose as a similar type of piece written about Obama in the New Republic. I'm some of it is true, but there tends to be an awful lot of artistic liberties taken in journalism these days.

    As for his comments, I'm not sure what to think of them. On the surface, it sounds partisan and dismissive. I'm sure that is partially true. Still, I wonder if by "not of paramount importance", he was poorly stating that it's not a major issue because it's not a common issue in comparison to other immigration situations. As someone mentioned on another thread, there are only seven nations that recognize gay marriage, and America is not one of them. I can't imagine most Republicans (although some would), agreeing to a bill on immigration reform that includes protection for same-sex couples when it'll open up a loophole for marriage equality. Of course, I disagree with his position, but I hve a feeling this is what he meant.

    As for "red flag", that inclusion could be considered anything but for conservatives. Many would vote against the bill for that reason alone. Calling it a red flag isn't offensive. It is the truth.
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    Jan 30, 2013 7:09 PM GMT
    Also, I was not saying McCain isn't homophobic or wrong. I believe him to be both. I just think people are probably making too much out of a 10 second soundbite. If anything, I'm irritated that they didn't ask a follow-up question to clarify his statement. I would like to know what he really meant rather than leave it to guessing and innuendo.
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    Jan 30, 2013 9:31 PM GMT
    Why does anyone take anything McCain says seriously? I mean, really, he choose Sarah Palin to be his running mate.
  • calibro

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    Jan 30, 2013 9:42 PM GMT
    immigration reform = getting the hispanic vote

    immigrant gays aren't going to vote gop
  • runnin_stud

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    Jan 30, 2013 9:46 PM GMT
    I wonder what his daughter has to say about this.
  • DanOmatic

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    Jan 30, 2013 9:59 PM GMT
    His wife and daughter have been outspoken before in support of gay rights, though his wife retracted a few statements soon after the GOP machinery came down on her. Embarrassing.

    But yeah, I think McCain has been wanting to prove himself (as what, though--an asshole??) since he allowed himself to get conned by the neo-cons in his party to take on Sarah Palin as a running mate, and then got soundly defeated in the presidential election. He sure has been an angry old man ever since then, that's for sure.
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    Jan 30, 2013 10:02 PM GMT
    calibro saidimmigration reform = getting the hispanic vote

    immigrant gays aren't going to vote gop


    ^100% correct^

    the only reason any republican's are behind this bill and not cock blocking obama on this issue is because they think it will fix their broke voter demographic,

    it will not, but stupid is as stupid does, and we'll take the win.

    Obama's finally figured out the precise formula to get the republicans to bend over and ask for more. sweeeeet!

    can anybody say third term?
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    Jan 30, 2013 10:08 PM GMT
    redsoxfan791 said
    kt8320 said
    credo saidNah, he has always been a tool.




    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/make-believe-maverick-20081016




    As for his comments, I'm not sure what to think of them. On the surface, it sounds partisan and dismissive. I'm sure that is partially true. Still, I wonder if by "not of paramount importance", he was poorly stating that it's not a major issue because it's not a common issue in comparison to other immigration situations.


    I'm not a McCain fan, but I agree "not of paramount importance" is being taken out of context
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    Jan 30, 2013 10:11 PM GMT
    credo saidNah, he has always been a tool.


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    Jan 30, 2013 11:07 PM GMT
    DanOmatic saidHis wife and daughter have been outspoken before in support of gay rights, though his wife retracted a few statements soon after the GOP machinery came down on her. Embarrassing.

    But yeah, I think McCain has been wanting to prove himself (as what, though--an asshole??) since he allowed himself to get conned by the neo-cons in his party to take on Sarah Palin as a running mate, and then got soundly defeated in the presidential election. He sure has been an angry old man ever since then, that's for sure.

    This pretty much summed it all up. I wonder what his daughter thinks of this issue? He lost get over it, move on.
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    Jan 30, 2013 11:21 PM GMT
    Its funny, Newt Gingrich is now supporting same sex marriage, and McCain, who used to be considered a 'moderate' is on the same page with Santorum and the other bigots in the GOP. Very sad. I used to have a lot of respect for John McCain
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    Jan 30, 2013 11:28 PM GMT
    McCain is just an old jaded closet fag who hates himself for never coming out of the closet.