Steroids/ Juicing..

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    Feb 01, 2013 1:20 AM GMT
    I originally joined this website to seek guidance on bodybuilding and working out. I was never the type to be health conscious, i ate like crazy all the wrong things and was starting to gain weight fast. So i found out about this website through a friend and i can honestly say that the workout advice and routines on here actually worked in my favor and helped me to understand bodybuilding and weightlifting on a whole. I have seen the gains and i can honestly say that my dating life has dramatically improved even though i shy away from it as its not that important to me. However i have reached a plateau in my training and i have actually considered using enhancement drugs int he future. And i feel that what you see (my results) is actually all that can be achieved by working out the proper way without enhancement drugs. Sometimes i log on here and i just go through profiles and i see guys all ripped, shredded and huge. And i know from experience of years of working out myself, that its not possible to achieve such perfection unless you are using steroids. It baffles me that some guys even get upset that you mention that they gained such perfection from steroids., i would even go the extra lengths to ask..why are guys ashamed of admitting that yes they used steroids? And if they did use it, why make it such a secret? Why not help/ guide others who might want to indulge and see prolific changes with their own bodies? I just don't understand why on real jock the issue of using steroids or Juicing is such a taboo subject not worth discussing or admitting to.
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    Feb 01, 2013 6:37 AM GMT
    Finally! I wish I could afford a good cycle to do it properly! If anyone can help me out that would be the feces! I don't see anything wrong with it and it should be legal. I wish it wasn't so taboo.
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    Feb 01, 2013 6:40 AM GMT
    tereseus1 said It baffles me that some guys even get upset that you mention that they gained such perfection from steroids., i would even go the extra lengths to ask..why are guys ashamed of admitting that yes they used steroids? And if they did use it, why make it such a secret? Why not help/ guide others who might want to indulge and see prolific changes with their own bodies? I just don't understand why on real jock the issue of using steroids or Juicing is such a taboo subject not worth discussing or admitting to.


    That's just how it is. Tons of guys use steroids and pretend they don't, they get worshiped for their bodies. When guys admit to using/wanting to use steroids they get dragged through the gutter.
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    Feb 01, 2013 6:50 AM GMT
    Prior to 1988, AAS (steroids are those hormones soluble in lipids. E.g., cortisol, estrogen, testosterone. AAS are androgenic and anabolic: testosterone and its esters, nor19, and DHT derivatives.). AAS were OTC, and you could walk into any vet supply and buy them (you still can, to some extent). In 1991, despite no single agency recommending they be controlled, they were.

    Only a fool admits to criminal behavior, that, perhaps, morally, is not criminal, but, was outlawed with the stroke of a pen. (Sodomy was illegal in Texas until just about 7 years ago.)

    Folks like Lance Armstrong can talk about it now, because the criminal statute of limitations has expired on his activity.

    While the dangers are largely over stated, and the benefits largely understated, and some information just flat untrue, drug policy in the U.S. is as it is until it gets changed. Even though science says there's no reason to make AAS controlled, Congress spent millions on baseball, football, etc....yet couldn't pass a budget.

    AAS aren't serious criminal offenses in most countries and are completely legal in a number.

    You should be mindful that there are dozens of AAS "boards" hosted abroad. Real Jock is NOT that sort of site.

    There are millions of AAS users world wide, and domestically. You can spot them with a glance.

    Like anything, there's a risk we assume when we do whatever, whether it's driving a car, or whatever.

    Many, many, many folks have benefited from AAS, in geriatric, HIV, and mental health areas. AAS promote a sense of well being that has been well documented.

    HRT is hugely popular with middle age men that wish to maintain an active lifestyle. Some like a little extra. Drug companies rape folks on ED drugs, and stuff like testosterone.

    If it was about saving lives, which it isn't, we'd outlaw fat people, because it has a much higher risk of mortality than AAS, or NSAID use.
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    tereseus1 said It baffles me that some guys even get upset that you mention that they gained such perfection from steroids., i would even go the extra lengths to ask..why are guys ashamed of admitting that yes they used steroids? And if they did use it, why make it such a secret? Why not help/ guide others who might want to indulge and see prolific changes with their own bodies? I just don't understand why on real jock the issue of using steroids or Juicing is such a taboo subject not worth discussing or admitting to.


    That's just how it is. Tons of guys use steroids and pretend they don't, they get worshiped for their bodies. When guys admit to using/wanting to use steroids they get dragged through the gutter.


    Like a lot of stuff, youth, and the non-athletic public, are ignorant about sport, and The Real World, in general.

    E.g., Everyone Lance was competing against that was in the money was using EPO (not AAS) to raise RBCs. There was no test. Folks weren't bullied that weren't using...they simply lost.

    Drugs, whether caffeine or AAS, or beta blockers, or speed, etc., have been part and parcel of sport since the beginning of time.
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    Feb 01, 2013 6:56 AM GMT
    Chuckles777 saidFinally! I wish I could afford a good cycle to do it properly! If anyone can help me out that would be the feces! I don't see anything wrong with it and it should be legal. I wish it wasn't so taboo.


    You need food.
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    Feb 01, 2013 8:11 AM GMT
    Most of the gays on this site think huge muscles are icky gross. That's why steroid users are frowned upon here. icon_lol.gif
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    Feb 01, 2013 9:22 AM GMT

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    Feb 01, 2013 11:47 AM GMT
    tereseus1 saidI originally joined this website to seek guidance on bodybuilding and working out. I was never the type to be health conscious, i ate like crazy all the wrong things and was starting to gain weight fast. So i found out about this website through a friend and i can honestly say that the workout advice and routines on here actually worked in my favor and helped me to understand bodybuilding and weightlifting on a whole. I have seen the gains and i can honestly say that my dating life has dramatically improved even though i shy away from it as its not that important to me. However i have reached a plateau in my training and i have actually considered using enhancement drugs int he future. And i feel that what you see (my results) is actually all that can be achieved by working out the proper way without enhancement drugs. Sometimes i log on here and i just go through profiles and i see guys all ripped, shredded and huge. And i know from experience of years of working out myself, that its not possible to achieve such perfection unless you are using steroids. It baffles me that some guys even get upset that you mention that they gained such perfection from steroids., i would even go the extra lengths to ask..why are guys ashamed of admitting that yes they used steroids? And if they did use it, why make it such a secret? Why not help/ guide others who might want to indulge and see prolific changes with their own bodies? I just don't understand why on real jock the issue of using steroids or Juicing is such a taboo subject not worth discussing or admitting to.
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    I don't use them myself, but I don't have any problem with steroids in general. Honestly, I feel they're misunderstood because of the stigma created by organizations like WADA and the IOC--who honestly do more to progress steroid advances than actually stop usage.

    The problem with steroids aren't necessarily their effects, but the potential for abuse. If people were willing to do the research, take them under physician's care, and use them as prescribed; they could be hugely beneficial to the public.

    And since I don't think anyone's said this, but steroids or not, you have a rocking body.
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    Feb 01, 2013 11:56 AM GMT
    steroids for breakfast!
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    tereseus1 saidI originally joined this website to seek guidance on bodybuilding and working out. I was never the type to be health conscious, i ate like crazy all the wrong things and was starting to gain weight fast. So i found out about this website through a friend and i can honestly say that the workout advice and routines on here actually worked in my favor and helped me to understand bodybuilding and weightlifting on a whole. I have seen the gains and i can honestly say that my dating life has dramatically improved even though i shy away from it as its not that important to me. However i have reached a plateau in my training and i have actually considered using enhancement drugs int he future. And i feel that what you see (my results) is actually all that can be achieved by working out the proper way without enhancement drugs. Sometimes i log on here and i just go through profiles and i see guys all ripped, shredded and huge. And i know from experience of years of working out myself, that its not possible to achieve such perfection unless you are using steroids. It baffles me that some guys even get upset that you mention that they gained such perfection from steroids., i would even go the extra lengths to ask..why are guys ashamed of admitting that yes they used steroids? And if they did use it, why make it such a secret? Why not help/ guide others who might want to indulge and see prolific changes with their own bodies? I just don't understand why on real jock the issue of using steroids or Juicing is such a taboo subject not worth discussing or admitting to.
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    I don't use them myself, but I don't have any problem with steroids in general. Honestly, I feel they're misunderstood because of the stigma created by organizations like WADA and the IOC--who honestly do more to progress steroid advances than actually stop usage.

    The problem with steroids aren't necessarily their effects, but the potential for abuse. If people were willing to do the research, take them under physician's care, and use them as prescribed; they could be hugely beneficial to the public.

    And since I don't think anyone's said this, but steroids or not, you have a rocking body.



    icon_razz.gif thank you..im smiling a lil bit. But you made a interesting point. The fact that it can be used in a manner by which you wont harm yourself. And its the abusers who actually made it possible for any argument or debate be developed about nationwide ban. I believe if you use it properly you wont see side effects...This is why i ask whether or not guys on here who use would hypothetically shed some insight on the use of steroids...whereby anyone whos reading who might be interested..would no become an abuser but a responsible user.
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    Feb 01, 2013 1:22 PM GMT
    1] you have a great [GREAT] body
    2]there is one guy here who made a thread about him taking steroids,
    hope this works
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2677844
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    Apr 17, 2013 3:25 PM GMT
    HI Tereseus1,

    Overall peer reviewed research suggests that steroids come with substantial risk to reward ratio (excluding the risk/reward in treatment of chronic disorders). Particularly, AAS causes impairment of cognition [1], causes hypertrophy in the left ventricle [2] leading to cardiac arrest, and causes damage to kidneys [3].

    Additionally, HRT is becoming popular with certain segments of the population. Though no current long term studies have been conducted to measure the risks of HRT for men, similar studies found HRT to cause cancer in women.

    So, AAS should not be taboo, but there is a clear risk/reward ratio that should be considered. Unfortunately, the average user interprets results based on what they want the outcome to be instead of considering the evidence based science. Bottom line ... you should exercise to feel good about yourself and be healthy and NOT be concerned about what others think.

    Please feel free to e-mail. I love chatting up exercise programs for fun!!!!!!!!

    [1] http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0376871612004498
    [2] http://circheartfailure.ahajournals.org/content/3/4/472
    [3] http://www.renalandurologynews.com/issue/february/01/2010/1836/
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    wave saidSo, AAS should not be taboo, but there is a clear risk/reward ratio that should be considered. Unfortunately, the average user interprets results based on what they want the outcome to be instead of considering the evidence based science.

    Excellent point! It is not without risks. A lot of people don't consider risk factors in depth.

    Also you don't just take it and get huge. You still need to be able to train and eat right to get to the point you want. And then, off cycle, you still need to continue training and eating to maintain your gains. In addition a lot of people talk of going on AAS but don't pay proper attention to PCT.
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    Apr 17, 2013 11:48 PM GMT
    A lot of people who choose to use AAS are generally embarrassed about using so keep it on the DL and then you've got the blokes who love to rage about using this, this and that it totally depends on the person who is using.

    With everything in life there's always going to be associated "risks" but people often push them aside without looking to much into it because if we did look in depth into the risks of everything most of us would be too scared to leave the house.

    What really surprises me is when people jump into it without researching what chemicals their putting into themselves and how to use it correctly etc.
    I was speaking to a bloke around my age at the gym a few weeks back and he asked me if I was using AAS (Which I'm not) but in the end he was just looking for a "hook up" but he was just after testosterone and testosterone alone which scared the living day lights out of me.
    People just think that can smack a few mls of liquid into themselves and they will be a super man character but its quiet the contrary.
    People need to shovel the food down by the bucket load in order to sustain such muscle growth, they need the exercise harder and stronger, you should always have an AI on board in the case of Gyno and other high Estrogen side effects to counter act it and then we need to talk about PCT and whats needed for that.

    Its a big "game" to undertake and I personally believe if one does choose to go down this path that all usage should be under the care and supervision of your GP as this is the only way id choose to do AAS but I know this is unlikely to ever happen.
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    Apr 18, 2013 12:16 AM GMT
    wave saidHI Tereseus1,

    Overall peer reviewed research suggests that steroids come with substantial risk to reward ratio (excluding the risk/reward in treatment of chronic disorders). Particularly, AAS causes impairment of cognition [1], causes hypertrophy in the left ventricle [2] leading to cardiac arrest, and causes damage to kidneys [3].

    Additionally, HRT is becoming popular with certain segments of the population. Though no current long term studies have been conducted to measure the risks of HRT for men, similar studies found HRT to cause cancer in women.

    So, AAS should not be taboo, but there is a clear risk/reward ratio that should be considered. Unfortunately, the average user interprets results based on what they want the outcome to be instead of considering the evidence based science. Bottom line ... you should exercise to feel good about yourself and be healthy and NOT be concerned about what others think.

    Please feel free to e-mail. I love chatting up exercise programs for fun!!!!!!!!

    [1] http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0376871612004498
    [2] http://circheartfailure.ahajournals.org/content/3/4/472
    [3] http://www.renalandurologynews.com/issue/february/01/2010/1836/



    If you don't understand how to read and interpret scientific studies then why are you going out of your way to cite them? Clearly, you need to be concerned about what is causing your cognitive impairment. FIgure it out and then you can start a fear campaign since you have nothing better to do with your life.

    Let me spell it out for you pumpkin- Anything you put in your body CAN have side effects. Certain antibiotics that are taken by millions of people are associated with tendon ruptures, but do those millions all have tendon ruptures? Adderall has a black box warning because it can cause cardiac arrest. Do the millions of people taking adderall have only moments left to live until their heart gives out? There are studies associated with hundreds of drugs and hormones that show a pattern of risk, generally in a small portion of the study group. You believe those studies say that there is a direct cause and effect relationship and fail to understand what "evidence based science" even means. Not to mention you don't even come close to understanding the fact that there are very few studies that aren't fundamentally flawed.

    Finally, could you please contact Mr. Swartzenegger and tell him that his cognitive impairment prevented him from making 200 million dollars and running a large state. Also, mention that you see dead people and you are there to advise him that he actually died of cardiac arrest decades ago.
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    Apr 18, 2013 12:37 AM GMT
    the problem is tha the guys taking them will not admit that they are. I see it all the time in my gym. If they are doing it fine, just admit it but why deny doing it

    For me I have never done it but the people who that I know who do it generally have done alot of research and talked to other responsible people who have done it to make sure they do it right. Most of the time young people are flat out doing it wrong and not up on their research leading to epic fails
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    Apr 18, 2013 12:50 AM GMT
    HVH is typical in weight trained athletes. I've been weight training for 39 years. My LV is 14 mm. I'm 5'5", 52 years old, 210#. Now, that's NOT LVH, nor athlete's heart. 14mm is GOOD. My BP is 112/67 (but varies depending on what I eat, etc.). My PSA is a 0.4.

    Most reliable studies dispute some of the crap mentioned above.

    Bottom line: the vast majority of AAS use it to promote a sense of well being (it's a great anti-depressant), to allow them to remain active as they age, cosmetics (they wanna' be hot), they want to prevent diseases of aging, and maintain cognitive function and...if they are HIV positive, they want to stay alive and feel good. That's reality. It's not teenagers, nor even pro athletes that are the majority of users. The majority of users are well educated guys, in good paying jobs, that take their health seriously and use juice in a cosmetic and life enhancing way.

    It's the jealous speculation / envy of the person mouthing off that is annoying. Gosh "that person must eat like a pig" or "he has bitch tits...he must smoke a bunch of pot".

    AAS use allow athletes to train heavier, train longer, recover faster, make better gains, stay leaner, and age more slower, because that's what AAS do.

    Clearly, being in a smokey room is less risky than AAS. Risks are around us everywhere.

    The biggest jeopardy from AAS is legal issues, by far and above.

    Cialis, viagra, fake tits...are all legal because they've been monetized so successful. AAS remain illegal despite science to the contrary, but, HRT makes a 30000% profit for Big Pharm. It's huge money for them.

    The difference between a 70 year old man juiced and not...is nothing short of remarkable.

    Because the failed War On Drugs criminalized AAS use in 1991, folks can't and SHOULD NOT talk about use openly. It could ruin their lives. That's what happens with failed drug policy.

    More likely to cause all the problems mentioned above is essential hypertension; not AAS.
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    wave said
    If you don't understand how to read and interpret scientific studies then why are you going out of your way to cite them?
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    what "evidence based science" even means. Not to mention you don't even come close to understanding the fact that there are very few studies that aren't fundamentally flawed.
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    Anything you put in your body CAN have side effects.
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    Finally, could you please contact Mr. Swartzenegger and tell him that his cognitive impairment...


    Hi Thechad!!!

    Thanks for taking the time to read my post! Understanding scientific literature is not simple and to the majority it's very inaccessible. In regards to your post, I have read the papers. They are quite excellent. I encourage you to do the same!

    Additionally, 'evidence based science' references that one needs to apply the scientific method with the inclusion of evidence as found in research literature when making conclusions. Though you cite a single example to suggest that cognition is not impaired from AAS that would be a sample size of one. Such a consideration is not statistically significant. If you read the research paper, it addresses a particular cognitive impairment. As to whether Arnold Schwarzenegger suffers or doesn't suffer from such impairment is pure speculation. I refer you back to my original post with the cited paper.

    Though it is true that many medicines and therapies pose risk factors, users should consider the reward to risk ratio. If a chronic illness is present, the risks associated from treatment may be insignificant compared to not treating the illness. Recreational use of AAS for comsmetic reasons pose a significant risk to users.

    As for studies being fundamentally flawed, could you please give examples of this? This is a broad generalization that most likely results from not knowing how research is conducted. Please feel free to drop me a line, and I can provide you with a tutorial on how studies are performed! I can also discuss with you the differences between cause/effect and correlation.

    Thanks again!!!!!!!!

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    Apr 18, 2013 4:21 AM GMT
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    wave saidHI Tereseus1,

    Overall peer reviewed research suggests that steroids come with substantial risk to reward ratio (excluding the risk/reward in treatment of chronic disorders). Particularly, AAS causes impairment of cognition [1], causes hypertrophy in the left ventricle [2] leading to cardiac arrest, and causes damage to kidneys [3].

    Additionally, HRT is becoming popular with certain segments of the population. Though no current long term studies have been conducted to measure the risks of HRT for men, similar studies found HRT to cause cancer in women.

    So, AAS should not be taboo, but there is a clear risk/reward ratio that should be considered. Unfortunately, the average user interprets results based on what they want the outcome to be instead of considering the evidence based science. Bottom line ... you should exercise to feel good about yourself and be healthy and NOT be concerned about what others think.

    Please feel free to e-mail. I love chatting up exercise programs for fun!!!!!!!!

    [1] http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0376871612004498
    [2] http://circheartfailure.ahajournals.org/content/3/4/472
    [3] http://www.renalandurologynews.com/issue/february/01/2010/1836/



    If you don't understand how to read and interpret scientific studies then why are you going out of your way to cite them? Clearly, you need to be concerned about what is causing your cognitive impairment. FIgure it out and then you can start a fear campaign since you have nothing better to do with your life.

    Let me spell it out for you pumpkin- Anything you put in your body CAN have side effects. Certain antibiotics that are taken by millions of people are associated with tendon ruptures, but do those millions all have tendon ruptures? Adderall has a black box warning because it can cause cardiac arrest. Do the millions of people taking adderall have only moments left to live until their heart gives out? There are studies associated with hundreds of drugs and hormones that show a pattern of risk, generally in a small portion of the study group. You believe those studies say that there is a direct cause and effect relationship and fail to understand what "evidence based science" even means. Not to mention you don't even come close to understanding the fact that there are very few studies that aren't fundamentally flawed.

    Finally, could you please contact Mr. Swartzenegger and tell him that his cognitive impairment prevented him from making 200 million dollars and running a large state. Also, mention that you see dead people and you are there to advise him that he actually died of cardiac arrest decades ago.


    Medication given can have a much smaller effect on the body than pumping yourself way past your saturation point of testosterone.

    Also, Arnold making money doesnt make him smart, it makes him a sell out. He sold an image of a roided out action hero, that is it.

    Seriously dude, do you even think before you type? Your post alone is enough proof for cognitive impairment.
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    chuckystud said
    Most reliable studies dispute some of the crap mentioned above.
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    More likely to cause all the problems mentioned above is essential hypertension; not AAS.


    Hi Chuckystud,

    Thanks for reading my post! Some studies do find differences, but science is an ongoing conversation. Unfortunately, it is far too easy for non-experts or those without technical training to pick up only 'bits' of that conversation and draw inaccurate conclusions. The common scenario being that only the benefits of an effect are considered and not the negative results. One should also consider the general consensus of the literature and any meta-analysis performed. Please feel free to cite said papers, as mentioned in your comment, that are in conflict with scientific literature.

    As for hypertension being the cause of the stated side effects from AAS, please consider reading the research papers as they clearly explain their methodology. The papers clearly show the effects being related to AAS use.

    Also, I'm happy to hear that you are currently healthly icon_smile.gif Unfortunately, a single example being generalized is a fallacy of composition. As an FYI for AAS users:
    http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/Conditions/HeartAttack/WarningSignsofaHeartAttack/Warning-Signs-of-a-Heart-Attack_UCM_002039_Article.jsp

    Thanks again!!!!!!!!
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    i stay away from as many chemicals/processed/unnatural things as much as possible

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    tereseus1 said I just don't understand why on real jock the issue of using steroids or Juicing is such a taboo subject not worth discussing or admitting to.



    First, using steroids and NOT having a prescription is Illegal, so no one in their right mind is going to come on RealJock and admit that they use drugs illegally. How stupid it would be for someone to inform the entire world, including the feds, DEA, FBI, and any other government agency that is monitoring the internet for illegal transactions and conversations, that they are using illegal, banned and controlled substances.

    Second, with that being said, I agree that it's a shame that many guys (believe me, there are plenty of them here on RealJock who use steroids) hide the fact that they use them. I don't have a problem with guys using steroids, but what pisses me off is that guys boast about their hard work, determination and sacrifice in the gym but deny that they use steroids. I have bodybuilder friends that are always talking about how hard they train, that no one can even come close to matching their workout intensity, etc, but they always conveniently leave out the fact that they are using close to a thousand dollars a month of HGH, AAS, Insulin and other bodybuilding supplements. Of course you train harder than most everyone else because your body is healing and recuperating faster than everyone else, no to mention you can workout harder and more intensely while on gear.

    Third, there are many threads on RealJock talking about AAS, HGH and other bodybuilding supplements. Only a fool would believe that half of the guys here DON'T use steroids. Come on! Don't be stupid. I guarantee you that if you close your eyes, throw a cat up into the air, it would come falling down on a gay dude here with a syringe in his ass! Steroid use is rampant in the gay community, in the sports community, so combining those two communities, the chances of finding someone using steroids in the gay, athletic community is incredibly likely. Let's just say that I have yet to meet a gay guy who has muscles and workouts religiously that doesn't use steroids, and I'm not talking about your 150lb to 180lbs guys that workout. I'm talking about guys that are well over 200lbs with chiseled abs and ripped pecs, not skinny guys with abs who are barely 180lbs while wet.

    Fourth, many of the guys here that bitch about people using steroids are complete hypocrites because if you go to their "Hot Lists" they will have over half them, if not all of them, that use steroids. Ask them whom their favorite porn stars are, and I guarantee you that they will be some juiced up, muscle freaks. Not all of them, but majority of these guys will always post pictures in forums of hot, ripped guys who clearly use steroids. They worship these beasts, but then deride them for using steroids. Stop being hypocrites! Only watch twinks or bears fuck (never muscle bears, bodybuilders or jacked-up jocks) From now on stop worshiping huge muscle guys if all you're going to do is hypocritically bash them. If it's such a huge problem in our gay community, then STOP feeding the problem. icon_rolleyes.gif

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    skinny guys who are barely 180lbs while wet

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    Apr 19, 2013 1:43 PM GMT
    Here's another excellent study showing high blood pressure (hypertension) as a side effect of AAS (steroids) use [1]. Hypertension can lead to serious issues such as heart disease. It is not uncommon that most AAS users either had or will have some form of heart disease.

    A more accessible exposition on recreational steroid use can be found here [2]. As mentioned by one of the supporters of recreational AAS use above (see above posts), some research in treating wasting in HIV patients has been done. In this article, the researcher discusses steroid use leading to heart disease and liver damage. Again, as previously mentioned, there is a clear reward to risk value in taking AAS for cosmetic reasons. If a serious illness is present that risk may be minimal compared to the illness. In users who are not afflicted with an illness and take AAS for recreation and cosmetics those risk factors should be clearly communicated and understood.

    [1] http://www.jsams.org/article/S1440-2440%2803%2980024-5/abstract
    [2] http://www.ucsf.edu/news/2006/02/5391/anabolic-steroid-use-increases-heart-attack-risk-and-causes-liver-damage