Former NYC mayor, Ed Koch, just passed.

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    Feb 01, 2013 3:10 PM GMT
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/01/ed-koch-dead-nyc-mayor-obituary_n_2597207.html
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    Feb 01, 2013 3:20 PM GMT
    That's why I put it in 'News and Politics'.

    I thought he was a good guy with a strong independent streak.
  • Muscles25

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    Feb 01, 2013 5:27 PM GMT
    Passed? Gas?

    He stayed in the closet his whole life.

    Coward.
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    Feb 01, 2013 6:19 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidA true gay icon!


    I don't think he ever said he was gay
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  • TroyAthlete

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    Feb 01, 2013 6:26 PM GMT
    A good guy.
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    Feb 01, 2013 6:30 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidA true gay icon!


    Funny, I've never heard of these 'gay' allegations until now.
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    Feb 01, 2013 6:32 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    southbeach1500 saidA true gay icon!


    Funny, I've never heard of these 'gay' allegations until now.


    Pretty widespread for many years.

    Look at his NYT obit. "But no proof was offered, and, except for two affirmations in radio interviews that he was heterosexual, he responded to the rumors with silence or a rebuke. 'Whether I am straight or gay or bisexual is nobody’s business but mine,' he wrote in “Citizen Koch,” his 1992 autobiography."

    No one straight says that. No one.
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    Feb 01, 2013 6:33 PM GMT
    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/02/01/farewell-to-ed-koch-uniquely-irrepressible-and-larger-than-life/
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    Feb 01, 2013 6:34 PM GMT
    showme said
    freedomisntfree said
    southbeach1500 saidA true gay icon!


    Funny, I've never heard of these 'gay' allegations until now.


    Pretty widespread for many years.

    Look at his NYT obit. "But no proof was offered, and, except for two affirmations in radio interviews that he was heterosexual, he responded to the rumors with silence or a rebuke. 'Whether I am straight or gay or bisexual is nobody’s business but mine,' he wrote in “Citizen Koch,” his 1992 autobiography."

    No one straight says that. No one.


    Great answer actually.
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    Feb 01, 2013 6:36 PM GMT
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    showme said
    freedomisntfree said
    southbeach1500 saidA true gay icon!


    Funny, I've never heard of these 'gay' allegations until now.


    Pretty widespread for many years.

    Look at his NYT obit. "But no proof was offered, and, except for two affirmations in radio interviews that he was heterosexual, he responded to the rumors with silence or a rebuke. 'Whether I am straight or gay or bisexual is nobody’s business but mine,' he wrote in “Citizen Koch,” his 1992 autobiography."

    No one straight says that. No one.


    Great answer actually.


    Lol, yeah, if you want people to think you're gay but afraid of admitting it.
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    Feb 01, 2013 6:41 PM GMT
    showme said
    freedomisntfree said
    showme said
    freedomisntfree said
    southbeach1500 saidA true gay icon!


    Funny, I've never heard of these 'gay' allegations until now.


    Pretty widespread for many years.

    Look at his NYT obit. "But no proof was offered, and, except for two affirmations in radio interviews that he was heterosexual, he responded to the rumors with silence or a rebuke. 'Whether I am straight or gay or bisexual is nobody’s business but mine,' he wrote in “Citizen Koch,” his 1992 autobiography."

    No one straight says that. No one.


    Great answer actually.


    Lol, yeah, if you want people to think you're gay but afraid of admitting it.


    His 1992 autobiography.

    I for one could care less one way or the other.
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    Feb 01, 2013 6:43 PM GMT
    Aristoshark saidBeing in the closet had consequences. Like Reagan, he could scarcely say the word "AIDS" until six years into the epidemic. For political reasons, he cozied up to Cardinal O'Connor, who made it plain that in order to keep his patronage, Koch was to do nothing about AIDS. If there is a hell, O'Connor is welcoming Koch into it sometime this morning.

    Politics makes strange bedfellows. And given the Catholic population of NYC, opposing and alienating the Cardinal who reigns from St. Patrick's Cathedral really isn't an option for any NYC Mayor, even a Jewish one.

    But the AIDS matter is more troubling, if true as you state. Is there hard evidence that Koch did a quid pro quo with O'Connor on AIDS?
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    Feb 01, 2013 6:45 PM GMT
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    His 1992 autobiography.

    I for one could care less one way or the other.


    My personal answer would have been the same in 1992 but it is true, times have changed. I don't think the ever changed his tune, though.
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    Feb 01, 2013 6:47 PM GMT
    I spent a lot of time in NYC when Koch was mayor. He was a very capable administrator and he did many good things for the city.
    The rampant speculation was that he was gay, but didn't get out much, sexually speaking. Maybe even never.
    A popular joke was that the mayor's residence (Gracie Mansion) once placed an order with a local deli for some groceries to be delivered. On the list was virgin olive oil. As the clerk on the phone called out the items to be bagged for the delivery, he said. "And give me a virgin for Gracie Mansion." The cry came back from the grocery aisle. "Gracie's already got a virgin!"
    Hey... it's not my joke. icon_lol.gif
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    Feb 01, 2013 6:47 PM GMT
    Aristoshark saidBeing in the closet had consequences. Like Reagan, he could scarcely say the word "AIDS" until six years into the epidemic. For political reasons, he cozied up to Cardinal O'Connor, who made it plain that in order to keep his patronage, Koch was to do nothing about AIDS. If there is a hell, O'Connor is welcoming Koch into it sometime this morning.


    Hate speech from the Left is just as awful and hateful as hate speech from the Right.
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    Feb 01, 2013 6:48 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    southbeach1500 saidA true gay icon!


    Funny, I've never heard of these 'gay' allegations until now.


    You must be living under a rock. I'm in my 20s and I knew that Ed Koch was gay. Worst kept secret in NYC.
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    Feb 01, 2013 6:48 PM GMT
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    Aristoshark saidBeing in the closet had consequences. Like Reagan, he could scarcely say the word "AIDS" until six years into the epidemic. For political reasons, he cozied up to Cardinal O'Connor, who made it plain that in order to keep his patronage, Koch was to do nothing about AIDS. If there is a hell, O'Connor is welcoming Koch into it sometime this morning.


    Hate speech from the Left is just as awful and hateful as hate speech from the Right.


    Perhaps. But the above ain't hate speech.
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    Feb 01, 2013 6:56 PM GMT
    Muscles25 said
    freedomisntfree said
    southbeach1500 saidA true gay icon!


    Funny, I've never heard of these 'gay' allegations until now.


    You must be living under a rock. I'm in my 20s and I knew that Ed Koch was gay. Worst kept secret in NYC.


    "under a rock"? "Worst kept secret in NYC" I'm not in NYC.

    Maybe it's just that I could care less what he did in his private life.
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    Feb 01, 2013 6:57 PM GMT
    GWriter saidI spent a lot of time in NYC when Koch was mayor. He was a very capable administrator and he did many good things for the city.
    The rampant speculation was that he was gay, but didn't get out much, sexually speaking. Maybe even never.
    A popular joke was that the mayor's residence (Gracie Mansion) once placed an order with a local deli for some groceries to be delivered. On the list was virgin olive oil. As the clerk on the phone called out the items to be bagged for the delivery, he said. "And give me a virgin for Gracie Mansion." The cry came back from the grocery aisle. "Gracie's already got a virgin!"
    Hey... it's not my joke. icon_lol.gif


    Agreed!
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    Feb 01, 2013 7:24 PM GMT
    He was as queer as they come, and the gay community in NY knew it.

    Koch was a good man, but, like Reagan, he turned his back on the gay community during the AIDS epidemic. Koch's lack of compassion and his desire to stay in favor with religious leaders resulted in the death of thousands.

    I always felt sorry for him (and the young men f**king him), but he won't be missed.
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    Feb 01, 2013 8:37 PM GMT
    showme said
    Muscles25 said
    Aristoshark saidBeing in the closet had consequences. Like Reagan, he could scarcely say the word "AIDS" until six years into the epidemic. For political reasons, he cozied up to Cardinal O'Connor, who made it plain that in order to keep his patronage, Koch was to do nothing about AIDS. If there is a hell, O'Connor is welcoming Koch into it sometime this morning.


    Hate speech from the Left is just as awful and hateful as hate speech from the Right.


    Perhaps. But the above ain't hate speech.


    Yes, it is. Your inability to see that is part of what makes you a hater.
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    Feb 01, 2013 8:46 PM GMT
    ^ Oh good lord.

    Just to keep it simple, I'll use the Wikipedia definition: "Hate speech is, outside the law, communication that vilifies a person or a group on the basis of one or more characteristics such as color, disability, ethnicity, gender, nationality, race, religion, and sexual orientation."

    The above does none of these. It's a very strongly held political opinion about actual historical facts and events.
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    Feb 01, 2013 8:56 PM GMT
    I've seen him naked. Lots.

    In 1999 I briefly belonged to New York Sports Club on 51st and Lex and I'd oftentimes see him weighing himself naked on a scale directly in front of the entrance to the men's locker room or in the waiting area of the physical therapist's office on a row of chairs out in the open on the gym floor underneath the type of wall of celebrity client head shots you'd see in a diner.

    I really wish there were camera phones then because I'd have taken a picture for the ages, the type that would've been the "Just One More" photo on the last page of "Life Magazine" - one day at the gym there was Koch seated in the public waiting area, almost unrecognizable, hair ratted and askew, crusty-eyed in a ragged undershirt seated directly beneath the perfectly coiffed, tailored image of his own professional headshot. The contrast was both startling and hysterical. I can only leave you with that mental image, which will hopefully obliterate the one of him naked - I still have nightmares.

    My great aunt was his neighbor at 14 Washington Place just east of Washington Square Park where he somehow evaded NYU eviction maintaining a rent controlled $475/mo apartment while living at Gracie Mansion for over a decade: http://realestate.aol.com/blog/2013/02/01/ed-koch-rent-controlled-apartment/. It was probably identical to hers - an elegant prewar alcove studio with a foyer with iron railings leading to sunken living room with huge casement window overlooking the skyline and under an arch a sleeping alcove. No tales of naked sightings from her, thank God, but then again she wasn't his type.
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    Feb 01, 2013 9:11 PM GMT
    showme said^ Oh good lord.

    Just to keep it simple, I'll use the Wikipedia definition: "Hate speech is, outside the law, communication that vilifies a person or a group on the basis of one or more characteristics such as color, disability, ethnicity, gender, nationality, race, religion, and sexual orientation."

    The above does none of these. It's a very strongly held political opinion about actual historical facts and events.


    Hate speech .... hardly. We see plenty of hate speech around here and that doesn't even approach it.
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    Feb 01, 2013 10:16 PM GMT
    I thought one's sexuality wasn't supposed to matter, that it was a person's character that mattered.

    That said, things are different today than in his day. A man from his era who is in the spotlight would keep private matters private. Today people come out, and it's not a scandal anymore, it's just another news story that few care about.

    Edward Irving Koch, WWll Infantryman, I've always admired you. God Bless you, may you rest in peace. icon_neutral.gif