Is the financial crisis in the US affecting the Canadian election?

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    Sep 30, 2008 5:43 PM GMT
    Just wondering if the Harper and the conservatives are being dragged down by the mess in America that is being blamed on the Republicans.

    I see Harper pulled a Biden, too

    Canadian PM accused of plagiarizing speech

    Story Highlights

    Opposition says Stephen Harper speech was copied from one by Australian PM

    Speech, supporting Iraq war, came when Harper was opposition leader in 2003

    Harper spokesman says speech was five years ago, issue not relevant now

    Candidates to hold debates this week ahead of October 14 election


    http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americas/09/30/canada.election.ap/index.html

  • OptimusMatt

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    Sep 30, 2008 9:04 PM GMT
    I don't think so - our 5 major banks are all doing fine financially. If profits are a standard by which you can measure a banks success...they all posted record profits this year, I do believe. The impact on the TSX though was substantial but there's nothing we can do to fix your financial district so people kinda...don't care all that much.

    Honestly, US finance isn't a big kicker in the canadian elections (as far as I've seen, anyways). Not like the softwood agreements, which people are STILL pissed off about. Definitely made Canadian headlines though. Every paper's been running front-page coverage on it, even my local ones.

    Now the carbon tax...THAT'S pissing some people off. Personally, I like the green's 'tax-shifting' platform, but I don't like their whole 'anti-nuclear' bent. So I'm probably still voting conservative. Still have to read the NDP and the Liberal platforms though - should probably get on that, lol.
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    Sep 30, 2008 9:06 PM GMT
    you think we might have to sell Canada back to the Brits? icon_eek.gif
  • OptimusMatt

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    Sep 30, 2008 9:09 PM GMT
    Also, I feel required to point out that Canadian conservatives are a lot less hardcore than american conservatives (republicans).
    I didn't vote Conservative last time because of the 'free vote' Harper promised would happen wrt gay marriage. Thing is, he held the vote, it stayed pro gay marriage, and has since been put to rest. Literally, no more headlines, no more kuffufle, just...we can get married.
    I sincerely doubt Harper will bring it up again because it will only make him look like a weak lobbyist-loving douche, and would be akin to a political suicide attempt. So I can vote conservative...unless the NDP wows me. Cause I'm not voting liberal. They can go fuck themselves.
  • UncleverName

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    Sep 30, 2008 11:03 PM GMT
    Woh there!
    You're going to vote Conservative? I realize there must be good reasons to vote for them, but I sure haven't seen them yet. Every time I see Harper's face, I want to vomit. Their green plan was the stupidest thing I've ever heard of. It was obviously a ploy to stall for more time to do nothing.
    About the only thing I can think of that I agreed with them doing was the tax they added/clarified on the income trusts. And I don't think it mattered who was in power for that.

    Now I may vote Liberal this election, but not because they are any better. I may vote Liberal for two reasons:

    1) A Harper majority scares the shit out of me. I suspect he's not nearly as right wing as the American right wing because he didn't have a majority. If he could do whatever he wanted, I think we could kiss free speech good bye along with a number of human rights, eventually. He's already muzzled Environment Canada's scientists.
    2) The Liberal candidate in my riding has done a good job over the last number of years.

    I don't like the Liberal's as a party at all. And I think if they gave a crap about half of what they say they care about, they would have brought down the Conservatives much sooner. But.. the other candidates in my riding suck also.

    Oh, and Harper said that he wanted to reserve the first hour of the debate to focus on the economy. I'm assuming that's because of what's going on in the US, but maybe not.
  • Tiran

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    Oct 01, 2008 2:47 AM GMT
    I live in Alberta. It must be so nice to live in other parts of the country where you actually have democracies. I am going to hold my breath and vote liberal since my riding is one of the few in Alberta that might change, and the Liberal candidate is a good guy, unlike the conservative incumbent who is a douche. I used to be conservative, back when the P in PC meant something. On the plus side once the Liberals get their asses handed to them they can turf Dion back where he belongs as a policy wonk and maybe (dare I hope) bring in someone to clean up the mess and make the party something worth looking at again. Of course I also dream of the day that provinicial elections are actually a race.

    Oh and I beleive that Harper had nothing to do with the speech thing. I work for the government and half my job is writing speaking notes for officials. If he is lucky he sees a speech more than 24 hrs ahead and has time to personalize it abit. More often they do it on the fly on their way to the event. I even wrote one for the PM once. Of course it went through so many levels of approval I didn't recognize half of it but hey, I got a thank you he really liked it back from PMO.
  • Thirdbeach

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    Oct 01, 2008 2:56 AM GMT
    BioMatty said
    So I'm probably still voting conservative. Still have to read the NDP and the Liberal platforms though - should probably get on that, lol.


    Hey Bio:
    You realize that it's two weeks to election day, and the Conservatives have yet publish their platform.

    And the Conservatives wonder why the Liberals and NDP (that's New Democratic Party, for those reading outside of Canada) speak about Harper's "hidden agenda"


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    Oct 01, 2008 3:20 AM GMT
    tommysguns2000 saidyou think we might have to sell Canada back to the Brits? icon_eek.gif
    icon_evil.gif meanie
  • OptimusMatt

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    Oct 01, 2008 4:08 AM GMT
    WRT Thirdbeach:

    Oh I know I know. The thing is, my response to items in the news, and indeed my general social outlook has always been conservative to a certain extent. In the past I disagreed with the party, particularly at the provincial level, but the ideology behind Conservatism, what the modern party is based upon, is much more in line with my thought processes. I recognize this is a product of the varieties of privilege I have experienced in my life, and am willing to debate the finer points later. However, I like the way my life has played out thus far and therefore I'll vote in good conscience to hope to provide such privilege to those who aren't as fortunate. I think that a stronger majority government will help Canada become stronger in the future. I'm willing to take a gamble on them and see if it plays out - today I'm a conservative, but 3 years from now I could be a Liberal. Or Green. Or even...NDP.

    haha, j/k about the NDP. Though in order for me to even consider voting Liberal Dion has gotta go.

    ANYWAYS, what I'm saying is that at heart - I'm a conservative. So regardless of a published platform I'm willing to trust the party's judgement. *shrugs*

    WRT Tiran:

    I totally empathize with you - the Liberal candidate in my riding is going to win AGAIN - he's quite popular. However, see above, lol. Though Alberta's pretty prosperous - begs the question how much are you willing to give up to see it? Lol, are there ANY green candidates?

    WRT the original topic:

    I've been thinking more and more about this:

    Ontario's had a lot of job cuts this year - the manufacturing industries are pulling out and it's hurting our economy. It'll be interesting to see how our provincial Liberals will hold up. I don't really fault them for the job losses - sometimes its beyond our control. A sizable chunk of Ontario's economy stems from/to the States and is therefore affected by changes in the US market. I know this is true throughout Canada as well. The TSX is a prime example, but I don't think we can say with absolute certainty that it will or won't affect us to a significant extent. I think it'll definitely end up as a topic, but its far too late in the course of the election for the parties to come up with a "just in case" plan. I don't think it'll affect the election, really, in the slightest, however it most probably WILL be something the government is going to be flayed on in the months/years(?) to come. We'll see if we can keep ourselves afloat while the US tries to keep its head above the water, but me thinks a bucket for our 'boat' would be a safe and prudent investment...just in case.
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    Oct 01, 2008 4:57 AM GMT
    1) Canada is f-ing awesome eh?
    2) US markets effect our economy but not the electoral process
    3) Harper's recent plagiarism woes may effect his individual election
    4) Conservatives all the way, yeah!
    5) Gil, Jack, or Elizabeth...... keep up the campaigning, your the Cs biggest
    allies.
    6) Here's to finally a Conservative majority government.

    PS - Let's follow the american model of creating money from nothing, mortgage the Canadian Shield for some capital, leverage a buy out of our neighbours (correct way to spell it) to the south and rename it "Upper Mexico", both in homage to our Canadian history and what the states will soon become.. a cheap getaway for us canucks.
  • UncleverName

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    Oct 01, 2008 5:27 PM GMT
    I can`t believe what I`m reading. The US isn`t going to sit still and become ``upper mexico`` for us. The US basically owns and controls us already, so as if that`s going to happen. If you think I`m nuts, just review what happened with the softwood lumber crisis. Yes, they eventually paid us back a bunch of money. And yes, they managed to do it after our lumber industry was basically destroyed, which is what the real intention was all along. Similar to Harper`s green plan: delay things long enough that special interests get what they want, but it doesn`t look like it`s Harper`s fault.

    I`ll keep my eye on this thread so that I can spew off some other well thought out pieces of non clap trap later on too icon_smile.gif
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    Oct 02, 2008 4:48 AM GMT
    UncleverName saidI can`t believe what I`m reading. The US isn`t going to sit still and become ``upper mexico`` for us. The US basically owns and controls us already, so as if that`s going to happen. If you think I`m nuts, just review what happened with the softwood lumber crisis. Yes, they eventually paid us back a bunch of money. And yes, they managed to do it after our lumber industry was basically destroyed, which is what the real intention was all along. Similar to Harper`s green plan: delay things long enough that special interests get what they want, but it doesn`t look like it`s Harper`s fault.

    I`ll keep my eye on this thread so that I can spew off some other well thought out pieces of non clap trap later on too icon_smile.gif


    Believe it I wrote it! Unclevername for Governor General of Upper Mexico!!
  • Thirdbeach

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    Oct 02, 2008 4:58 AM GMT
    hardcanadian said
    Unclevername for Governor General of Upper Mexico!!


    Get Real Dude!

    It'll be called North Mexico

    Or maybe we should call it South Saskatchewan icon_biggrin.gif
  • UncleverName

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    Oct 02, 2008 5:16 AM GMT
    If I get to wander around, signing stuff, waving politely, and talking like I'm important (in my role as Governor General), then bring on Upper Mexico (or Mexico North, or South Saskatchewan)
  • Thirdbeach

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    Oct 02, 2008 5:42 AM GMT
    UncleverName saidIf I get to wander around, signing stuff, waving politely, and talking like I'm important (in my role as Governor General), then bring on Upper Mexico (or Mexico North, or South Saskatchewan)


    I get to be your Lieutenant Governor, for California, Az, Tx and some other places....
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    Oct 06, 2008 2:53 AM GMT
    Thirdbeach said
    hardcanadian said
    Unclevername for Governor General of Upper Mexico!!


    Get Real Dude!

    It'll be called North Mexico

    Or maybe we should call it South Saskatchewan icon_biggrin.gif


    I like, I really like South Saskatchewan. Where all the High School and College teams will be mandated to name themselves "The Roughriders".

    PS - do you think all of the american posters have retreated because they dont know what a "saskatchewan" is?
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    Oct 06, 2008 3:29 AM GMT
    The american posters have retreated because it is hard enough to feign interest in your reality, much less your fantasies....except for the goings-on in Dog River or living at Robson Arms ... icon_wink.gif
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    Oct 06, 2008 4:18 AM GMT
    tommysguns2000 saidyou think we might have to sell Canada back to the Brits? icon_eek.gif


    Too bad you didn't sell Alaska back to the Russians.
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    Oct 06, 2008 4:24 AM GMT
    Harper's problems aren't big enough to get him booted out of office, but he's also not likely to get his majority. Things in Canada are going pretty good these days and Stephane Dion's leadership abilities are in serious question. This will be a good election for the NDP and the Greens. They won't win, but they'll have breakthroughs. And Stephane Dion will either step down, be pushed out, or fail to pass a leadership review. If the Liberals want back in, they need a more charismatic person at the helm. Harper lacks charisma and Canadians don't trust him enough to give him massive support.
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    Oct 06, 2008 9:42 AM GMT
    In one word YES.

    The economic problems in the US actually helped the Harper Conservatives initially. The Liberal platform was mainly based on dealing with global warming (carbon tax for example) which gave Harper ammunition to attack them (this is not a good time for new taxes).

    Then Dion announced that if the Liberals were elected he would introduce within 30 days an emergency economic stimulus package, which Harper said was an example of Dion panicking and not having a plan.

    The surprise in this election has been the strength of the New Democratic Party (NDP). They are close to the Liberals in the polls. However, with the "first past the post" method they might end up a close second in many races and not get that many seats.

    It looks increasingly like a minority government which could be problematic for dealing effectively with a recession.
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    Oct 06, 2008 10:33 AM GMT
    Any gay Canadian thinking voting for Harper, please be aware that since he has had only minority government to date, you may not have seen his true colours yet. Watch out if he gets a majority, this guy is just another right wing freakicon_exclaim.gif